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Hello hello,

Has anyone gotten the 4K display for the 650RS yet?

Related to that, I'm still on a W150HRQ, so 5 years old. I'm really not sure if a 4K screen is even really worth it on a 15"? I like the screen I have right now, although I'm pretty sure it's a glossy screen. ( I don't do any photoshopping or other digital art, just games, which is one thing I've read in parts about need for 4K.)

I think that's really the big thing outstanding for me before I do a whole WLSIB thread, as that would discount the ASUS and MSI offerings. (Civ 6 finally coming out, hence the upgrade timing hehe.)

 

4k will really hurt your fps. I would say imo 4k is least Important for gaming. It will be clearer for sure, but not worth the huge hit to fps you will get or the reduction in settings required to hit 60fps. Prob need SLI cards to run close to 60 with high settings.

 

Cool thx.

 

did you find the latest drivers? i think i might need the usb 3.0 drivers since (for multiple reasons) i want to do a win7 install

 

I wouldn't go back to low res desktops now that I've had my Blade and mbpr for so long. Just get 4K for the desktop and run games at lower res.

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That's true you could always run games at a lower resolution. that gives the best of both worlds. Unless he is worried about battery life. In which case the 4k panel will use noticeabley more power. Also how does the scaling do in games when you lower the resolution? Sometimes the GUIs get huge.

 

I've never had any issues with UI scaling.

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Has anybody had problems playing old games, like early 2000's stuff that didn't even have 1080p support, on a 4K screen?

 

Nope. It just runs at a lower res just like it does on a 1080p panel.

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you might be able to use Nvidia DSR to upscale older games.

 

Guys, in order to activate/deactivate optimus, do you have to restart the computer or can you hot switch it on and off?

 

It can only be done in the bios.

 

Great thanks guys.

Edit: or gals

 

Yes you need to restart after you switch from Control center in Windows

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I am not worried about battery, it will almost always stay plugged in. It's going to be in my living room for the most part. I also play strategy games mostly, especially Civ (5/soon to be 6), so i'm not as concerned about FPS as others probably. However, I don't want to be stuck a few years from now being slowed to a grind on a new release due to a 4K screen and an outdated system either.

(I do play Cities: Skylines once in a while, SimCity 4 previously, which is a memory hog, and is a big resolution vs detailed rendering problem that 4K presents.)

I put in a WNSIB thread, if anyone cares.

Does Best Buy have any 4K 15" laptops on display? i might have to swing by if they do. Not that its a goal to get a 4K screen, I just have to catch up with the times a bit and see what's out there.

 

already replied and I would imagine best buy has at least 1 4k 15 inch laptop on display.

 

Guys, does anyone know a reseller that sells 670RS with 1440p screen? Or 3K or 4K? If not, Is there a possibility to upgrade the panel after buying it? What panel producer would you recommend? Thanks!

 

No one sells it and you can't replace panel after buying it because of something related to a cable that is not available. Unfortunately if you go with the 17" you are tied to the FHD panel

 

Does anyone actually HAVE a p650RS yet? I was just about to order one with a 1070 and 4k screen, but then I saw the Notebook check review of the P650RG saying that it's really noisy (fans) when gaming. This is a big issue for me, and I understand the RG and RS are almost identical.

I've subsequently looked at the MSI GT62VR, which also has a 1070, and according to notebook check, is considerably quieter when gaming. Now I'm torn as to which to go for. I can't find any real reviews of the P650RS, do you guys know of any?

The p650RS would be cheaper than the GT62VR for me, even WITH a 4k screen, which the GT62VR doesn't have, and it's a bit smaller and slightly lighter, but if it's much noisier, then I just can't do it.

 

From what I read, p650rs has much better cooling than gt62vr.

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I had the exqct situation down to same model as you. I ordered the 4k because I went to microcenter and decided the 4k was a ton better for me. I can see the clarity difference, I do not play fast twitch but even when I did I always used 60hz no biggie, I talked to the rep and he said 4k set at 2560x1440 res still looks better than 1080 on a 1080 and these laptops (I later confirmed with my own eyes which he recommended doing). It's gsync so the tearing etc won't be there unless under 30fps, I play similar games like you do where I care more about eye candy. 8gb vram will be plenty for many years. I like turning some settings down and keeping same resolution intended more than turning down resolution (with these new cards you can make any resolution work) oh and noise wise the review early in this thread about temps made me happy about the clevo so I can live with noise. Sorry kind of all over place but writing quickly on phone.

 

Interesting, can you show me what you've read? The ONLY p650 review I've seen is for the P650RG, with a 1060, and that was hotter and noisier than the gt62vr with a 1070, according to NotebookReview anyway.

 

I Should get my P650RS-G today so I will be able to test some games to see how hot it get. I ordered it from Pro-star with the OEM thermal paste

 

Check out the posts of this thread. Somewhere around 20s page.

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I think you're refering to the P651RP6-G review on notebookcheck which is the XMG P507 review. There is a note in the article that states we sent them an updated EC file which improves the fan profile over the stock original Clevo version, however they weren't able to update and test this new EC, therefore the review figures and conclusions are based on the old EC and fan control.

Specifically on the performance against the MSI model, the P651 was:

- louder, yes but it's comparable to the MSI with the current new fan control that every XMG laptop ships with

- hotter, yes and no. The chassis temperatures were warmer than the MSI model, but the GPU temperature was 14C cooler in the P507/P651 under Furmark and the CPU was 8C cooler in Prime95 than the MSI model. I know that one had a 1060 and the other a 1070 but the CPU was the same 6700HQ, it's difficult to show exact comparisons unless both had the same GPU.

 

Chaz, please can you report on the noise levels whilst gaming too please? My wife is very sensitive to noise and I need as much information as possible to decide which laptop to go for.

 

Thanks for your reply, have you tried your 507 with a 1070 gfx card? Can you give me your impressions of temps and fan noise? Or even point me in the direction of a review?

 

That's because Clevo changed their IDs for MP versions. Let me know if they still need help flashing it...it's a rather simple fix...

 

NOTE:

Right click on your Windows VOLUME icon.
Go to Playback Devices
Double Click Speakers or REALTEK Speakers
Choose the tab "LEVELS"
Mute PC Beep.

Everyone with Headphone noise now can thank me!
I´m off to my planet, bye bye.

 

Larry from LPC Digital told me that all of the Sagers that have G-Sync are actually running at 75Hz while in G-Sync, even if the specs say 60Hz. He told me that in order for G-Sync to work, they have to be at 75Hz? Is there a way to confirm this? My NP8351 should arrive by the end of the week, hoping what Larry told me was accurate!

 

Ugh. Thank you so much for clearing that up.
I went completely off the new P650's after seeing that review.

Subjectively, would you say the 1060 and 1070 are relatively similar, noise wise? I'm in the exact same position as @Punchdrunk

 

Hey Prema, will you be releasing a bios mod for this laptop publicly by chance?

I got a NP8153 on the way soon from Sager, and I have loved your Bios and used it on my last 4 Sager laptops, I would hate to miss it on this model. I even did some testing for you years ago.

 

Before I start assuming anything, it appears Prema provides BIOS to enable overclocking, correct? Is there any other benefits provided?

Browsing thru the Prema site there's no obvious "About" section or anything.

Call me basic for not knowing any of this, I guess I haven't played with overclocking in almost 15 years when I was a kid on a much tighter budget and overclocking was a much more risky adventure.

 

Hello, what do you mean by comparable? Any metrics?

 

Thanks for the offer. I wasn't involved in the press sample allocation in Germany but AFAIK they published the review after receiving the new EC but didn't tell us that the new EC wouldn't install. If they had told us it would have been an easy fix as you say,

Please see http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/questions-about-the-new-clevo-p670rs-g.795253/#post-10325669 :

@Punchdrunk

It's a shame to hear that, although the EC fan profile is mentioned in the review and that they had the EC I woudl have thought it better to use that EC and then make their measurements. As I mentioned above however, I wasn't involved in these press samples so I don't know what actual conversations took place.

Unfortunately I don't have any noise measurements from internal sources to compare both GPU models directly. There is a difference but it's not huge at all. Bear in mind that a laptop with the final fan control curves is quieter than in the notebookcheck review, the 1070 will run a little warmer than the 1060 but it won't necessarily be more noisey unless it's really being pushed hard by the GPU and CPU simultaneously. When gaming for example, both the 1060 and 1070 will run well enough to not trigger the top part of the fan curve - you're only going to hit this when benchmarking or Furmark/Prime.

 

You can over clock the GPU and ram without prema. Just like normal, but from what I've read, prema unlocks further potential. Basically removing manufacturer imposed restrictions. So likely you will be able to push things further with the prema bios. As for what else it does I'm not too sure.

 

It is the "Load Average" and "Idle Maximum" that are reduced with the current EC. The other figures in the notebookcheck page are similar to the other models that they have compared the P507 / P651 to. Idle Maximum is usually caused by Windows Defender pushing the CPU usage up 20% and this caused the first fan profile to jump to a higher level - the average idle is in line with the P651S* models. The new EC solves this. The Load Average is a bit higher than some of the others in the comparison table but in the review it results in significantly lower operating temperatures for the CPU and GPU which will result in a lot less throttling - something that can be seen in some slim Pascal laptops. The top end of the fan profile has been smoother out to compensate for this.

There's no point in me posting measurements because notebookcheck contuct their tests at 15cm in a room with 30 db(A) environmental noise and as people don't sit with their ear 15cm from a laptop I don't have any same setup SPL data.

 

let's sum up :
MSI GT62VR vs Clevo P650/GTX 1070
+ quieter (how much with the new EC ?)
- Usually more expansive
- thicker
- heavier
- CPU runs hotter
- no MUX switch optimus/GSYNC (can someone confirm for GT62VR ?)

It's a shame people focus ONLY on the noise or only on the temps ^^, look at everything before making a choice because the P650 has one additionnal fan compared to the GT62VR so it's cooler vs quieter all over again !

 

the notebook check review also found it throttled the GPU. Early testing from obsidian PC showed the 1070 in the clevo maxed out at 77 degrees during stress testing and didn't throttle.

 

Wait, the gt62vr has Optimus? I was considering it as a potential buy...

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No no ! What I meant is that MSI does NOT offer the choice Gsync or optimus, it's Gsync only .

 

Okay, then it's the other way around haha.

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Some msi model has optimus like the gs series and what i know you cant turn it off and result will be like this

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Anyone who received their P650 P670 RP6 whats power brick wattage and output info? Thanks~

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P670 200watt

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Default on clevo is dedicated GPU only as that's required for gsync. The external ports are also wired straight to the dedicated GPU even if you have mshybrid mode enabled. You can go into the bios and toggle a mux switch to me hybrid mode which is basically a more modern version of Optimus. This will give better battery life but you lose gsync. Basically you only have Optimus if you want it.

 

Thanks for the answer. This kind of "review" can hurt convinced people ;-)

 

I guess that's what I do;-) Noise is one "feature". For some feature have more or less weight.

 

Hi.

I have P650RS-G with Core i7-6820HK, GeForce GTX 1070 and 1080p screen.

Notebook works fine except one problem. In discrete gpu mode (mshybrid disabled) I have problems with external monitors. Anytime I connect external display notebook starts constantly generating "6f" interrupt causing 100% usage of one cpu core. On Windows it is visible as System Process, on Linux it is visible as kworker process. Tested on multiple driver versions. It looks like It is either problem with my hardware or bug in BIOS/UEFI. This problem doesn't appear in mshybrid mode.

Does anyone have similar problem?

 

Did you overclock the cpu? Would you share your Temps with automatic fan profile?

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