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    *** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by jaybee83, Oct 13, 2014.

  1. LunaP

    LunaP Dame Ningen

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    For work purposes I don't doubt it, I meant more for gaming though lol.

    Also while we're on the topic, anyone know if Clevo's finally got the fix on enduro or are we still stuck w/ the intel for external displays? Especially for this model?
     
  2. HTWingNut

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    Enduro is AMD. Optimus is Nvidia. The only fix is with a hardware mux to be able to switch between the two video cards manually for which one goes to the video ports. This likely is muxless and is wired directly to the Intel chip. But the Intel GPU can pass through 4K to a DisplayPort.
     
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    More screws would also result in a higher risk of breaking one during the maintenance. I broke 3 or 4 screws with my last 2 Clevo laptops so I'm pretty concerned with this one :(
     
  4. wickette

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    yes, we all know how new screws can be expensive ...
     
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    ldkv Notebook Consultant

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    lol it is not buying new one a problem. The real problem is that the broken screw being stucked there and cannot be removed. I know there is some workaround to take it out but it is really a pain in the a$$, especially in sensible positions like the ones on the GPU.
     
  6. JohnJacobs1

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    This might have been answered previously, but would it be possible to upgrade the embedded 4-cell battery to an 8-cell battery? Or rather, upgrade it in general? That's quite a con for me and probably others...
     
  7. Meaker@Sager

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    No the battery can't be upgraded.
     
  8. wickette

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    oh ok, but don't worry when you see that the screw is a little "weary" (the cross is beginning to look like a circle) just exchange the screw. I mean between the CPU high temps, the 4Gig vs 8 Gig, the price, the battery life etc, screws are really not something to worry about ;).
     
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  9. Kaozm

    Kaozm Notebook Evangelist

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    Just make som epoxy and glue the screwdriver to the screw, and hammer it off when you get it out, works every time ;)


    EDIT: haha, but just dont use to much or you will have a new look on your laptop, screwdriver stand, lols
     
  10. Support.1@XOTIC PC

    Support.1@XOTIC PC Company Representative

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    I read screwdriver and saw the TARDIS, expected your response to be to pull out the sonic screwdriver and zap it.
     
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    How do you break screws unless you're overtightening them. I've never broken a laptop screw. I only don't want to break or lose one because finding a right size replacement can actually be difficult.
     
  12. b.j.smith@ieee.org

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    Stripping the philips head of the screw or, worse yet, the threading of the hole, etc... is always a PITA when it happens. Learning to repair screw holes is always a recommended experience as well. To avoid those cases, always get a good match of philips screwdriver to head before turning, or immediately cease.

    Although I do have to say, I've never heard of breaking off screws ... cheap screws? Over-tightening? Also consider investing in a torque screwdriver and, equally important, quality bits, always measuring the torque required to release and never exceeding it when putting it back in. That will prevent a lot of issues in general, screw, thread, etc...

    My apologies as my writing technical manuals for field personnel over the years is showing, and this is one of my pet peeves. You'd be surprised of the excuses I'd hear over all sorts of damage to stuff that isn't exactly "commodity," and sometimes "one-off" or even "unique" (like multi-million dollar assemblies). A few hours in a technical class works wonders. But sometimes companies and the government is too cheap to even do that for techs, let alone sub-quality contractors.
     
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  13. Dabeer

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    Looks like I'll be ordering from LPC Digital (final decision, I hope), and ending up with 24GB DDR3-1600 in dual channel (after I put my own RAM in at home)! How I fit that into my budget, I don't know, but I'll take it!
     
  14. Kaozm

    Kaozm Notebook Evangelist

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    HAHAAH thank you, thats the fourth time or something i have wrote screwdriver and first time anyone has said anything!!




    :D
     
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    4K screen is now using the Sharp IGZO. This should look really really nice :)
     
  16. b.j.smith@ieee.org

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    Okay ... now the final question ... notebook pad/stand, w/optional, added cooling.
    My "requirements," in order of most to least ...

    - Notebook will not slip off (a biggie)
    - Base itself does not slip either
    - Easier for typing and viewing
    - Raises the bottom to allow fans to work (should be inherent)
    - Fans to increase airflow over notebook's own (optional)

    I know cooling pads don't do that much for today's gaming notebooks and their own cooling, but raising them to allow those fans to cool is ideal. I also like the slight angle for typing and viewing.

    But the biggie for me is that it cannot slip. I'd like a stable base, and it can be heavy, even oversized (for 17"), don't need it to be light. Both the base itself and the notebook on the base, should not have any slippage.

    I read through the P15x thread and saw a few mentioned, but reviews for those had people complaining about slippage. Anyone else found a good one they use with their 15.6" notebooks? Thanx in advance.
     
  17. nexifidus

    nexifidus Newbie

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    Sorry If i'm way out of place, but I really didn't know where else to ask.

    I've been following the Clevo P651SE for a while, but I found that it had terrible battery life on the 4 cell battery (60W) (2.33 hours on wifi). I also saw that a norweigen site had it with an 8 cell battery at around (75W), and was wondering if any US retailers sell this configuration? I literally was about to hit buy last week until I started looking at the reviews, and the battery life just scares me for ever thinking about using this as a "mobile platform."

    On another, note, what are the real competitors to this laptop? I can only think of the gs60 and the Gigabyte p35w/x v3.
     
  18. mythlogic

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    We don't know where they got this magic 8-cell battery. Every spec sheet, model description, and their own site state that there is only the 4-cell 60WH battery.
     
  19. Kaozm

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    Yes people are saying it will not come with 8 cell after all, but i believe they would have changed that by now if not! They also got the only pictures of the p670 i have seen.. so guess they got their info from clevo..!? maybe you can order diferent configurations,because you could easy fit a 8 cell inside it.

    https://translate.google.no/translate?hl=no&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.multicom.no%2FKunshan-P651S-15e6-Full-HD-Matte-Intel-Core-i7-4710HQe-8GBe-1TB-7200rpme-GeForce-GTX-970M-3GBe-Uten-operativsysteme-25mm-tynn-Multicom%2Fcat-p%2Fc1000042%2Fp10630074

    Living in hope!

    P670

    https://translate.google.no/translate?hl=no&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.multicom.no%2FKunshan-P670S-17e3-Full-HD-Matte-Intel-Core-i7-4710HQe-8GBe-1TB-7200rpme-GeForce-GTX-970M-3GBe-Uten-operativsystem-Multicom%2Fcat-p%2Fc1000042%2Fp10630083

    Maybe specsheet are wrong and it is 2x 4cell brick?...
     
  20. mythlogic

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    That wouldn't be quite right either, as the P650 and the P670 are essentially the "same thing" in terms of internals, same GPU's same CPU's, only difference is a little storage, and LCD size. So according to their spec it has a 8 cell battery and gets worse battery life compared to the P650.. Ok a little worse due to screen size sure, but you don't go ~20WH of battery life and go DOWN in runtime, no matter how "more power" the 17" takes, thats crazy. So guess its wrong.
     
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  21. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I agree, 17 inch screens do consume a fair bit more power but not THAT much.
     
  22. Ningyo

    Ningyo Notebook Evangelist

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    BTW Mythlogic noticed on your site the
    Dia 1614 dates haven't changed where most other places have moved them back 1-2 weeks, are you still on schedule or did you get your dates pushed back too?
    p650se 970M PreOrdered: End of Oct
    p650sg 980M PreOrdered: Mid-ish November
     
  23. Kaozm

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    Well, i sent them a mail now to resolve this problem. Hope for an answer to this. Would be funny tho, if this small shop in norway had it right, and everyone else got it wrong :D
     
  24. Meaker@Sager

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    Well it's the end of October now :)
     
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  25. Ningyo

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    They have a few hours left, maybe they are having witches and zombies deliver them tonight.

    Yeah that is kind of why I was asking though, I suspect they will be a few days ahead since they go straight from Clevo not through Sager, but 1-2 weeks seems unlikely.
     
  26. Meaker@Sager

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    Everyone has to perform the same testing to be able to responsibly ship, no matter what company you are.
     
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  27. Ningyo

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    True but there is no guarantee the shipping time from Clevo to Mythlogic, and Sager were the same. Also Sager then has to ship to others like Xoticpc or PowerNotebooks, or Gentech. Who do there own work and testing, then ship it out. Differences in shipping especially international could make for a few days difference on there own.
     
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    Sager run through machine tests at their manufacturing so unless we need to do in house work on it we direct it straight to you, you just get our support and service if you need it :)
     
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    Anyone think having the function key on the left and a half sized ctrl key could be a problem? I use left ctrl quite a bit in games as crouch.

    [​IMG]
     
  30. tfast500

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    I think it will be fine. I normally assign my mouse side buttons for crouch and prone position
     
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    I would remap the windows key for it, its a more convenient location and also prevents you from bumping the windows key and having it kick you out of the game. Lots of other options too, sure it might take you a few days to get used to using a different key, but in the long run not a big deal.
     
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    Is the P650SG already available for America, and does anyone know how much it will be with a 4K Screen? I've been looking at the MSI GS60, but I would prefer a 980M, and there are some aspects that are not ideal with this one.
     
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    It isn't actually available yet, it just can be preordered from Mythlogic.

    Minimum for that will be about $1900, unless you remove windows OS or such, then you might be able to hit as low as $1750 though you will have to add in costs like buying your OS and HDD etc...

    Realistically though you probably want an SSD and maybe some other things though so probably be a bit more.
     
  34. Retron

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    Manuals and specs here:

    Index of /support/resources/P650SE_P650SG

    Now, a question - my reseller is using the Samsung panel for its 4K model. That's the notorious one from the Lenovo Y50, the one that can't display yellows properly and which only runs at 48Hz. I asked my reseller if the yellow issue and 48Hz limit would apply to their P650SG, but they couldn't answer definitively. The final answer from Lenovo regarding the panel is:

    "The 48hz setting for the LCD panel is as the system was designed. This value was chosen to balance performance / reliability of the overall system. Changing the value will introduce some other undesirable effects on the overall system, and so the position is that this is working as designed and a change to this value (as provided by Lenovo) is not possible."

    So, given these specs from the panel documentation which was meant only for Clevo to see, not us - is it safe to assume that 48Hz *is* the limit? It mentions a 60Hz mode, but the bandwidth calculations seem to imply it runs at 48Hz only...

    clevo.jpg
     
  35. wickette

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    ask your reseller to install you a sharp IGZO because mainly all other resellers are doing so. I guess that the samsung panel is less expensive then a sharp IGZO....
     
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    Unfortunately they don't offer that option - and having done more research it seems the yellow issue is something which will be very hard to overcome, in that the RGBW matrix used in the display means it's impossible to get the same colour definition as you do in a traditional RGB display.

    I'm going to see if I can cancel the order - a pity, as the laptop is bang-up-to-date, but I really don't want to end up with a screen I'll regret for the next few years!
     
  37. wickette

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    worst case scenario, you change yourself the screen whenever you want, after buying it from ebay or other specialised resellers. Since i want an IPS FHD glossy i bought the best one according to panelook for 82 Euros (shipping included) last month. But beware, some resellers aren't really cool and sell screens as COMPATIBLE with Sharp IGZO XXXXXXX (the compatible is written on the end of the page with an asterisk usually ^^) ... make sure you order the right one not just a cheap alternative.
     
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    Are u still going to try it in the NP8268?
     
  39. wickette

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    No it failed I tried on the GT60 (same type of panel of NP8268), it doesn't fit at all it's too slim, and the bezel around the slim panel are uneven on each side so the display will be shifted a bit ! Add to that that the mounting screws are on the front regarding slim panels, whereas on the sager np8268 it's side mounting screws.
     
  40. tfast500

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    Bummer. Well this model is definitely the one then!
     
  41. Dabeer

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    Reading through the manual:

    Am I reading this right? If you want LTE, you have to give up an SSD slot?

    Edit: Looking back at the pics of the internals, it definitely is the case that the SATA-only M.2 slot does double-duty as the 3042 3G slot, meaning there's no opportunity for RAID-0 M.2 plus 4G. I guess that means if you're going to want 4G, and you care about max performance, go PCIe x4 for your M.2 SSD.
     
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    Yes you have either a second ssd slot or integrated lte as the slots are different electrically.
     
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    But the mounting is only installed for the full size ssd.
     
  45. Dabeer

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    True, which implies to me that notebookcheck's review was incorrect, and that the mounts can be moved to support 2260 or 2240 cards, not just 2280.

    I have a hard time imagining the manufacturer getting their own product manual wrong...

    Maybe the shorter cards work but require their own standoff?

    (Not trying to argue, just trying to make sense of all the available info)
     
  46. Cakefish

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    That's exciting: PCSPECIALIST - Defiance 15, Gaming Defiance 15, Build Your Own Defiance 15, Buy Defiance 15

    PC Specialist did have an ETA of 10th November but now there is no ETA listed on their site. I guess that means they managed to get hold of stock earlier than expected and these things are actually available now?

    I'd be interested to see the feedback from these. In the end I chose the Gigabyte P35X, but it doesn't mean my interest in this Clevo model evaporated.

    EDIT: 970M is in stock, but messing around with the configurator reveals that the 980M has an ETA of: 25-11-2014.
     
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    Ok, I've been reading up more on this, and so far this is what I've found:

    M.2 Key -> device type
    A -> WLAN/Bluetooth
    B -> 3G/CDMA/LTE/GPS
    E -> WLAN/Bluetooth
    M -> PCIe
    B+M -> SATA

    Obviously we don't know whether the M.2 mounts can be moved, but we do know that the P650's first M.2 slot appears to be keyed for A (can accept WLAN/Bluetooth) and fits up to 2230, the second M.2 slot is keyed for M (can accept PCIe or SATA) and fits up to 2280, and the third M.2 slot is keyed for B and appears to fit up to 3042 and does fit up to 2280 (should be able to accept 3G/CDMA/LTE/GPS, can accept SATA).

    As for my previous comment about the manual being correct - I now have doubts, because the manual talks about a BIOS configuration for mSATA/3G Slot Support, but there is no mSATA slot. Unless maybe this refers to switching that third M.2 slot from SATA to 3G?

    The manual does appear to confirm that if you have a PCIe SSD in the second slot, you cannot also use a SATA SSD in the third slot.
     
  48. jaybee83

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    hm i was afraid of that...kinda sucks, i dont see a reason for not being able to use an m.2 sata ssd together with an m.2 pcie ssd...
     
  49. Dabeer

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    As far as I can tell, it has to do with the number of lanes used by each protocol and the number of lanes available. We know there's at least 4 lanes available, or PCIe x4 wouldn't be possible, but if SATA uses 2 lanes and PCIe x2 uses only two lanes, you'd think you'd still be able to use a PCIe x2 in the second slot and a SATA in the third slot, so maybe it's something else preventing it.
     
  50. wickette

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    Stock for 970M and 980M 8GDDR5 comes 10 days earlier, so logically we can expect an ETA of 15-11 for the 980M :thumbsup: OMAGAD i'm so happy...i had to deal with a crappy 720M for too long now...(two months...)
     
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