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That is my understanding. And the SE vs SG is the 970m or the 980m

 

That is the only known difference.

On the SE vs SG the differences are as follows:
SE = 970m : SG = 980m
SE = 25mm thick : SG= 29mm thick
SE = 2x 7mm thick m.2 SSD and 2x 7mm thick 2.5" drive (or 1x 9.5mm instead of 2x7mm)
SG = 7mm + 9.5mm thick m.2 SSD and 7mm + 9.5mm 2.5" drive
SE = 150w PSU : SG = 180w PSU

SG = probably has 3-4mm thicker cooling fans though there have been no actual pictures of this yet.

Edit: info in red is not entirely accurate, read next 10 posts or

 

there are no 7mm or 9.5mm m.2 ssds theyre all 22x80mm in size but the rest is correct! heres to hoping that well get some pics/reviews of the SG soon

 

I totally agree with this. In fact, I find it hard to believe they'll even be offering such nonsense. Are we really sure about this? The 4810, 4910 makes way more sense for these systems, and that's what most current models offer.

The argument that you'll have better graphics performance on battery doesn't really work because Iris Pro is not all that power efficient when pushed hard, and the new battery boost feature of the Nvidia Maxwell GPU series should all but negate any advantage of Iris Pro.

 

7mm thick or 9.5mm thick

It is a m.2 2280 slot though the 2280 means 22mm wide by 80mm long. You will also be able to fit an m.2 2242 or m.2 2260.

The thickness is the issue because the slots are one above the other, and due to the case thickness if you put a 9.5mm thick one in the p65xSE it will prevent the case from being closed. It would still fit in the bottom slot, but then it gets in the way of the top slot having one. In the p65xSG the extra 4mm thickness of the case allows for a 7mm in the bottom slot and a 9.5mm thick in the top slot.

There hope that explained it better, now off to bed before the sun comes up.

Edit: I was wrong on the thickness read down a few posts.

 

If the SG is thicker it only means one thing : better cooling. The 880M and 870M shared the exact same height and heatsink, so if it's thicker it's because they made the vents and the fans bigger, i'm not worried about the 980M tho...it's that intel crappy designed (speaking of thermal properties) haswell CPU that bothers me

 

aaah right, misread ur previous post then the internal pics off notebookscheck show that the m.2 slots are not on top of each other though, just the 2.5" sata slots.

 

It could make sense for mobile gaming on the move where it will extend battery life to keep the dgpu off.

 

This cannot be correct, as the M.2 specification doesn't allow anything near that thickness. Are you possibly referring to single-sided vs double-sided cards?

While I hope and expect this to be true, and it appears to be supported by the pictures we've seen of these systems, at least one review has said that only 80mm cards are supported.

This is certainly true of the HDD bays, but I'm almost positive it's not the case for the M.2 slots. The pictures we've seen so far show them being positioned at 90 degrees from each other at the side and top of the HDD bay.

 

It also shows different part numbers on the two m.2 sockets.

This is probably the most accurate info we have so far, Prema is really on top of this stuff.

So SE and SG have different 2.5" options because they are stacked and the SG provides more room with its thicker case.

They both have one m.2 2280 SATA socket, and one m.2 2280 PCIe x2/x4/SATA socket.

 

Yeah, I saw those. I have to wonder if maybe the reviewer simply couldn't figure out how to move the bracket from the 80mm spot to one of the other spots?

I even asked him about the M.2 slots over at Tech|Inferno, and he confirmed that both configurations have the same two M.2 slots, as described above: one supports only SATA, the other supports PCIe or SATA.

 

now to wait for a m.2 pcie 4x ssd that can actually max out that 3.5 GB/s in real life and also provides respective speeds at the 4K level, of course the 941XP just aint worth it, only sports faster sequential speeds but is actually slower than the 850 pro for example when it comes to 4K performance

 

3.5Gig per sec Oo, do we really need this ^^ !? It's not like we had to render an F35 on our clevos...

 

Just ordered:

MYTHLOGIC Dia 1614 Chassis (Clevo P650Sx)

15.6" 4K QFHD (3840x2160) Glossy IPS LCD +$150.00
Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.5GHz, 6M L3 Cache, 22nm, DDR3L-1600MHz
16GB (2 x 8GB) , PC3-12800, 1600MHz SODIMM +$86.25
nVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M 4GB GDDR5 with nVIDIA Optimus Technology PreOrdered: Mid-ish November +$264.00
Samsung 1TB 840 EVO Series SATA III 6Gb/s Solid State Drive +$410.70 (+$88.80 over none)
Intel Centrino Advanced-AC 7260 2*2 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n + BT 4.0 350/867MB Total Bandwidth
Samsung External DVDRW USB Powered Optical Drive (Black) +$39.73

Decided on the 4k screen because:
Many of the games I play actually will be able to use the native resolution.
Most other games it will be able to handle at 1440 resolution which will I hope still look better than 1080p at native.
I'm just crazy enough to not mind personally modifying some games to make them work.
Its amazingly high glare screen is only equal glare to my present laptop and luckily I play in a dark room.

I could not recommend based on reviews of 4k gaming for others to get a 4k screen though.
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I do not plan to do a review on it, unless no one else has a good one up. But I do plan to review using the 4K screen in more depth since everything I find about them skip over tons of cases of usage.

 

welcome in the wonderful P65xSx queue my friend

also going for the 4K screen, just cant help but be super curious as to the sharpness on a 15" screen. about time we get high-dpi stuff on our gaming laptops, if every stupid ultrabook and smartphone already has one!

btw, 1080p might actually look better on that display, since it wont be interpolating like at 1440p. thats also the reason i went for it, ill still game at 1080p but waaaay more working space for the everyday stuff

 

No it will still interpolate to 1080p, so far no laptop, and very few desktop monitors allow for true pixel doubling. A native 1080p will look better at 1080p though. That said this is also a far higher quality display then the specific 1080p option that is offered. The wider color gamut, more accurate color, better contrast may also help offset the quality loss from interpolation.

 

I have never owned a 1080p laptop so I'm sure it will be sharp to begin with but I'm curious to see what the 4k looks like in person... And how the downscaling differs from native 1080 I want a side by side comparison

 

so, you're buying two laptops, then?

 

Lol I wish

 

how would the 4K be interpolating to 1080p? here i thought it would indeed just fuse two pixels into one since 4K is double pixel number of 1080p in length and width...

 

Well technically it's 4 pixels for each one and it would be more down to the gpu to do the work. It may not be perfect but it should be pretty close.

 

I'm still torn between getting 4k or 1080p at this point, I mean I know 1080p will look fine on a 15" since it looked AMAZING on a 13.3" though which a 1440p variant was made, dunno WHY they skipped that.

Question is: Given that its a 15" and the DPI would the down scaling REALLY be THAT noticeable. I mean the only retro games I could imagine playing would be games on DoSBox. Only game I can think of atm that would SUCK would be Metal Gear on Steam (Revengeance) but iirc you can change the resolution on it.. ( I think)...

Then again I'm still torn between this and the 8258/8268-S due to the 8gb vs 4gb 980.

Anyone from XoticPC chime in on when they think this model might go up for configuration and what display options might be available?

 

4k I'll wait two - three years before buying one.

 

The problem is when you output say 1080p to a 4k screen, the GPU is outputting at 1080p, then the hardware in the screen is converting it to fit the 4k resolution. Theoretically if they spent a lot more money to put in better hardware sure you could get better scaling options but it would also cost more.

There is at least 1 other method to get true pixel doubling. Write a software program probably masked as a AA filter option that would have the GPU take the finished 1080p scene and do the pixel doubling itself, then output it to the screen already at 4k resolution. I would mask it as a AA filter since it works almost exactly the same, and many programs already allow for GPU based AA options to be applied. Alternatively you could write it directly as a mod for an individual game. These methods would also cause a small hit to FPS from the extra load on the GPU.

As to the quality of the interpolation, that depends a lot on the specific method used, some will be better than others. If it just causes a slight blur it likely will make no difference at 4K. Some however cause a darkening or washed out look or such. We'll have to wait and see how this specific screen handles it.

 

i was actually just talking about the division result in downscaling...

2160p/1440p=2.194 (not a whole number, thus washed out/blurred image)

2160p/1080p=2 (whole number, thus sharp image, since no "partly used" pixels are shown)

 

That is correct, except your number is a bit off. It would be 2160p (1080 x 2). You put a 3 where a 2 belonged, but I'm guessing that's what you meant.

So, 3840x2160 resolution is exactly double 1920x1080 and you'd get a 4:1 pixel ratio. That should look as good as a native 1080p display since pixel doubling doesn't require sophisticated interpolation.The scaling algorithm would have to be horrendously bad to screw that up.

The other thing to consider is that the PPI on the screen will be pretty high, so even at partial pixel scaling ratios, it should still look quite good. I have a Yoga 2 Pro with a 13.3 inch 3200x1800 screen, and even though 1080p is not half of that, it still looks quite sharp. High PPI goes far in hiding the typical LCD scaling sins.

 

yep sorry, i meant 2160p, typo

edit: corrected

 

The problem is that even though it's an integer scale, the screen will still interpolate between two neighboring input pixel values to be able to fill 4 display pixels. It should be easy for the hardware to detect an integer scale and not interpolate, but from what I've been hearing, none of them actually do this.

I've been playing with GIMP to see what this interpolation actually looks like, but as Ningyo said, it will depend on the actual screen.

 

Annd 4K + 4GDDR5 ain't enough ! with that resolution go with a 6 minimum GDDR5

 

as i said, im not really planning to play at 4K except with older games maybe

 

Does the older games support that resolution?

 

not officially most of them have some work-around through ini.file modifications and such

 

I wanna see what a DOS game would look like running @ 4k through highly set options in DOSbox

 

lol i didnt mean THAT old hahaha

 

Yeah time to break out Pong again, be so much better in 4k, the ball will be so much smoother no more annoying jagged edges.

Seriously though I meant more along the lines of Skyrim or Medieval Total War, or such.

 

rofl dear god I didn't mean THAT OLD LOL hahaha. I was thinking more like Prince of Persia, Rise of the Triad, Raptor, Tyrian ( loved that game to death ) and other fun ones like police quest. I wouldn't really consider Sky rim to be that old, its what less than 4 years old now?

When people say older games, I immediately think legacy, such as early 2002 and below.

 

Diablo 2 LOD is about the oldest game I still play... And i doubt it would look good at that res even if I were able to get it that hight

 

Yeah I can see that, thing is though you need above a certain texture size for 4k to help at all. Because most textures are mapped onto objects that only take up a tiny bit of the screen, they do not need to be 4k textures. But for most things depending on object size you need at least 256x256 - 1024x1024 textures before you are likely to see noticeable improvement. Most games before around 2000-2004 will probably have the max textures and detail settings be so low 4K resolution really won't help. So the real advantage will be in games from about 5-10 years old. Or possibly newer console ports if they are well optimized. Also things like strategy games which don't need as high of a frame rate.

Even Skyrim is questionable, I suspect the 980m will be about 20 times as fast as my present GPU but it will also be about 8 times the resolution. This will hopefully give about 60-80 FPS, but then of course I need to raise some graphics settings too so the question is does that push it to 50 FPS, 40 FPS, 30? (Note I am using a HEAVILY modified Skyrim not the base game)

 

whos even using unmodified skyrim at all?

 

Do we actually know if the display panels are IPS? Notebookreview's test unit had a 4K panel from SHARP (LQ156D1JX01B).

I checked the specs on the link above, the optical features look like they're a typical IPS there's no mention of it or an IPS-like tech in it...

 

Sharp is known to use MVA and AVS technologies which are different than IPS but have similar viewing angles.

 

SIAP, Sager now has the NP8651 on their site.
- Sager Notebook :: Gaming Notebooks :: NP8651

 

yep, the screen options for these models are all IPS based, including the 4K displays from Sharp and Samsung

 

Sucks the page is incomplete, would love to see whats offered with it.

 

Nope at first I thought the IGZO was just a material used in the production, apparently it is also the name of the display technology.

A picture of the subpixels in a IGZO screen from Digitalversus


It appears they have red, blue, green, and either a white or yellow subpixel. Information on the technology tends to show similar viewing angles to IPS, but certain improvements in power efficiency, and possibly a few other things. Details are few and far between though.

 

Well, I finally pulled the trigger on the MYTHLOGIC Dia 1614 (ClevoP650Sx).

I went back and forth, and was going to wait to see what Sager/XoticPC could do. But finally I realized I need to get something pre-ordered now, and not wait any longer, as my old 17" went belly-up last month.

• Mobile Chassis: MYTHLOGIC Dia 1614 Chassis (Clevo P650Sx)
• Mobile Display: 15.6" 4K QFHD (3840x2160) Glossy IPS LCD
• Monitor Calibration: Free MYTH Professional Monitor Color Calibration
• CPU: Intel Core i7-4710HQ 2.5GHz, 6M L3 Cache, 22nm, DDR3L-1600MHz, Quad-Core Mobile Processor
• Thermal Compound: Free IC Diamond Thermal Compound
• System Memory: 32GB (4 x 8GB) , PC3-12800, 1600MHz SODIMM Quad Core Proc + Win 7 Pro/Win 7 Ult/8.
  • My primary driver (at least 32GB)
• Video Adapter: nVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M 3GB GDDR5 with nVIDIA Optimus Technology PreOrdered: End of Oct
  • Again, trying to get something the first half of November, although this means it's the 25mm unit
• m.2 Slots: Crucial 512GB m550 m.2 SATA III 6GB/s Solid State Drive
  • I thought about getting the Samsung 512GB XP941 m.2, but realized I can wait a bit and see how the benchmarks turn out on the P650. I can always add it later.
• Hard Drive: None (REQUIRES mSATA for Bootable Drive)
  • I'm going to migrate my existing, 7mm hard drives. Kinda wish I was getting the 28mm unit so I could have a 9.5mm + 7mm, but I'll live with dual 7mm.
• Keyboard: Standard Backlit Keyboard - Chiclet
• Network Card: Onboard Gigabit (10/100/1000 Mbits/sec) LAN subsystem
• Wireless Card: Intel Centrino Advanced-AC 7260 2*2 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n + BT 4.0 350/867MB Total Bandwidth
• Bluetooth: Integrated Bluetooth 4.0 with Intel 7260-AC and Killer 1202
• Operating System: Windows 8.1
  • Although I'm a Linux user, pre-installed Windows that is setup and tested with all drivers never hurts.
• Anti-Virus Software: Microsoft Security Essentials
• MYTHLOGIC Assurance: MYTH Lifetime Assurance with Lifetime Labor + 2 Years Parts Warranty, 2 Yrs 2-Way Shipping Cont US
  • Decided on 2-year for +$100, plus ...
• Accidental coverage and Insurance: Accidental LCD Only coverage and insurance includes shipping - 2 Years
  • The 2-year Accidental LCD for +$150
• FREE MYTHLOGIC T-Shirt Pick a size: MYTHLOGIC T-Shirt - Extra Extra Large
• MYTHLOGIC System Media + Mousepad: MYTH Mousepad and System Media

 

Ok, how'd you end up at www 3.sagernotebook.com? I've only ever seen www .sagernotebook.com, which doesn't look anywhere as slick, and doesn't have a link to the NP8651.

 

An option would be to drop the RAM to 16GB (2x8GB) (save $195.50) {16gb is a lot and you can always upgrade later}
And/or drop the LCD accidental coverage (save $150) {screen replacement cost would likely be $250-350, of course some people are hard on their laptops so maybe this is important to you}

Change to 980m (spend +$264.00) {also will let you use that 7mm + 9.5mm 2.5" drive you mentioned}

 

Man everyone is already getting these pre ordered. I feel left out! I really want to put my order in but I'm still trying to come up with the funds. Also can't decide which screen and want to see what exotic PC has to offer to the table.

 

Lol why was I quoted? xD My comment was based on the Link from earlier, which sounds like it may be a fake site?

Anywhoo let us know how it goes w/ the 4k Panel.