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I haven't put in an order yet. Waiting to see the sagers. But I'm definitely opting to get the 980m so I hope it does come fairly soon.

 

Our XMG P505 (P651SE) will now be shipping with the 180W PSU (from 7th November) - other companies may follow so it could be worth asking your reseller/system integrator if they will be moving the 970M system from 150W to 180W PSU.

It should be relatively soon, we are expecting to be able to ship 980M version from the end of November so I expect other companies will be around the same time Again, don't want to put words in other peoples mouths so it's always best to check directly with the SI's or resellers in your area.

 

The Sager listing for the NP8651 (P650SE) are up with an ETA of Nov 7th.

 

nice, new M.2 SSD´s coming up that support our machine´s four PCIe lanes check it out:

EP1 Series

sequential read/write speeds and 4K random read even faster than the XP941

really hoping to see additional drives in the upcoming months that will potentially saturate the complete bandwidth and give us ~1.8 GB/s transfer speeds!

edit: actually, the (at some unknown point in the future) upcoming nextgen LSI controller will probably make these speeds happen (including 200K IOPS, dream come true baby )

http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-n...ller-codename-griffin-discovered-at-computex/

lets hope for the best

 

Does anyone with this model (or the Mythologic Dia 1614) know if it's easy to install your own SSD? I want to get the Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB. Will it fit into this laptop?

 

You remove the bottom cover and get access to the internals:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/Schenker/XMG_P505/hard1.jpg

 

Going back through the thread, but just wanted to make sure, there was no discussion about a possible 6gb/8gb variants of the GPU's correct?

I'm seriously on the wall between this and the p35X

Pros for p35x 8gb 980M variant
Cons 16gb Max

Pros for p651 32gb max
cons 4gb max gpu variant

Then there's still the 8258 which has max of both but older ( and no 1800p screen )... so you can kinda see my dilemna

Awesome any ETA on the 980M Variant? Also will you be offering 3k displays later?

 

cool thing about the battery being beneath the bottom cover: if ure like me and barely ever let the machine run on battery, u might as well just remove it, store it in a cool dry place and be happy about an even lighter but still totally stable (as in standing stably) laptop!

 

The 6/8GB variants are the MXM versions which these models no not use, so they wont be available.

No official word on the 980M, I have seen other posts which mention late Nov but thats not from any official source.

No word on 3K screens just the currently offer 1080 and 4K screens

 

Umm, no. Just accidentally pop out the power cord, power flickers off, or circuit breaker pops, you're SOL. The point of a light laptop is to transport it and usually use it on battery periodically, not to remove the battery and always have to plug in. And an extra 6oz won't make a whole lotta difference. But that's just my $0.02.

 

I'm with you on this one. The cord for my M4400 falls out if I look at it funny, there's no way I'd go battery-less unless I were at a desk plugged in to a UPS with the cord fitting really tightly into the system - in which case, I might as well get a desktop.

 

I don't think it would cause damage... I have always just pulled the plugs on PCs and have never once messed one up... Laptops with completely dead batteries I have done also and never had an issue...

 

I plan to use it as a laptop being on my lap while watching TV but will still have it plugged in so this makes since to me...vs desktop. But then again I think I can handle the extra battery weight

 

Inconvenience and risk of data loss especially if you're actually working on a project with multiple apps open. I just get bewildered by users that try to extend their battery life by 10% by removing a $60-80 battery while risking damage, data loss, or file corruption when desktop users spend hundreds on a UPS backup to keep their systems from doing just that. I'd just leave it in and let it go. You don't gain much by removing it.

 

In general, Li-Ion/Li-Poly batteries last the longest if they are cycled regularly, and not constantly running (or stored) fully charged. In fact, fully charged reduces lifespan (long story).

I.e., it's usually ideal to let your Li-Ion battery discharge down to 50% or even 30%, and then charge it back up again when you need it, like before travel.

E.g., when not gaming or needing the GPU constantly pegged, unplug that AC/DC adapter every now and then to discharge the battery during nominal use.

SIDE NOTE: Use the OS tools/profiles to provide necessary performance on battery.

Even when storing it long-term, don't fully charge and store it. Let it drop to 20-30% before removing it and storing it long-term. Just leave enough in it so the regulatory logic has enough to run.

Units today have excellent DC/DC regulation, let alone the battery does as well.

Even when you have a seemingly "dead" Li-Ion battery, it still has a charge, enough for the regulatory logic to function. Of course, when it doesn't have enough for that, it finally takes out the cells.

I.e., Li-Ions are designed for safety-first, longevity-second.

E.g., The regulatory will sever circuits to cells before it will let them undergo a transient that would result in combustion.

SIDE NOTE: Nickel melts under heat or on a polarity reversal, Lithium can combust.

For portables (at least for now), we use Li-Ion today because of the real-time current it can provide, almost right down to the last drip, plus it's also much lighter than heavier metals. NiCD provides good current, but has memory effects, let alone is heavier. NiMH doesn't have good current, is heavily influenced by charge (e.g., NiMH is notorious for current drops, so resulting voltage reduction, as it discharges).

Regulation logic inside of Li-Ion batteries helps tremendously. It also complicates a few matters (e.g., long-term storage). Li-Poly improves things over Li-Ion, at the cost of lifespan.

Also ... people wonder why we cannot have an 100% "safe" battery, and I state the obvious ... "what do you not understand about 'potential energy'"? Insert this argument for any on various stored energy technologies for automobiles -- Li-Ion batteries, Fuel cells/hydrogen, Compressed Natural Gas, etc... In fact, gasoline was chosen early on for a reason, especially against DC electric and steam, partially for reasons of safer energy storage. But even electric vehicles have battery disconnects and other things for a reason too.

SIDE NOTE: Whether it's energy or chemicals, it seems people missed their physics and chemistry classes. I.e., this just doesn't apply to batteries and cars, but everything. E.g., there is no such thing as a "green bullet" either. Virtually all heavy metals (the heavier, the more energy) have negative effects if they hit the water system (let can become an aerosol) -- e.g. tungsten-carbides have been getting a number of articles as of late.

 

Yep, all the more reason I went with the 25mm/970m model and 4K screen. Given I didn't order until last week, I figure I'll be in the queue and mine will be built out mid-November.

All the more reason why I'm waiting on more M.2-PCIex4 models to come out, and just got one (1) M.2 512GB Crucial m550 to start with.

Once they do, I'll hit MythLogic up on what they have tested, and see if I can just purchase from them. It's worth the few extra bucks to buy from the OEM, especially if there are any issues, or possibly any accessories (e.g., thermal) that are recommended.

The M.2 slots are directly accessible under the bottom cover. From what I read, the two (2) open M.2 slots must be 80mm (2280), and you'll need to use an adapter to fit any shorter ones (e.g., 40mm/2240 or 60mm/2260).

The 2.5" drives are also accessible, although I think it's a single 2.5" bay. In the 25mm (P65xSE) model, it's (1) 9.5mm or (2) 7mm high drives. In the 28mm (P65xSG) model, it's (1) 9.5mm or 7mm plus (1) 7mm (which makes sense +3mm chassis height).

 

unfortunately, i still cant verify if the SG model is actually 28 or 29 mm in height. i keep seeing differing info on that

 

Guys, I'm kind of late to this thread. Just two questions:

1. Is this a decent notebook for cooling so far? (970M model)

2. Are there any other Clevo/Sager thin gaming notebooks coming other than these 2?

Thanks!

Looks like it's up on XoticPC for preorder now.

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8651-clevo-p650se-eta-nov7-p-7690.html

 

1) do not worry about the cooling of the 970M, reviews underlined the great temperatures of the card under load (~75°C). It's the cpu that is more worrisome, only the 4870HQ have been reviewed, in games no throttle, but under stress test it can reach 94+ °C, i took the 4710HQ with a IC7 repaste it should not be worrying however
2)There are no other new slim clevo/sager other than those 2 (except the 17" versions) but you can check the gigabyte P35X V3 and the MSI gs60/70.

 

Respective Clevo sites are up, enjoy!

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added links to first post, also updated dimensions on 180W PSU

 

Thanks for all that as it is very informative (seriously). I understand where you're coming from but the reality and practicality of it is that users don't want to manage their battery to this extent to save an extra 10% battery life when they can just go and buy a replacement for $50. There was this debate on this forum numerous times and users chimed in with their batteries that were never removed and frequently plugged with only occasional discharges and they lost like 10% battery life over the course of 2-3 years. People just need to use it and forget about it and not obsess over it.

For the sake of information, yes it's nice to know, and thanks. But just so users don't have a "sky is falling" feeling about their battery, don't worry about it.

28.5mm give or take a half mm.

 

I saw 28mm listed for the SE on one vendor's site, so I went to the pictures to try to determine for sure... counting pixels and calculating proportions, it looks like the SE body is 25mm thick, but it has 3mm feet, meaning the top stands 28mm off the desk.

For the SG, you're probably right that the difference is more due to rounding, but I suspect it has the same 3mm feet, too.

 

I ordered it from Xotic yesterday, I will let you guys know once I receive it. I'm excited about this one, this will actually be my primary laptop.

 

Exotic has a good price for the 970m version. I wish the sager sites already had the 980m version up too tho so I can make my final decisions and get this thing preordered. I need to do so before the wife changes her mind and no longer let's me haha

 

I should clarify a post that I made on this thread and possibly another one regarding the vRAM on integrated vs MXM 9 series GPUs.

As far as Clevo is concerned, what I wrote was correct - the P650/P651 will have 3GB/4GB for 970M/980M respectively, it's only the MXM cards that will respectively have 6GB/8GB. This isn't necessarily the same for other ODMs, it's down to each one to decide the vRAM size. This is why we have seen for example the Gigabyte P35 v3 with a 6GB 970M.

So the lesson is, if you see a 970M with 6GB or a 980M with 8GB it doesn't necessarily mean that they are MXM form ;-)

 

Dang why the heck wouldn't they opted for the larger vram grrrr thanks for the clarification tho. I did read your earlier post and took it as only mxm were the larger vram.

 

I dont think this has been mentioned before but the Battery is not designed to be removed and will be internal.

You can probably remove it by taking the computer apart then disconnecting it. But it will not be the type you can slide in and out easily.

 

There's several reasons such as cost, manufacturing decisions/implimentation and so on.

The vRAM size has been discussed quite a lot, but the general reasoning is that benchmark and game performance isn't affected by having the lower vRAM GPU. If you are running multiple monitors or 4K panels for example (at the native resolution) in combination with demanding applications like games then this is where having the higher spec vRAM size can also come into play.

This is more opinion than fact, we haven't specifically tested MXM vs integrated 9 series GPUs against each other directly (yet), but you're likely to encounter performance limitations with the GPU performance in itself rather than be performance limited by the amount of vRAM your GPU has.

 

Correct Apart from removing 14 screws to take the d-cover/lower panel off the laptop the battery is also fixed with screws and a connector of course.

 

14!!!! screws...holy moly, i already knew it was a bit more tedious than with the previous P-series but wow, thats a lot

 

Looking at the pictures of the Eurocom M5 Pro, there's a SIM card slot wedged between the right side USB ports and the Card reader. Does anyone know if the comp comes with LTE connectivity? Eurocom doesn't have the SIM card (or option for LTE) specified anywhere.

according to the clevo website, it states LTE is a factory option.

 

yep, u can easily install either an LTE or 3G M.2 2230 modem into the third(?) M.2 port

dunno if those kinda adapters are available as aftermarket upgrades yet though

 

Are there going to be any US resellers who are going to sell the Clevo 651SE (non brushed)?

 

14 screws is nothing as long as I can access the CPU, GPU, RAM, SATA and m.2 drive bays easily.

 

Lol guess they really want to secure that piece seems a little excessive

Agree but with my budget I'll be removing it multiple times to upgrade over times...

 

Yes, if its just about a few more screws as long as the components can be accessed easily, I would say its still fine from a maintenance point of view.

 

Upgrading will be relegated to RAM, SSD, and wireless network card... But even once every six months, 14 screws is an extra minute.

 

Do you guys think 4gb 980m would be enough for a 3k screen with an occassional 2ndary display (non 4k) for gaming?

 

It does seem excessive - you'd think one or two screws on one edge, plus tabs on the other edges, should have been more than secure enough, My Dell, which is a similar size, has a single plate that comes off, secured by tabs and one captive screw.

Same here. First thing I'll be doing when I get it is pop it open, add RAM, HDD, and SSd, and repaste the CPU and GPU.

Speaking of getting it, I've cancelled my Mythlogic order, and I'll be getting it from either XoticPC or GenTechPC. Mythlogic seems like a VERY good company, and I wish I could support them, but they seem more tailored to people that want a system that's ready to go straight out of the box, rather than for someone like me who likes to be hands on in the guts of the system, and they do charge a premium for their services. I'll be getting more hardware and better warranties for less money, and doing more work myself - which, as I said already, I like doing.

 

and/or upgrading HDD(s)... cleaning out the fans... and maybe repasting every now and then... and who knows, maybe there will be keyboard replacement options and/or screen replacement options in the future - although those would require the removal of more than just the 14 screws on the bottom.

But no, 14 screws might be annoying in terms of time, but it's hardly enough to make me not buy the system.

 

Two of those screws technically secure the keyboard (still has to be unclipped), which you of course need to remove in order to gain access to the other two SODIMM slots. Not difficult though, just takes a bit longer!

 

Depends on the battery, the real-time current is can deliver, it's commonality, etc... Some of these gaming notebooks require batteries that can deliver a very high amount of real-time current.

Ummm ... I usually see a lot more than just 10% within 18 months if I leave it plugged in all-the-time. I usually lose the battery altogether.

 

Any info on the screen panel?

 

QFHD panel is the Sharp LQ156D1JX01B - see Clevo P651SE (Schenker XMG P505) Barebones Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews for more information and their thoughts.

FHD panel is the AUO B156HAN01.2 - B156HAN01.2 Datasheet download - Panelook.com

 

So can I take the 2x4GB and add another set of 2x4GB for quad channel, or do I need to get a complete set myself?

 

Eh? I hope you're not gaming on battery. That's a death wish.

Ummm ... I usually see a lot more than just 10% within 18 months if I leave it plugged in all-the-time. I usually lose the battery altogether.[/QUOTE]

I see 3-5% per years with maybe 15-20 full discharges per year, plugged in 100% otherwise. Not sure what kind of laptops you use, but that's really crappy. From my arsenal of notebooks: P150EM had 8% after 18 months, W230ST 5% after 12 months, W230SS 1.3% after 6 months, Vaio 11 Pro 0.6% after 9 months, Acer V5-122p 2.5% after 13 months, Clevo W110ER 12% after 30 months, Asus AMD notebook 8.5% after 24 months... I just don't see it.

There is no quad channel, only dual channel. Just 4 slots allows for 32GB maximum capacity, all running at dual channel.

 

I'm running 2560x1440 + 3840x2160 dual-display on an Intel 4000 series without any issues, non-gaming of course. So I'm fairly certain any nVidia discrete GPU with dedicated VRAM of 256MiB+ would have absolutely no issues, even with a typical, modern, compositing windowing manager.

The i7-4710MQ is dual-channel, up to two (2) DIMMs per channel, although more DIMMs per channel that will affect clock (at least to JEDEC specifications). I don't think I've ever seen quad-channel in a mobile consumer design, triple-channel at most. I could be mistaken though.

 

Did you actually read what I posted?

Oh, stupid me, of course not! I mean, you just quoted it as ...

Hence why you didn't actually read what I said, resulting in this follow-up post.

I made a recommendation based on dealing with lots of users with lots of notebooks, being virtually 100% travel for most of the past dozen years, along with an EE background. YMMV.

 

updated first post with the specific display models thx to schenker for the info

also provided links to the video review on the p650se (i think, but could also be the 651) by aftershockpc that were posted in the other thread. enjoy

 

Hi all

Is this a fair price for the Clevo P650SE with this configuration..? Or do u recommend a m.2 SSD for windows with 1 SSD or a m.2 SSD with a 7200rpm HDD.

CPU: i7 4710HQ
GPU:GTX 970M
SSD: 2x256GB
RAM: 16 GB Kingston HyperX DDR3L 2x8GB
Wireless: GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® N-135 802.11N
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€ 1520,- with DDR3 Ram, € 1490

For RAM, do i need DDR3L or DDR3..?