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I just want to purchase my laptop already the wait is killing me... Now even the SE is backordered on sagers site

 

Just found the wire that seems to fit correctly the power supply.

Do I have to be worried about anything? Any kind of special of specs?

 

Get it from XoticPC/LPC Digital etc and not directly from Sager.. You will have no CS effectively from Sager... Bad idea to buy directly from them...

 

Good news everyone

Schenker XMG P505 Pro arrived today. Pics are not very good quality because it's night at the moment, I have relatively poor lighting and my phone is regrettably my only camera.

xmg p505 pro (clevo p651se) - Imgur

The IPS screen is fantastic. I ordered the Crucial M550 256gb but I noticed what I actually received was a Micron M600 256gb. A google search tells me this is the latest product, so I am surprised and I guess happy to receive this update.

 

Crucial M550 is consumer SSD, M600 is OEM only. Performance is almost equal. Read the Anandtech review of you need more info.

 

Completely amazed with its build quality. Lets install my first software...

 

What about power cable?

 

Any reasonable kettle plug lead is fine 5A fuse (in the UK) is the usual fuse level too.

 

I'm using an old one from another CPU.

It fits and runs great.

 

Today I received the XMG P505 I ordered and so far I am very pleased with it. I used to connect my old P501 to my Syncmaster 2233 (it has a DVI-D output) and could correctly use it it at 1680*1050@120hz.
At the moment I don't have any DVI-D to DP to MPD or DVI-D to MPD cables and I was wondering if someone managed to successfully use the P505 on a 120hz monitor since according to XMG's specifications the two mini displayports can only provide video signals up to 60hz.
Any suggestions regarding this would be much appreciated since I wouldn't know what kind of adapter to buy (DVI-D to DP to MPD or DVI-D to MPD) in order to keep using a 120hz signal.

 

Man I like what XMG does to the P650SE with the blacked out rear panel, it looks so stealth.

 

Also, XMG has some pics up of the 17" P750SG which has no fingerprint reader on the trackpad buttons.

XMG P705 PRO GAMING NOTEBOOK

 

Actually it's black in that area because it's based off the P651SE, not the P650SE

 

Guys, I was wondering if the battery should be upgradable ? We see it in this video but I do not know
http://youtu.be/XD0BXNsMHYA
I am very excited about this laptop but battery life is a bit worrying me.

 

Way better overall build quality than the MSI GE60 Apache Pro one's.

The touchpad and keyboard feelings are definitely better.

Both of them had extremely weird behaviour in the MSI offering poor typing and pointing experience, so please no more "Steelseries" weak MSI keyboards here.

 

I know I do not plan to buy from sager however they are the system builders so if they are on backorder everywhere else will be too

 

Well after reading 172 pages.......

Looks good

 

It's removable, but underneath the bottom panel. I doubt that there will be any alternate higher capacity batteries if that's what you're wondering. What's worrying you about Battery life? It's about 4 hours usable.

 

The device end (AC/DC) these days is usually universal 100-240VAC at 50-60Hz input.

In your picture ...
- You have an C14 (male) device which requires an C13 (female) cable
- But your cable is C5 (female) which is designed for a C6 (male) device

Understand C13/C14 is fairly universal for all devices, especially PC power supplies with internal AC/DC.
But C5/C6 ("Mickey Mouse") is more common for grounded, external AC/DC power supplies common to notebooks.

There is also C7/C8 (literally like an "8") which doesn't have a separate ground, and is -- by default -- polarity agnostic.
A common, non-standard C7/C8 is one plug with a "D" instead of a circle to force polarity.

I've never been to Spain, but given it's a C13 with ground, it cannot just be Type C.
So it's likely a French Type E or German Type F, and there are usually universal ends that work with both as their grounds are not conflicting.

So you most likely need a C13 cable with a Type E/F plug.
- https://www.google.com/search?q=C13+Type+E/F&tbm=isch&tbo=u

 

Aftershock in Singapore offers the sanded finish laptops (I've seen them in person, and wow is the laptop beautiful - kicks my W230SS' ) and what's more, they offer all four screen types - 1080p default, 1080p with a really wide viewing angle, 2880x1620 (matte/glossy option), and 3840x2160. GPU can be upped to GTX 980M 4GB. Pricing here. The prices are in Singapore dollars and it's really worth it. Alienwares of similar configurations are several hundred dollars more expensive.

 

Those may be the technical terms, but nobody calls them that colloquially.

Tiner, you need what's known in the UK as a "kettle lead", or an IEC lead with a European plug. They're cheap from Amazon:

1.8m European Mains Lead to IEC (Kettle) Cable Black for PC Monitors Printers: Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories

They're the same sort of lead you'll be given if you buy a printer, a monitor, a desktop PC etc.

The only thing to be careful with is the fuse rating. You'll probably want one with a 3-amp fuse.

 

So, why the one it came witht the lap has 16A?



The one I have now has 10A, is it enough? Or I need the 3A one because of some reason?

 

they just give the 60hz at maximum resolution (4K) but also mention that higher refresh rates are possible when using lower resolutions, so it should still work

 

Having looked it up, the European plug doesn't come with a fuse - so any of them should be fine.

In the UK our plugs have fuses (one of the reasons why they're so chunky) and they come in different ratings - 3A is generally used for computers, 13A for kettles, electric heaters etc.

 

Anyone who bought from Mysn in UK with full HD screen? I understood they provide this screen: AUO B156HAN01.2 - anyone who had this panel and who could share their opinion? I'm planning to use it for some photo processing, gaming (I gather is response time is a bit long - 25ms?), movies.

 

Thanks for you reply. I guess I'll try to get an active DVI (DL) to mini displayport adapter like the apple one or this one since I have gathered a 120hz signal is very hard to achieve with passive ones.

 

So you could still hook it up with a 3d monitor?

 

Here in Brazil there are 3 clevo resellers:

- Avell
- Microway
- Powernote

The third is the one with the best overall prices. I am considering buying there because of the little price difference with European resellers (euro/real quotation is very, very high for now).
And you will have the benefits of an internal warranty.

 

Hi everyone just wanted to introduce myself, I ordered a NP8651 from XoticPC yesterday! Can't wait for it to get here. This will be a nice upgrade from my 8 year old dell inspiron

Add ons were:
IPS display
16 GB of ram
IC Diamond
Windows 8

Excited is and understatement!!

 

Going to be installing the new screen later today. Wish me luck on not damaging it and no dead pixels :x

 

IC DIamond will be a bad idea, cause there is no heat-spreader in that cpu, so that means that you put your diamond crystals direkt on the cpu-core, you will scratch it,
and you can throw that new laptop into the dust-bin

 

Thank god there are still sane people in the world. I never understood why the hell people would blindly put ic diamond on their laptops without checking if it'll damage their die or not.

 

This is the reason I have never used it, but it's mainly cosmetic from what I understand

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Never used it for my laptops, only used it for my desktop CPU.. I know it works

If it is just cosmetic, why we even use cooling paste..?

I think there is a cheap and a Premium cooling paste (good and a better one).

Verstuurd vanaf mijn HTC One met Tapatalk

 

Ok, finally got a chance to play with the system for a while. Not ready to take pics of the screen yet, but it is really sensitive to vertical angle. If I set up with the screen roughly perpendicular to my line of sight, there's already color inversions in the upper corners. I have to tilt it forward so I'm almost looking downward at the screen to get a clear picture. It's a bit more forgiving side-to-side, but still you can see the colors begin to shift after only a small angle, and at a more severe angle the shifts are really bad.

Also, CPU-Z doesn't seem to recognize the 970m - it reports the Intel GPU as having 3GB (3072 MBytes) of RAM but doesn't report any of the clocks, and the only other option is "Graphics Device" which it reports as having 2112 MBytes VRAM, 405MHz core clock, and 324 MHz Memory clock.

The final issue, so far, is that the NVidia Apollo 11 Demo won't run - apparently it doesn't recognize the 970M as a Maxwell card!

Sticking with WIn 8.1 Pro for now. I'm using Start8 for now, decided it looked a little bit better than Classic Shell in a few different reviews, and since it's on sale for $4 instead of $5, why not.

Still, it's a pretty quick machine, I have a few gripes with the build quality but running a few older games at max settings the fans barely turn on, and it hardly even feels like the system's been running, temp-wise. I'm looking forward to getting some newer games and cranking them up.

Screen replacement will happen later today, after I get Crysis installed and get some pics of the TN screen.

 

You're not the first one to report that issue with the 970m, I wonder what's happening...

And could you please elaborate a bit on your problems with the build quality please?

 

So, as you may remember, my first shipment was damaged. I asked (or rather, LPC Digital asked for me) for a complete replacement. The factory swears that the second system I received is a complete replacement, and although the bottom panel is 100% certainly different, the upper chassis shows irregularities consistent with the original damage - specifically a bend or dent in the palmrest and a wrinkle in the plastics at the back. Granted you have to look closely to see these issues, but it leaves me still a bit worried about the state of the internal electronics. Apparently the factory was convinced that the original damage was minor enough that it couldn't have affected the electronics, but I'm still nervous. Unfortunately, with the system now being out of stock, there's absolutely nothing I can do to ensure that I get a replacement, so I'm basically stuck with this one. I hope they're telling me the truth that it's a complete replacement, but if that's the case, then the palmrest dent means that Sager's build quality is less than perfect.

Other than that, the system seems pretty solid. Some minor creaks when handling it one-handed, but nothing unacceptable. It's certainly a lot thinner than I expected, which I like.

Incidentally, it fits my Cooler Master Notepal X-Slim almost perfectly.

 

Define "European Plug"?

Sure, when everything is a Type C (2-prong), you're good in most places, other than the UK and Ireland. But with a ground (3-prong), there are countless, different connectors, even on the mainland. Even if you have the Type E/F (French/German) universal, there are still the different ones for each ... the Netherlands, Switzerland and most definitely in Italy (where it's difficult to find an E/F). As I said, I've never been to Spain, so I don't know how prevalent Type E/F outlets are.

It's the gauge of the wire over the distance. For more current over longer distances, you need a thicker gauge of wire. A 16A@250VAC Type E/F cable is typical of a very high end cable for many servers, as it's rated for up to 4,000VA.

SIDE NOTE: This is also why daisy chaining cables and power strips is frowned upon. Because at some point, there may be more current along that full run than is supported by the gauge at one point in the chain.

It's just the maximum rating. In general, the thicker, the better. A 3A@250VAC is still good for 750W, but the 10A@250VAC is typical of PC power cables.

REAL WORLD "Litmus Test": If the cable gets warm, then get a better/new one. Also keep in mind that pulling on a cable across the room can cause it to weaken over time.

 

How well does it "fit" on the cooling pad? Does it slide around? How's the 15.6" notebook on the 17.3" cooling pad design?

NewEgg reviews were mixed, with one saying it doesn't slide while another says it does.
- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834992853

I was thinking of putting some velcro on the underside and using it to attach it to a cooling pad, plus velcro on the cooling pad to attach it to the desk. Or does the cooler and/or notebook have non-slip rubber in the corners?

I was going to hit my local TigerDirect when I get my P65x and try out the same pad, as they stock them locally.
- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1102742&Sku=C283-9004

I was also looking at the one designed for the 15.6" with the slightly smaller 140mm fan. It has rubber in the corners too.
- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834997819
- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7847502&csid=_61

My only concern was the mesh not extending to the corners, while the P65x fans are more in the corners. But it might be discontinued and more difficult to find. I don't mind going on-line to find things, but sometimes -- for things like these -- I like to try them out. Some on NewEgg were complaining it doesn't fit and/or cool well.

Sounds like it doesn't know how to handle the Optimus setup, registers, etc...

Classic Shell is one of those things you have to invest time into customizing, and some still might not like. For those that just want the Windows 7 like experience out-of-the-box, there are other solutions, like Start8. It's really a matter of personal taste.

 

Not sure how they can say this is a 17" cooler... the physical dimensions are extremely close to those of the P650SE, with the P650SE being less than 1/4" longer than the cooler pad.

The laptop does have rubber feet, and at a moderate angle on my lap (steeper than the angle it would be using its feet on a desk), I don't notice any sliding. At a more extreme angle, like 30 degrees, it does slide very slowly. I don't use it on a desk, so I have no idea whether it would slide there.

A few complaints about the Cooler Master X-Slim, though - it's not the quietest pad, and the USB plug has exposed metal edges around the passthrough port that can cut if you're not careful. But it did keep my M4400 a lot cooler, and I expect it to work as well with the P650SE - not that I've needed it yet, because this thing is pretty cool already.

 

It does not affect thermal performance. I've repasted dozens of laptops over the years using IC Diamond, and some of my personal ones 10-12 times or more with no negative affect.

 

That's too bad... Are you sure you're gonna keep it? I mean... If you're really needing it right now, I guess you don't have a choice.

Do some stress tests, and if it shows any kind of damage then return it... It's probably what I would do.

I remember some bad cases... Enough to prevent me from using it. It's not like I'm losing anything if I use noctua or anything else, so I chose to avoid the risk.

 

word, pasted both my cpus and gpus with ICD repeatedly and admittedly, the cpu showed signs of scratches but literally NO affect on either thermals or performance / overclock ability. so who cares about a few scratches on the die? u never really see them anyways
and i have never ever heard of a single case where ICD was responsible of actually damaging chips / hardware in general. please name ONE, i dare you

 

I'm tired of waiting to be able to enjoy the system, and I'm frustrated by the whole process... maybe that's what they're banking on, but still... Ultimately what it comes down to for me is that even if I returned it now, and waited 2 weeks before placing another order, I have no way of guaranteeing that I wouldn't just receive the exact same system yet again. Because of the backorder, even if I placed a new order yesterday, by the time the new one was delivered, I'd be out of the 30-day return window for the first one. So, yeah, I'm kinda stuck. I was able to increase the warranty to 2 years, so that helps in case a problem shows up later.

Crysis is finally installed, I'll be getting pics later tonight, then doing the screen swap and taking more pics. I have been having some issues getting Origin games to run with the 970m instead of the Intel HD...

 

Thanks for the info HTWingNut, I got a little nervous as I haven't purchased a new laptop in quite some time I thought I made a big no no (but then why offer it from XPC?). Doing some more research it seems like its only surface scratches if removed improperly (which doesn't really bother me anyway if it's just cosmetic). I wasn't sure if going with stock paste and re-pasting would void my warranty either so this seemed like the best route. Thanks for the reassurance :thumbsup:

 

@Dabeer that is unfortunate I would rma it again... I couldn't deal with that.. i have an OCD problem when it comes to things like that.

I thought I would share i just received my IPS screen today! (still havent even ordered my laptop (by the time the sg models come out knowing my luck they will not be compatible with the Samsung LTN156HL01)

Also I ordered the 840 evo on neweggs black Friday pre-sale and I got jipppppppped!!! still pist... it was 229.00. I looked again yesterday and it was 189.00 plus you get FarCry 4! So basically $100 off of what I paid grrrr!

Newegg did credit me with a 40.00 gift card for the iron egg price match promotion, but I still lost out on a ~50 dollar game

 

Just installed the screen there was only one small snag, one of the four screws holding in the panel I nearly stripped removing it was very overtightened and the bracket was slightly bent. It came out though and the screen is beautiful. No dead pixels. It reminds me very much of a matte version of my Alienware 18 screen

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If it weren't for the fact that I can't guarantee I won't receive the exact same system yet again, I would have.

Congrats on the scree, and sorry to hear about the SSD/game... couldn't you cancel and place a new order?

 

Yes I could have but they already shipped out and I had ordered it with ram... for whatever reason they would have made me return both purchases (not sure why) and then have to pay a restocking fee. Did not seem worth the hassle. Well maybe it would be...? Whatever I will be like you and just live with it

P.S. I doubt they would send you the same one again. expecially if you specified that that the armrest was bent --- or at least they would be obligated to replace it so it wasn't bent

 

I saw this promotion as well (SSD + game) and was planning on picking one up before I got the laptop. How is the 840 evo? Is it a direct plug and play in the NP8651? Bank of America is giving 20% cash back to tiger direct so I figured that would be a good reason to pick one up.