*** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

I wish I could do this, will make the choice easier lol. But, I don't need two laptops. Now, if only my sis would sell her MBAir and I can convince her to get the SG...

 

I use one as a mobile workstation for my three desks. Since I move around a lot, the SG should work for when I dont need the extra power.

 

Haha. Well, Sager says height on SE is .98 inch, so that is about 24.89mm. And SG is 28.8mm high, yes? So difference is almost 4mm. Add +1mm as tolerance. Sager is not machining their laptops, they are assembling it, so expect some variation in height.

 

Will the 960m ever get released? A under 1000$ machine would be amazing with a 960m; with the temps of this laptop, I can see myself OC'ing the 960m to match the 970m >

 

well, since there was a maxwell version of the 860M released taking care of midrange performance and the momentary super high demand for GM204 chips due to the 980M and 970M plus desktop cards, its very conceivable that the 960M wont be released until spring next year...

heres one very interesting tidbit of info from prema over at TI though:

dGPU:

• NVIDIA® GTX980M 4GB DDR5 (SG model)
• NVIDIA® GTX970M 3GB DDR5 (SE model)
• NVIDIA® N16E-GS 2GB DDR5 (SA model)

take a wild guess which GPU the N16E-GS represents....

 

Sager Notebook :: Series Notebook :: NP8652 <------The site is back up...check it out.

 

Still showing the NP8651 advertising content, though. No pics of the actual NP8652.

 

i have a good feeling about this generation of clevo models....really seems like theyre stepping up their game, me likes!

 

If you look at the back of both models, they are distinctively different.

 

Argh, what a tease!

 

But where are you seeing pics of the back of the SG? Not from that link... If it's from the OP, we're assuming that's the SG, we're not sure. It might be the17".

 

Pictures are at the top of the page, you can scroll through it. Looks like that is the 8652.

Odd though that they got the extra cooling, extra height all with only adding 0.1lbs or 1.6oz or 45grams. Something doesn't seem right.

 

Sheesh, I need to stop looking at these pics. I might end up pulling the trigger D:

 

So I see, I missed that. Cool, so that is the SG after all. I'm loving the back with all that shining copper...

As for the weight, maybe most of it is just empty space? Or maybe they just added height at the back, and made it slightly wedge-shaped. Or, since we haven't seen a clean profile, maybe there's just a bulge like on the P150SM?

 

Who knows, yeah it seems a bit odd, but curious to see how well it performs and cools. Looks like Clevo definitely did some engineering and sensible layout on both the P650SE and SG.

 

Has anyone been able to locate a driver page for the sager?

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Took me some time to transfer the drivers from the CD onto a memory stick

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Lol they should send it already on a USB... That is kinda ironic.

 

Are you able to take that ugly chrome frame around the vents off? That is the only thing I dislike about this laptop and thus why I really would prefer the non brushed version... I'm going to take it off or paint it black if possible

 

Not sure if it is proper to post 3 times in a row but they are unrelated posts

I just joined the aftermarket - PLS/IPS Club! Placed my screen order - 15.6"LCD screen Samsung LTN156HL01 For Asus Q501LA LED eDP 30pin WUXGA1920x1080 off ebay 107.11 shipped!

now just crossing fingers the install will be as simple as I am hoping!

still haven't placed my laptop order even (hurry sg version!)... I got tired of waiting to spend some money so I went ahead and bought the screen in anticipation for the laptop.

 

I'm a bit partial to looks too, but that chrome ring you will never see when using the laptop.

In any case, I was able to tug at it a little bit and looks like it might come off. Likely leave some holes in the back of the laptop where it clips in though, and probably break it in the process.

 

Thanks for heads up.I know it will be in back but i want a stealth look! so its more of a nitpicking thing. I wonder if I could buy a replacement if I did break it... Cause knowing me I'll eventually try getting that sucker off

 

I can't stand chrome either.

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OT ... but related to notebook aesthetics ...

You can always tell an older aged owner of a newer generation Corvette when they get chrome wheels, possibly even chrome aftermarket accessories. Younger aged owners have either metallic paints or dark wheels and other trims, without any chrome.

To each his own though ...
- http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum...vette-hre-wheels-stingray-corvette-wheels.jpg
- http://www.corvette7.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=479971&d=1361062215

Although going the other way, while I think the red stripe on black wheels is "kinda cool" (2015 Z51 Pacific Performance Package), it coulud easily could be a "fad" too.
- http://www.chevycorvette.com/news/w...-stingray-z51-pacific-performance-package.jpg

It's been used in notebooks as well, along with LED, and I really don't see the point, externally. For internal lighting in a vehicle, that's a different story, it has a good function (non-blinding illumination), just like for a keyboard on a notebook. The choice of LED color gives a little user preference too, something I'd like to see more in notebooks too.

 

????

Not where I live, and I live the "Motor City". In any case, I'm not a big fan of Chrome, but as long as it's used sparingly for highlights I don't care really.

If you want, just take a Sharpie to it and call it a day.

 

They will come off if you bend it enough





And yes, it did snap back on fairly securely once I took the bottom cover off and reattached it.

Someone had one of those parked outside the UPS center when I picked up my laptop yesterday morning! Wasn't there when I dropped it back off for the RMA, unfortunately. I don't usually care for Corvettes, but the new design is a lot cooler looking than before.

This, or maybe painting it, might be a good way to go. If you can pop it off first, then maybe sand it a bit to rough up the chrome and give the paint something to stick to, then you could paint it with a good enamel and then reattach it so you aren't left with unsightly holes. It is rather small and I suspect fragile, though, so you'd have to be careful.

 

Isn't MythLogic right over in Ann Arbor from you?

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With that said ...
- LT1/LT4 are Tonawanda, NY
- 8L90** is Toledo, OH, and ...
- Final assembly continues to be Bowling Green, KY (since '82)

**Disclaimer: If you go manual (TR6070), then you get Tremec like most everyone else uses in the industry for high torque applications, although the up+down rev-match design is a GM-exclusive additive in the powertrain (at least for now).

Whether it's chrome or LEDs, I really don't care for the highlights ... externally.

That's like spray painting wheels. Instead, I'd like a custom option from the factory, like GM does for the kids v. geezers.

 

All OT ...

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The '15 Z51 with the Pacific Peformance Package? Or just a generic C7 ('14+)? I'll have to check with Harland, but I didn't think the Pacific Performance Package was available for the 2015 Z51 yet, although it's now after the SEMA show. Harland said sometime after, but the last time I talked to him was the (Edited) NCM Bash at the end of April.

The new design is for maximum downforce and handling, from the chassis up, through the body, including engine-tranny-related center-of-gravity, the up exhaust of the radiator, etc... Ironically this is reducing the top speed of the Corvette, from over 200mph prior (even the base models did 190-something) to 180-something in the best aerokits (e.g., C7 Z06 w/Z07 package), because of inherent downforce in the body.

The C4 ('84-'96) was actually the best aero for top speed (and it had to be because they cut the power from the prior C3, for fuel economy), and Callaway (who still does the C6/C7.R GT3 for Blancpain GT series) did a slight modification, along with twin turbos, and achieved 254mph back in 1987. That record held for a "production" car ("production" is loose because the only made so many dozen), until the Bugatti Veyron (although it too has a very limited "production" run) for almost for 20 years.

Virtually all of the designs today were learned from racing in the Le Mans series. The 2015 Z06 design today is the basis for the French-based ACO-FIA sanctioned GT sports car in 2014+, and Pratt-Miller didn't have to modify the chassis or body at all for added stiffness or downforce, which is unheard of for the higher GT classes.

Understand the C5 ('97-04) was designed before GM started sports car racing, of which Doug Fehan is more than ready to bash (e.g., "cat whiskers for intakes"). Corvette was outlawed by GM executives for various reasons (including liability) from racing for almost 40 years after Zora did it "on his own time/money" in the early '60s, even to the irony of stopping Zora at the same time an executive gave C2 prototype bodies to Carol Shelby.

The C6 ('05-'13) was an evolutionary refit of the C5, using a lot of the same, base components, but drastically transferring everything GM learned from racing under ACO-FIA sanctioned classes from '99-04. The, now very dated, LS7 became infamous for never blowing in a single race, and taking home many international awards.

The C7 is Tadge finally being able to go radical ... right down to the exotic chassis w/tooling, as well as actually putting in aluminum and carbon fiber instead faux in places and other things. That would have never happened had GM not gone bankrupt and the US GAO telling GM executives to "get the heck out of the way of your most profitable product." Yes, GM had all the metrics, but never looked at them ... until the US government came in and showed them how they were being stupid. GM actually came close to ending the Corvette line after the C4 ('84-'96), and it took a lot of good people who had "dealt with the madness" for decades, to change things, which finally did happen after the bankruptcy and the general smack down the GAO gave GM on the extremely profitable Corvette.

The chassis alone brings the economies-of-scale down, which allowed the C7 to have a chassis and body design that didn't cost more than the C6, while being better (and cheaper) than the C6 Z06 Carbon and ZR1 special editions. I.e., there are a lot racing teams drooling to get the C7.R "hand-me-downs" from GM because they cannot build a chassis so cheaply that is so light and so stiff, let alone with the tooling required to maintain. Economies-of-scale is everything when you have a product in a 30-50K volume/year, instead of only a few hundred.

Again, Pratt-Miller didn't have to change a thing in the chassis or body to get better handling for downforce. They only added the non-street legal off-body aero effects to get >2G, as do other FIA GT classes. Most of what GM has to deal with is US DoT regulations for street use, although some are just dumb. Talk to Tadge sometime and he'll talk about it. This includes the 5mph "bumper" that "Jezza" loves to flex, a design specifically to pass US DoT tests.

And they finally addressed the God awful interior, which wasn't different from a Cobalt other than some faux aluminum and faux carbon fiber (now all real in the C7). In fact, GM's blind test in Europe between the 911, GT-R, R8 and C7 produced some eye opening results. Nearly 9 out of 10 people didn't like the 911's plastic, when the Porsche crest was removed, and even recognized the lack of a logo shocked them when they found out what it was. The R8 fared 2nd best, to the (still then unrevealed) C7 interior (which 1 out of 2 people preferred). I met Brian (who is young) who did the design back in early 2013, and he had to fight to get the interior changed, but he's glad he did, especially with the industry awards.

2018 will see the introduction of the C7 ZR1 with a mid-engine, which GM is being forced to consider for both keeping the rear wheels on the ground with the massive, low RPM torque in the LT series (50/50 weight balance is great for handling, but not apply power), along with a front KERS/electric hybrid solution. Right now there's no room in the front for such, so they are using the mid-generation ZR1 to toy with it. Although it's going to cost over $150K because of the sheer mechanical complexity, which Tadge has warned about for years (e.g., $15K for transmission alone).

If the design is successful, the C8 (2020 or so) would be the shift to mid-engine, although the Corvette will move to a 6 figure cost in the base model as a result, instead of mid 5 figures like today. Hence why there are rumors that Corvette may eventually become it's own line and keep the front engine for affordability and cargo space, while the mid-engine becomes a standard model (even if only 1/10th the volume, 4 figures instead of 5 figures), starting with C8.

 

Ditto...

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No idea. As I said, I'm not usually a fan of Corvettes, so I don't know all that much about them. What I do know for sure is that it was red and had the black stingray, and I think it had black stripes, but I can't swear to that. The wheels look right, too... but again, that's just going from memory. Edit; looking more at the Chevy website, I feel comfortable saying that it was at a minimum a Z51, although what additional trim level or package, I don't know.

There were a couple of other guys in the parking lot all drooling over it, too.

Some cool info there, thanks. I'd love to see a mid-engined 'vette. It feels like what used to be a redneck-only wanna-be supercar is finally growing up and actually becoming one

 

More OT ...

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You can get the Stingray logo on the hood as a standard option. There is also an aftermarket Jake for the hood that is popular too. Long story short, GM has to license Jake from another party, although they did imprint it on the Blue Devil (C6 ZR1 prototype) air intake with licensing approval.

Starting with the C6, Harland and Tadge et al. starting making a lot of things very custom and available, and started the full Genuine Corvette Accessories (GCA) line. It's not unheard of for Corvette owners to drop $5-10K just in GCA and related details post-purchase, beyond a good $5K+ in factory options.

Wait until the '15 Z06 numbers come back from the Nürburgring. In talking to Jim Mero back at the NCM Bash in 2013, he was forward on why the supercharged C6 ZR1 only did about 4 seconds better than the C6 Z06 Carbon Edition, the ZR1 is an off-balanced pig. The C6 Z06 was perfectly balanced, but the C6 ZR1 was not. He hated driving the ZR1 on the Ring compared to the Z06.

I.e., keep in mind even the '09 C6 ZR1 is essentially still based on a design from 2005, a design never built around the "Blue Devil" concept (which became the ZR1), and now a decade old.

The C7 was designed to be 50/50 balanced in the supercharged Z06 version, and with more inherent downforce of any car GM has tested on its track ... including a lot of expensive, non-GM exotics. If the "performance balancing" GM has suffered, in the C7.R based on the C7 Z06, at the hands of ACO-FIA/IMSA is any indication (e.g., least fuel, largest restrictor for most of the '14 series, etc...), the new, extremely stiff chassis (production Z06 is 40% more than the C6.R modified GT race car!) and aero downforce, especially in the Z07 performance package, is going to make the Z06 hard to beat in a production, US street legal factory car -- and, again, that's without any off-body aero and other things (often illegal to put on by a factory for sale in the US).

Everybody does. But nobody wants to pay $50,000 more for it. It also takes away the practical 20 cu. ft. of storage -- cue Danica Patrick trying to pick up her friend at Phoenix Sky Int'l in a Lambo, and she cannot even fit a suitcase in -- and other things that Corvette takes for granted against nearly all supercars, other than the BMW or Mercedez front-engines.

However, as I mentioned, GM has conceded that A) to keep the wheels on the ground with the industry-leading, extremely highly, low RPM torque band of the pushrod engine, along with B) the need to free up room in the front for hybrid and other equipment coming off the largely front-biased braking, mid-engine is not a matter of "if," but "when."

So there are very strong, and in some cases, confirmed rumors of a radical ZR1 model mid-C7 around 2018, that may be the basis for the C8. But if that's the case, it will almost double the base cost of a Corvette to almost 6 figures. Indeed, the rumors are the C7 ZR1 with a mid-engine would cost at least $150K.

The Corvette will never be that "exclusive" car, not even in a mid-engine. It's always that friend American car, where people wave from inside instead of acting like you can't own one. It sells 2x Porsche and 10x+ almost anything else in its class, volume-wise, so it's as far as "exclusive" as you can get. And with the front-engine design, you can be heavy or tall and fit, along with carrying a full suite of luggage in the back (at least the coupe versions).

That said, the C6 has been beating the crap out of Ferraris, Lambos and others on the 'Ring for quite some time. In fact, it's at the point where sourcing is international, and even some Ferrari's have advanced technology GM-Delphi parts in them. Ferrari just charges $10K for them in some models when they are $2K options (or even standard in some editions) on the Corvette.

As Jay Leno said about the C6 generation ... "A Corvette is like a Ferrari for 1/3rd the price, and costs the same as a Cobalt to maintain."

That's also why the C6 was the first model to get Consumer Reports' "Recommended Buy" for the luxury sports car segment. It is very reliable, and even when not, the maintenance costs are nothing in comparison, let alone the resale value is the highest of any Big 3 car. However, the C7 only has 2 parts from the C6, and there have been issues with it. At least the C6 used a lot of proven components from the C5 and didn't have to suffer through some teething.

Although the C7 is almost completely software, even more so than the C6 (and even the C5 was somewhat software), so it's often just a quick firmware update at the dealer. That was the case with the tranny and transfer case recently on the '14s. Most of the technology developed for the C6 in the early '00s are now in all GMs (especially active handling and traction control), and old C6 powertrains are being recycled into new, non-Corvette products.

 

Was anyone here able to get anything other than a 4710??

 

I was going by what I see with the NP8651 on Sager's site. They don't even give us the option to purchase without one.

custom gaming laptops - Welcome to Sager Notebooks

 

It's mostly likely that Sager has licensed Windows on the entire model, so there no option for "no OS."

Doing such would bring the price down to around $25/unit for "model-wide," instead of the typical, OEM volume ("as installed" for "any model") price of $75-100, for Home Edition. The kicker with "model-wide" is that they must pay that cost on every unit of that model they ship, hence why they are likely not giving you an "OS-less" option.

The "OS-less" aspect is Clevo themselves. But end resellers, like Sager, can do the "model-wide" option. It usually requires a minimum number of units shipped, especially since Microsoft likes it's money up-front, or on a specific, "start of cycle" payment.

BTW ... "upgrade price" of the "Pro" Editions remain little unchanged though, as the price is around +$50 upgrade, regardless of "model-wide" or "OEM volume." I.e., $25/unit for Home and $75/unit for Pro, "model-wide," and usually $75-100/unit for Home and $125-150/unit for Pro, when it's an OEM Volume license that is paid on only those units that ship (regardless of model).

 

When I contacted Santech (ITA reseller) they told me that the 980m version would have a "different cover" and "bigger plastics" or "raised plastic parts" (this one is hard to translate), and that they wouldn't sell the SG model because of potential overheating problems. I don't know if they made internal lab tests but actually I doubt that.

So... I really don't know. They didn't mention extra copper so maybe, I say maybe, the extra thickness is just for better airflow. But I do want the 980m... So this or the ZM, one of them it's going to be mine.

 

yep, the same comment came from Schenker/MySn concerning the SG model with the 980M. they just mentioned a different back cover that would be raising the laptop off the ground for a bit. this and the slight weight difference of only 46 g would suggest that they indeed did not change anything at the copper level, just at the "plastic level"

regardless, youd be surprised how much of a cooling improvement propping up ur machine gives! ive been doing this standard-wise for any laptop i own, just put two plastic bottle caps beneath the back of the laptop and bam u got urself a 10C improvement

 

SG model because of potential overheating problems
If i take the same CPU in the SE version and overclock the 970M to 980M frequency i still will not get overheating. So with even less residual heat thanks to the extra thickness.....

 

Hope so I'm pretty undecided between this and the P751ZM... but both of them show potential heating problem. This stupid fashion of making everything extra-ultra-thin... I don't get it. Like the Alienware 13... External graphics amplifier and a i7U!

Maybe this week I'll finally decide and put an order for the 651... Without even waiting for the 980m tests.

 

"both of them show potential heating problem"
I disagree, HTwingnut took the time to make a good review of the 970M, the 980M is not a monstruosity from Mars...it's a factory overclocked 970M (with better voltage/ampere tolerance of course), you should read it thoroughly before paying 1700+ bucks.

 

not quite correct, the 980M also has more unlocked cores than the 970M but yeah, tbh im not really worried about the SG, it should handle any heat like a champ. the ZM on the other hand will most probably need some love to unlock its true overclocking potential, but thats ok from my perspective since i love tinkering with my machines

 

Not really, the 980m has more active shaders (1536 vs 1280) too. 20% more shaders and 8,5% higher frequency (1127 MHz vs 1038) together are not just a simple "factory overclock", in my opinion.

HTwingnut did a really good review and that's why I'm confident in ordering the SG, I think the extra space will really matter when cooling down the 980m. But NBC reviews of the SE (altough maybe of a pre-prod sample) and the comparable P35X show temps around ~90°C on full load, that even on an unrealistic scenario - full CPU/GPU load is basically impossible, or at least highly improbable, in everyday use - are quite concerning.

I've read everything thoroughly and I'm quite sure of what I will purchase and why. But hey, I'm not burying my head under the sand: I'll test my laptop deeply after I receive it and if it's not going to satisfy me I will undoubtedly use the 2-week return policy. As you've said, 1700+ bucks ain't no joke.

 

Hmm, that is odd, because resellers always come without OS as stock. In the case of the NP8651, the base price from LPC-Digital, XoticPC, etc is $1269 with no OS, and $1349 from the Sager website. That's the $80 difference for the OS. So if the cost does include Windows, that is a pretty decent price IMHO. Still $300 more any way you look at it though.

See my post above. Resellers also order from Sager directly, and offer a no-OS option. It's been $80 for the standard Windows 8 or 8.1 since it's been offered. Buying direct from Sager has never been a great plan either, because their CS is kind of poor, but their products are really good. That is why you should order from a reseller, period.

 

I have a 4870 on pre-order from PCS - although it's not offered as an option any more for new buyers!

Unfortunatelt the system won't arrive this side of Christmas - I ditched the Samsung 4K panel in favour of the 3K option, but that now shows as:

"Defiance Series: 15.6" Matte 3K IPS LED Widescreen (2880x1620) (ETA: 20-12-2014)"

It'll be interesting to see what the system is like once it eventually arrives.

 

Well, once you get it be sure to check thermals, iris pro might get you higher temps than you expected.

 

You should change the topic of this thread to "**Official Clevo P6x0SE/SG - P6x1SE/SG / Sager NP8651 - NP8652 Owner´s Lounge** "
because the 15" and the 17" is still the same barebone, just with different plastic and metall surrounding...
(and i can stay here, as i ordered the p705 from xmg )

 

Well 17" is not the same, it's larger chassis, more storage options likely, as well as likely different cooling.

 

i was just sticking to the traditional division of 15" and 17" models. if you take a look around in the Clevo owner´s lounge area ull see that this is the case for all 15"/17" series

 

Who did you get that ETA ?

If i do the same configuration with a 980M all I see is 980M ETA 25 - 11 - 14

 

its the same mainboard, storage options are just because ist 30mm thickness.... everything else is the same... (excluding display)

 

Does anyone know where I can find the hotkey tool with custom fan table option? I don't have this option.

 

It pops up if I try and change my order to have a fast track dispatch:

We've checked your specification for compatibility. Please see our suggestions below:

Unfortunately we cannot offer a priority delivery service on this specification because the following items are currently pre-sold and new inventories may not arrive in time to ensure a fast-track/priority dispatch:

Clevo P650SG (4GB GTX-980M, i7-4870HQ)

If you require a fast-track delivery service please select alternatives to these products, or otherwise please remove your fast-track option.

Please note that the following products are not currently in stock and will delay your order. Please select an alternative product:

Defiance Series: 15.6" Matte 3K IPS LED Widescreen (2880x1620) (ETA: 20-12-2014)

Please note that the following products are not currently in stock and may possibly delay your order. We suggest you select an alternative product unless you are prepared to wait for these item(s) to arrive back into stock:

NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 980M - 4.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 11 (ETA: 25-11-2014)

 

@retron ahhh well I was tempted to switch over to pcspecialist to get it sooner but if the 3K display is delayed, there's no point, as I sure as heck ain't going for the TN 1080p panel and not keen on the pentile Samsung 4K panel either.

mySN told me I'd get my order in the second week of December if I ordered this week due to a backlog of existing preorders. Which is only one week difference from when I'm expecting my order from Scan.

Looks like I'll be sticking with Scan, especially as they've promised me a fast, 3 working days build time until dispatch once they get hold of the SG chassis

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