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What was your CPU temp?

Can you take a screen shot of XTU after 1 hour of play with XTU.

CPU Temp
GPU Temp
Thermal Throttling
Power Limit Throttling

 

For the interested.. I had my 980m bios modded at overclock.net to add 130MHz to the base clock.

NVidia Maxwell/Kepler BIOS editing thread. GTX 2XX to 9XX now supported. - Page 139

 

Going to do that later :
but after one hour of bf4 :

CPU Temp 69°-69°-70°-69° C
GPU Temp 61°C
Thermal Throttling no
Power Limit Throttling no (Vsync on)

 

Can you do it with vsync off please same exact test.

 

Are you playing inside the refrigerator? XD

Btw, are you maxing out your GPU? If yes, those temps are unbelievable. But it seems to me that your GPU isn't fully loaded while gaming.

What are your BF4 graphics settings? Max out the game so we can see how manages heat under 99% load for about 15 min.

 

It's because of vsync. He needs to turn that off.

Vsync forces only 60 FPS which is zero work for the 980M.

 

Exactly. I can run minesweeper and say my GPU didn't break 40! Extreme example I know, but if you want true max temps, well, you need to max the card by turning VB-sync off. The 980m for an extra $300 just isn't worth it to me. With the 970m OC you can reach 980m levels. Sure the 980m OC will destroy the 970m OC but on the 980m your OC is more limited due to the PSU and temps. (mid 70's stock on the 980m if I remember correctly; with fan on auto). Also, it would be better when posting temperatures to let us know the fan speed (auto vs full). Personally I'm interested when fan speed is on Auto as that's what it will be running at if gaming in a library.

 

The 980m will be more efficient per watt as disabling core units is not very efficient. The 980m should maintain its stock lead.

 

You simply can't reach 980m levels because the 970m is not just a clocked down version of the 980m. The 970m has less shaders and less bandwidth. Soo... Even if you clock it at 980m levels, it will always be behind in terms of performance.

 

Bluetooth still is working. Has stay activated since I replaced the original wireless card on Christmas Eve. Long may that continue! Looking increasingly likely that the problem has been fixed. Can't say for sure until a few more days though.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

But you can clock it to reach 980m performance, with a little voltage nudge.

I personally have no reason to run faster than stock 970m, but it's fun to do, and good to know if I do need another 20-30% performance boost for whatever reason down the road.

 

Is that full fan or auto?

 

looks like the new owners only post data with max fans and vsync switched on to bump the numbers and further justify their new purchase

why dont u guys just take a closer looks at HTWingnut´s reviews on these machines? the temp / clock data are all there

 

Auto entertainment mode.


Regarding my GPU usage it reaches peaks of 100% with Vsync ON in BF4, I play operation locker sometimes, (64 players it's absolutely full of explosions ^^). I ran the 3D mark fire extreme 4 times, began recording max temp after the first time : GPU 67°C the Vsync is...off. My gpu never reaches the 70°C mark, Vsync ON or OFF, let me remind you that Dragon age 3 never reaches 60 fps in ultra on my rig and the GPU is @100% nearly all the time..it's between 59° (30 minutes of gameplay) and 67°C (~2 hours and a half).

I just repasted with IC7, using the pea method

 

But we need BF4 1 hour on Ultra without vsync. That is the ultimate test.

 

Not a 100% sure but I think he caps and limits his FPS to 60FPS with nVidia Inspector... and I would do the same since the screen runs at 60Hz and In reality you are limited to 60FPS physically by the screen itself thanks to Optimus
Anyway I think that is the reason he has such great temps.. but I could be wrong like I am most of the time
Going beyond 60FPS I think you are more pron to screen tearing due to limitations of the screen itself.
It can easily do more but there really is no need to, maybe only for self gratification thinking more is always better while true but only to a certain point.

@GarbageMan why are you so hung up on BF4? Great game but there are so many more just as good.

 

Vsync switched ON, Max fan freakin OFF.

I don't CAP with Nvinspector i just use Vsync.



Furmark recording MAX temp after 4 minutes : it reaches 82°C (17 min test).

Why people refuse to see that a "normal" laptop can cool a 980M ? I mean if furmark reaches 82°C MAX, games will be like 10°C less (in a case where witcher 3 + ubersampling is activated ^^) . yep, we don't need a Laptop inspired by the B2 bomber (G750) or a bulky 4.2kg laptop to have good temps...Vsync on or off

 

True... But the bandwidth limitation will still be there.



Anyways I don't get all the fuss about 970m vs 980m. They're both great chips and both of them will make their customers happy. I got the 980m for max longevity, because I don't want to mess with high overclock and/or overvolt. This will be my main computer for working too, so I won't take any risk of damaging the laptop since I can't do anything without it.



Every cards fits to specific needs... If you don't feel the need for a 980m, don't get it. But don't try to prove that's a bad purchase for everyone just because it's not the right purchase for you.

Edit: Obviously is a general "you", I'm not talking with you HTWingNut

 

That is just the game I play. And when I play it maxes everything out on my machine so I guess I just like using it for benchmarking.

 

Just for laughs I managed my power meter to show the laptop drawing out 221W of power at one point, from a 180W PSU... My 230W Dell PA-19 is now totally justified.
(mind you, Furmark with max overclock and 8 thread Pi calculations).

 

Can I ask about the Sager Dual SLI?

Any particular reason no one here went that direction?

Here are my top choices thus far.

1. GS60 Ghost Pro
2. GT72 Dominator Pro 72
3. Sager NP8652
4. Sager -S Dual 980M

Can someone give me some insight on all of these models?

 

Regarding replacement PSU's... what's the diff between the PA-19 and the PA-9E?(besides the 10W in favor of the PA-9E).
Is the PA-9E newer perhaps?

 

You might add the GT80 titan if weight and cherry brown keyboard don't bother you .

I choosed the NP8652 because it's an equilibrum between performance and slim design. Nice throttle-free temps (even if some people refuse to believe me on that point), a sober, slim design.


The GS60 970M GTX edition is a beautiful laptop, pick the 6GB Video ram + IPS edition ! If you want a 980M = go with the np8652, for the reason i stated previously, for a 970M go with the GS60 pro, you're going to have a nice slim aluminum chassis.

 

Assuming you are measuring the power coming from the wall outlet you have to remember that the power supply watt rating is for its output to th computer, not its input from the wall. Different power supplies have different efficiency ratings, most are between 80-90%. I do not know the efficiency rating on the stock 180w power supply, and knowing that would be interesting. What it comes down to though is if it is a 80% efficiency with 220W from the wall it would be sending 180w to your computer and still be within its rating. In all likely hood under your extremely unrealistic scenario which you will likely NEVER have occur in actual usage, you probably went 2-5w above its rating, in actual regular it will almost certainly not go over 180w unless you hook up a lot of powered USB devices and/or heavily overclock it.

 

Very nice points.

Do you know if the GS60 throttles at all? Is that throttle free as well?

The 8652 is a very nice choice as well.

...

What I am looking at is ...

I could spend less like on a GS60 and get a great balance of power and portability. AND THEN spend the rest I would have spent on an INSANE laptop towards a gaming desktop which is the ultimate in Cooling and throttle free gaming.

Just so tough in deciding.

But I might just go with GS60 now because I think I just found out that the Ghost has "switch" as well. Meaning that o should get way more than 2.5 hours of battery life.

My last problem would be do I get the 066 or 064. I had problems with the 066 and raid. But I am thinking that could of just been a lemon laptop.

 

From what i heard Gs60 with 870M and/or 4870HQ (this processor is sold by reseller who sell the gs60 barebone but under their own brand like cyberpowerpc) throttle. But the 970M do not throttle once again, according to what is on the internet. speaking of the i7 i don't know but people don't seem to have problems with this laptop regading thermal management, look over the gs60 970M topic in the MSI sub category they will be way more helpful (or ask htwingnut who probably tested and reviewed the laptop)

 

Hey Cake, definetly post some pictures.. Also what was the power meter you got to measure the power usage? Thinking of getting one for myself too..

Ask XMG to change your order if they haven't built your laptop yet... Get the 4720HQ.. it's worth having that extra 100MHz especially if its free..

Sorry man, my 970M has 6GB vRAM so go suck some monkey balls.. I've also got a 1.5" chasis thickness so with my extreme CPU + IC Diamond your 980M will suck even more monkey balls when I OC and use my 240W PSU and own you

P.S: I don't hate 980M owners.. I could have got one but the £200 difference is really not worth it if OCed and made up in the future.. Anyways, next year I will upgrade.. Because I can

Just giving wickette some of his own medicine

 

I just received it so i cant exchange it. I'm going to give them a call.

 

Honestly, it's no big deal.. They probably won't accept it back without a restocking fee... Just open your Christmas present and enjoy it.. You won't die without the 100MHz

 

What are you trying to exchange?

 

Does anyone else see a problem with this image:


and I have 3 other game codes waiting online for me too.

Come on Sharp build those displays faster.

 

So I just ordered some Arctic MX-2 to do my 4th repaste hopefully with better temps this time.
There are no other better options around here, but from what I read around teh webz, MX-2 seems like a good choice, right?

 

Is it possible the 4720 could be the default choice for this laptop? Mine came with it, although I haven't ordered it with this cpu, and it wasn't even an option in the configurator..

 

What a killer graphic card you have, i'm so jealous.

 

You want to use ICD, Gelid GC Extreme... MX-2/MX-4 are junk in comparison.. If you can't get them, search on uk ebay and buy of there...

 

Hahaha same! I have a new G700s and Witcher 2 waiting for 980M as well

 

ok here you go : Space engineers: infinite width MAP (killer intensive on the system, you try) : 1H48 - NO VSYNC
FAN on AUTO, not max at all.


Just look at the average temp too, not just the MAX, i took the screenshot seconds after finished playing.

 

Absolutely Godly temperatures. So close to pulling the trigger on this. What did you use for the repaste?

 

IC7 to apply : pea method not line method

 

I am really amazed.

 

Tom's Hardware did an article about thermal pastes and there was a sort of benchmark done to several options, including the Gelid GC Extreme and the Arctic MX-2/MX-4. If you're interested in the subject, I highly suggest reading it from cover to cover.

The benchmark results and the author's conclusions are all interesting in my opinion.

Thermal Paste Comparison, Part Two: 39 Products Get Tested

 

Is this BF4? Are you flipping serious?

I love you and want to have your babies.
...

If this BF4 on Ultra maxed out with 4xmaa this is an INSTA PURCAHSE!

 

Dude, go for it. I think this is the one you're looking for.

Also, I found you a BF4 XTU graph which shows no throttling:

http://youtu.be/20b9Q_BAbCA?t=4m28s

 

two things id like to point out: CPU average TDP is 17W of the maximum reachable 47W, thus no surprise the CPU stays this cool it hardly being taxed at all

also, why does it state the max. GPU clock to be 600 Mhz? that doesnt make sense... not to mention that max. GPU usage is at 21%... *skeptical*

 

GPU you see at the top is igpu, you want to look at the bottom of the figure, dedicated GPU, hovering around 1000MHz

 

That's the max GPU clock of the Intel integrated GPU. Further down is the max GPU clock of the 980m, which is 1126 MHz with an average of 842 MHz

 

aaah, now that makes way more sense and max gpu load at 99%, much better

 

Not trolling or anything but it looks like

1. Your CPU is not being pushed to the limit: Only 39W max power? What clocks are u holding?
2. Your average GPU clock is low: Did you start recording this the minute you started playing or was it started a few minutes before?

 

Thanks so much but I can't see the graph.

I'm using Tapatalk. Am I missing a setting? I can see the other one posted.

 

Now all you guys have me worried.

I don't know what to do ...