For work purposes I don't doubt it, I meant more for gaming though lol.
Also while we're on the topic, anyone know if Clevo's finally got the fix on enduro or are we still stuck w/ the intel for external displays? Especially for this model?
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This might have been answered previously, but would it be possible to upgrade the embedded 4-cell battery to an 8-cell battery? Or rather, upgrade it in general? That's quite a con for me and probably others...
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No the battery can't be upgraded.
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oh ok, but don't worry when you see that the screw is a little "weary" (the cross is beginning to look like a circle) just exchange the screw. I mean between the CPU high temps, the 4Gig vs 8 Gig, the price, the battery life etc, screws are really not something to worry about .
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Just make som epoxy and glue the screwdriver to the screw, and hammer it off when you get it out, works every time
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Although I do have to say, I've never heard of breaking off screws ... cheap screws? Over-tightening? Also consider investing in a torque screwdriver and, equally important, quality bits, always measuring the torque required to release and never exceeding it when putting it back in. That will prevent a lot of issues in general, screw, thread, etc...
My apologies as my writing technical manuals for field personnel over the years is showing, and this is one of my pet peeves. You'd be surprised of the excuses I'd hear over all sorts of damage to stuff that isn't exactly "commodity," and sometimes "one-off" or even "unique" (like multi-million dollar assemblies). A few hours in a technical class works wonders. But sometimes companies and the government is too cheap to even do that for techs, let alone sub-quality contractors. -
Looks like I'll be ordering from LPC Digital (final decision, I hope), and ending up with 24GB DDR3-1600 in dual channel (after I put my own RAM in at home)! How I fit that into my budget, I don't know, but I'll take it!
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4K screen is now using the Sharp IGZO. This should look really really nice
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Okay ... now the final question ... notebook pad/stand, w/optional, added cooling.
My "requirements," in order of most to least ...
- Notebook will not slip off (a biggie)
- Base itself does not slip either
- Easier for typing and viewing
- Raises the bottom to allow fans to work (should be inherent)
- Fans to increase airflow over notebook's own (optional)
I know cooling pads don't do that much for today's gaming notebooks and their own cooling, but raising them to allow those fans to cool is ideal. I also like the slight angle for typing and viewing.
But the biggie for me is that it cannot slip. I'd like a stable base, and it can be heavy, even oversized (for 17"), don't need it to be light. Both the base itself and the notebook on the base, should not have any slippage.
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Sorry If i'm way out of place, but I really didn't know where else to ask.
I've been following the Clevo P651SE for a while, but I found that it had terrible battery life on the 4 cell battery (60W) (2.33 hours on wifi). I also saw that a norweigen site had it with an 8 cell battery at around (75W), and was wondering if any US retailers sell this configuration? I literally was about to hit buy last week until I started looking at the reviews, and the battery life just scares me for ever thinking about using this as a "mobile platform."
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We don't know where they got this magic 8-cell battery. Every spec sheet, model description, and their own site state that there is only the 4-cell 60WH battery.
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Yes people are saying it will not come with 8 cell after all, but i believe they would have changed that by now if not! They also got the only pictures of the p670 i have seen.. so guess they got their info from clevo..!? maybe you can order diferent configurations,because you could easy fit a 8 cell inside it.
https://translate.google.no/translate?hl=no&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.multicom.no%2FKunshan-P651S-15e6-Full-HD-Matte-Intel-Core-i7-4710HQe-8GBe-1TB-7200rpme-GeForce-GTX-970M-3GBe-Uten-operativsysteme-25mm-tynn-Multicom%2Fcat-p%2Fc1000042%2Fp10630074
Living in hope!
P670
https://translate.google.no/translate?hl=no&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.multicom.no%2FKunshan-P670S-17e3-Full-HD-Matte-Intel-Core-i7-4710HQe-8GBe-1TB-7200rpme-GeForce-GTX-970M-3GBe-Uten-operativsystem-Multicom%2Fcat-p%2Fc1000042%2Fp10630083
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That wouldn't be quite right either, as the P650 and the P670 are essentially the "same thing" in terms of internals, same GPU's same CPU's, only difference is a little storage, and LCD size. So according to their spec it has a 8 cell battery and gets worse battery life compared to the P650.. Ok a little worse due to screen size sure, but you don't go ~20WH of battery life and go DOWN in runtime, no matter how "more power" the 17" takes, thats crazy. So guess its wrong.
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I agree, 17 inch screens do consume a fair bit more power but not THAT much.
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BTW Mythlogic noticed on your site the
Dia 1614 dates haven't changed where most other places have moved them back 1-2 weeks, are you still on schedule or did you get your dates pushed back too?
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Well, i sent them a mail now to resolve this problem. Hope for an answer to this. Would be funny tho, if this small shop in norway had it right, and everyone else got it wrong
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Everyone has to perform the same testing to be able to responsibly ship, no matter what company you are.
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Sager run through machine tests at their manufacturing so unless we need to do in house work on it we direct it straight to you, you just get our support and service if you need it
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Anyone think having the function key on the left and a half sized ctrl key could be a problem? I use left ctrl quite a bit in games as crouch.
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Is the P650SG already available for America, and does anyone know how much it will be with a 4K Screen? I've been looking at the MSI GS60, but I would prefer a 980M, and there are some aspects that are not ideal with this one.
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Minimum for that will be about $1900, unless you remove windows OS or such, then you might be able to hit as low as $1750 though you will have to add in costs like buying your OS and HDD etc...
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Manuals and specs here:
Index of /support/resources/P650SE_P650SG
Now, a question - my reseller is using the Samsung panel for its 4K model. That's the notorious one from the Lenovo Y50, the one that can't display yellows properly and which only runs at 48Hz. I asked my reseller if the yellow issue and 48Hz limit would apply to their P650SG, but they couldn't answer definitively. The final answer from Lenovo regarding the panel is:
"The 48hz setting for the LCD panel is as the system was designed. This value was chosen to balance performance / reliability of the overall system. Changing the value will introduce some other undesirable effects on the overall system, and so the position is that this is working as designed and a change to this value (as provided by Lenovo) is not possible."
So, given these specs from the panel documentation which was meant only for Clevo to see, not us - is it safe to assume that 48Hz *is* the limit? It mentions a 60Hz mode, but the bandwidth calculations seem to imply it runs at 48Hz only...
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ask your reseller to install you a sharp IGZO because mainly all other resellers are doing so. I guess that the samsung panel is less expensive then a sharp IGZO....
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worst case scenario, you change yourself the screen whenever you want, after buying it from ebay or other specialised resellers. Since i want an IPS FHD glossy i bought the best one according to panelook for 82 Euros (shipping included) last month. But beware, some resellers aren't really cool and sell screens as COMPATIBLE with Sharp IGZO XXXXXXX (the compatible is written on the end of the page with an asterisk usually ^^) ... make sure you order the right one not just a cheap alternative.
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No it failed I tried on the GT60 (same type of panel of NP8268), it doesn't fit at all it's too slim, and the bezel around the slim panel are uneven on each side so the display will be shifted a bit ! Add to that that the mounting screws are on the front regarding slim panels, whereas on the sager np8268 it's side mounting screws.
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Reading through the manual:
Edit: Looking back at the pics of the internals, it definitely is the case that the SATA-only M.2 slot does double-duty as the 3042 3G slot, meaning there's no opportunity for RAID-0 M.2 plus 4G. I guess that means if you're going to want 4G, and you care about max performance, go PCIe x4 for your M.2 SSD. -
Meaker@Sager Company Representative
Yes you have either a second ssd slot or integrated lte as the slots are different electrically.
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http://forum.notebookreview.com/att...116561d1413192924-first-look-p650se-hard1.jpg
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But the mounting is only installed for the full size ssd.
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That's exciting: PCSPECIALIST - Defiance 15, Gaming Defiance 15, Build Your Own Defiance 15, Buy Defiance 15
PC Specialist did have an ETA of 10th November but now there is no ETA listed on their site. I guess that means they managed to get hold of stock earlier than expected and these things are actually available now?
I'd be interested to see the feedback from these. In the end I chose the Gigabyte P35X, but it doesn't mean my interest in this Clevo model evaporated.
EDIT: 970M is in stock, but messing around with the configurator reveals that the 980M has an ETA of: 25-11-2014.tfast500 likes this. -
M.2 Key -> device type
A -> WLAN/Bluetooth
B -> 3G/CDMA/LTE/GPS
E -> WLAN/Bluetooth
M -> PCIe
B+M -> SATA
Obviously we don't know whether the M.2 mounts can be moved, but we do know that the P650's first M.2 slot appears to be keyed for A (can accept WLAN/Bluetooth) and fits up to 2230, the second M.2 slot is keyed for M (can accept PCIe or SATA) and fits up to 2280, and the third M.2 slot is keyed for B and appears to fit up to 3042 and does fit up to 2280 (should be able to accept 3G/CDMA/LTE/GPS, can accept SATA).
As for my previous comment about the manual being correct - I now have doubts, because the manual talks about a BIOS configuration for mSATA/3G Slot Support, but there is no mSATA slot. Unless maybe this refers to switching that third M.2 slot from SATA to 3G?
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hm i was afraid of that...kinda sucks, i dont see a reason for not being able to use an m.2 sata ssd together with an m.2 pcie ssd...
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Stock for 970M and 980M 8GDDR5 comes 10 days earlier, so logically we can expect an ETA of 15-11 for the 980M :thumbsup: OMAGAD i'm so happy...i had to deal with a crappy 720M for too long now...(two months...)
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