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It's weird that mshybrid mode would fix it. The discrete GPU is wired directly to all the external ports so mshybrid shouldn't change anything there. Btw it's setup that way mainly for VR headsets. Maybe it does something on the software side of things that fixes it for whatever reason.

 

My CPU is set to defaults. Right now I have about 38C on CPU and 43C on GPU. I had 85C on both CPU and GPU after 40minut session of running simultaneously Linx and Furmark. At 85C cooler started running faster preventing temperature to rise.

I have found workaround for linux:

"sudo -s
echo "disable" > /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe6F"

This blocks problematic interrupt. After that cpu usage is 0% with external display. I still don't have workaround for Windows and don't know root cause of the problem.

 

Working FINE? I have the exact same model and my CPU downclocks at the site of its own god damn shadow. I'm on the verge of returning it.

Try running a game and note the CPU voltage/frequency.

As for your problem, I had the same issue. I solved it by downloading http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/ going to the particular process, right clicking, going properties, go to threads, and "suspend" the problem thread.

Annoying, but I'm 95% sure it's a bios bug.

 

hei guys who bought from HID Evolution recently a 10xx laptop?

 

I have it overclocked to 4.1ghz.

Mine can be overclocked to 4.3ghz stable with +65mv, but it downclocks from some other random retard power limiting/bios/ec feature so I don't.

CPU caps out at 90c on automatic profile and 86c on full power during CPU bench.

 

4.1ghz quite good OC. The Temps are kinda high though

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I'm experiencing similar issues with my P650RP6-G.
I've only had a short time with it but either the GPU or CPU are definitely throttling under load. I get random and very noticeable FPS drops when playing games (from 150 down to 30 in BF4 and microstuttering in Rise of the Tomb Raider).
I need to do more tests and check the temps and clocks under load.
Turning the fans to max power (Fn+1) seems to solve the issue. I also noticed they recommend doing so in the manual.

I'm also having an issue when MSHybrid graphics mode is selected. The PC refuses to do a full shutdown or restart.

 

Is it normal if the fans start running when I only watch youtube and do light task ? Is there a way to customize a fan profile where I can choose the fan speed according to the temperatures

 

Just ordered p650rsg at gentchpc. Will report after I get it, which is about two weeks...

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I got my P650RS yesterday
i7 6700HQ+GTX1070
aida64 fpu stress for 10 minutes ,cpu temp is 83
furmark for 10minutes,gpu temp is 76 ,and gpu clock is about 1320mhz
3dmark 13 fire strike extreme stress test for 10minutes cpu temp 75,gpu temp 76
here is my 3dmark result
fse: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14486832? graphic score is 8041
time spy: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14486637? graphic score is 5311
and the result of 150mhz GPU OC
fse: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14487288? graphic score is 8320
time spy: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14487045? graphic score is 5643

 

Thanks! What thermal paste and did the OC cause the GPU to downclock any?

 

Note the embarrassing max Turbo Blocks. *COUGH PREMA HALP*

 

original thermal paste, about downclock, during the benchmark,the gpu clock can boost to 1760-1800

 

How's the fan noise during gaming?

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a little loud ,but acceptable,you can check the P650RP6 review in notebookcheck,my friend have a P650RP6, the noise is similar

 

Great temperature, great performance. Much better than gt62vr.

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I am looking to upgrade from a four year old P150-EM to a P650RS.

1. I have been comparing resellers and some list the laptop as P650RS and others P650RS-G. I don't see that there is difference with the -G appended. Is there?

2. One of the resellers (Pro-Star) doesn't list a "special" version of the P650RS, but they list a P653RS-GS which appears to be the same as a P650-RS "special" when compared to other resellers. The Clevo website doesn't list a P653RS. Is this a typo at Pro-Star?

3. How does the recovery media work? If I purchase Windows 10 Pro pre-installed and opt for "USB Recovery Media," does that mean the original Windows 10 software is on the USB recovery media? So, if I need to reformat and install WIndows clean in the future, I can do it all from the USB?

 

Theyre all the same asides from some different reseller options. It could honesty be a typo as even other sellers mislabelled models for first few days... Also I would assume they send you the windows 10 usb stick which would indeed have everything!



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The G means gsync. The -S or special is only for the sagers. Sager basically took the most commonly added options and made them the default and gives you a bit of a discount on them. For the p650rs I believe it's a 256gb SSD, 16gb ram, ic diamond cooling paste and 30 day no dead pixel guarantee. Basically if you are going to add those anyways get the special. It's cheaper than adding them to the non -S version. I'm not sure what the p653 is supposed to be. I assume recovery media is for if you need to reinstall windows in the future. Though all you really need is the windows product key. You can make your own recovery media easily by downloading it off Microsoft's site.

 

Thanks Kittys and Xileforce. The only reseller I recall without the -G on the product name was XoticPC, yet the display options indicate GSYNC. XoticPC was also the only reseller that doesn't offer USB recovery media. They list "System Recovery Manufacturer Backup Disks," which seems odd as there is no optical drive.

 

Yea some label it -G but if you add the gsync display to the normal one it's the same thing. It's odd that they give it in a disc... Maybe they assume you will use a USB optical drive.

Edit: actually I think p650rs can only come with a gsync display so you don't even have to add it.

 

Xotic added 51 and 71 and made 52 and 72 models default to gsync few days ago. I would worry less on exact model and grab the one with specs you want and options as its all the same units just different base configs for you to mess around with as a starting point.

I would definitely message xotic in the morning to ask about recovery media but you can buy 5 dollar usb drive and do it yourself too!

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Has anyone been able to get the Synaptic touchpad software to stop three button tapping from opening Cortana? I usually use three button tap as middle click and I've tried disabling Cortana but it still opens up the search menu.

 

thanks for your feedbacks people who actually got the new clevo machines .

So to sum up :
+ Good performance
- Some weird throttling issues for some
+ Good temps (but that point depends on OC, thermal paste etc)

I just want to add my 0.02 : when I got my p650SG I had some stuttering/ mini-throttling problem it vanished with a bios/ec update. So who knows ?

 

I just bought my build yesterday, and it's a no-brainer to get the 4K Display IMO. I made a detailed post earlier in be thread.

 

I just think that the 1070 is still not fit for 4K, maybe with Volta i could jump to quad HD (720P * 4 not 1080p * 4).

 

Hmm, do we have any benchmarks for 4k on a 1070 in a P650RS? Can anyone provide a few? Witcher 3 would be ideal.

I've seen benchmarks of a 1070 in a desktop at 4k and it could handle Witcher 3, but I've not seen benchmarks at 4k in a laptop yet...

 

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Mobile-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Laptop.169548.0.html

 

My German is non-existent, but it looks like 34-38 fps in Witcher 3 at 4k?? I don't know what laptop they're testing it in though?


Other question, if I got a 4k screen, but set the resolution to 2k, would it scale properly? If it does, that should give me the higher resolution advantages, whilst still presumably having a high fps... (why do no laptops come with 2k screens? you'd think they'd fit a 1070 better than a 4k...)

 

that's how I read it. ~37 fps in Witcher 3. Idk if that's with hair works on though. That kills fps. 4k is probably a bit much for gaming on the 1070 at 60fps in more graphically intense games but you could always just lower the resolution in game. As In run the game at 2k for example. Someone else said the scaling was fine.

Edit:
Also for reference Pascal laptop cards should be within about 10% of their desktop cards according to Nvidia. Mostly just due to thermal constraints. So you can use that as a reference point if looking at benches on the desktop card.

 

You are right. I didn't test this laptop enough. My CPU also downclocks without reason. It looks like this problem also appears only when MSHYBRID is disabled. I read more about "6f" interrupt and it might be related to managing states in Skylake CPUs. I came to conclusion that this Clevo has different CPU state management profile for discrete mode which is broken and is responsible for CPU downclocking and these interrupts. We need BIOS/UEFI update. Without that this model is unusable.

 

are you guys running Windows 10? i heard those models are made for Windows 10 and another OS might bring up problems

 

Do you have the 6820HK as well? Are others having this issue with the 6700?

Also, the downclocking is all the time, not just when connected to external display? (The two issues seem to merge into one in some posts)

I was going to order today, but now you guys have me worried. It sounds like a BIOS fix would surely be in order from Clevo (would Prema get there first? Or does Prema not touch the problem area?)

I decided I'm not going to get 4K, for two reasons:
1. It's a matte screen still, so I don't think I would get as much enjoyment from the extra resolution. I could always buy an external 4K monitor down the line as they continue to get cheaper and plug it in when I really want the extra resolution.
2. I want this laptop to last 3-5 years, and while I assume that I'll mainly be playing Civ 6 still, I don't want to stifle performance for any other game I might play down the road in that timespan.

BTW, is there a matte vs glossy thread somewhere so I can vent that all the laptops seem to be ditching glossy? I'm very unhappy about that, but it looks like I really don't have a choice.

 

I was also going to order today and am now hesitating again. (sigh)

re the 4k screen, I'm definitely going for it, because even if future games stifle performance, I can just drop the resolution to 1080p. But with a 4k screen I get the benefit in windows/work and also in whatever games I can provide the fps in 4k.

 

That review has been translated. It isn't very promising.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-P507-Clevo-P651RP6-G-Notebook-Review.172321.0.html

 

Not sure what your point is? That's a different model, with a different graphics card and not a 4k screen?

 

They have some benchmarks for a 4K screen too in the review. But that's with a 1060. I feel like a 1070 is sort-of borderline for 4K gaming.

 

Even 1070 is not. 4K is for screen real estate out of games period and just a marketing push beyond that. Unless your going into a 1070 SLI or 1080 SLI machine 4K for gamings never going to be buttery or future proof. Gaming.. the 75-100hz OC gsync panels and non gsync 120hz once available again is where it will be at!

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That is basically how I feel too. I will not be getting the 4K screen even with a 1070 because I feel that in order to play any games I would have to lower the resolution anyways. I think the 1080p with g-sync on a 75hz screen is going to look lovely.

 

Sorry didn't specify my main concern. The temperature, noise and throttling sections worried me, since the chassis is almost identical except for a few extra mm thickness.

 

Ahh ok, I raised that concern myself a few pages back, and a rep from XMG replied that there was an EC profile update that makes the fans quieter, that NotebookCheck had not applied.
It's a concern for me too however, the p650RS was noticeably noisier than the MSI GT62 in NotebookCheck's testing. I'm not sure that a settings tweak will make that much difference. I just wish more reviews were available...

 

Maybe we have different expectations? I thought those parts read pretty well...

"Often larger 15-inch notebooks also reach an average of 29 °C (~84 °F) when idling and 40 °C (~104 °F; top side) and 42 °C (~108 °F; underside) during the stress test. We measured a maximum of 53 °C (~127 °F) on the underside. Hence, you should avoid gaming on the lap. On the positive side, the palm rests never exceed 30 °C (~86 °F)." And: "However, the temperatures remained uncritical even after an hour of full load with the FurMark and Prime95 tools. Just under 80 °C (~176 °F) at the Core i7-6700HQ and about 70 °C (~158 °F) at the slightly throttling GTX 1060 (this is rather due to FurMark than to the cooling system), are alright, since the CPU Turbo is still slightly used."

As for the noise there is a BIOS update out already as I understand it. I guess nothing I read here changed my mind about getting the P670.

 

I had the P650SG with a 980M GTX and well...it wasn't that noisy ^^

Extra thickness .... + one extra heatpipe.

I don't know what do you want more than :

I don't think you realize how good those temps are after one hour of stress testing and with generic thermal paste
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And bear in mind that the 1060 rear chassis is in METAL : heat conduction, the other 1070 version is in ABS. so it will be less hot on your lap.

 

My 650RS arrived from Xotic last night. It doesn't indicate -G but it is Gsync. I also ordered the backup disk, which is in fact a USB drive.

 

Real sorry if this has been answered before, but I am a little confused about G-sync and GPU switching.

On the Sager website, they advertise user-switchable GPU capabilities.

Is this the same as Optimus, and hence, will it be completely disabled if you have a G-SYNC screen? I am considering getting a G-SYNC screen option, but I don't want to lose out on the battery saving GPU switching.

 

Theres the caveat then. Gsync only works in non hybrid modes meaning 1060/1070 will be running everything not igpu. You can enable hybrid but then can't use gsync...which means if you want gsync badly well a reboot is needed everytime youde like to switch. Takes a few seconds but it is what it is for now.



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My 650RS-G arrived yesterday. What tests would you recommend I run to share here? Are there preferred programs for this?

I ordered it without branding, so no logos. It's gorgeous. Just a thin, flat black aluminum chassis. Quiet as a mouse when tooling around in windows, though I expect that will change quickly when I fire up the DGPU.

 

3Dmark, Unigin Valley, Unigine Heaven 4.0 are good tests .
so you have a GTX1060 right ?

 

Oops, sorry. Forgot the insides.
GTX1070. Similar setup to yours but I got suckered into the 6820 which I will almost certainly never OC.

 

Hey guys, I've asked this before and got a couple of answers, but let me try again now that everyone is ordering their Clevos. What manufacturer did you go with for RAM and the SSD/HD? My plan is on 16gb RAM, 256gb SSD, and 1tb HD if that matters.