*** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

4K -> 1080p is exactly a factor of 4 (i.e. half the resolution in each dimension). There shouldn't be any scaling fuzziness like what you would get going from 1440p to 1080p.

 

Interesting question. I got the 650rs special that supposedly includes ICD, and temps were great (mid-60s average CPU and gpu, max at 80) for about 6 weeks, and now temps are rising. I ordered Gelid extreme and will be reposting this weekend.

 

That's interesting. I've used ICD on at least a dozen overclocked desktop builds over the years and it has a really long cure time, comparatively. Where it usually doesn't conduct heat as well, and then over the course of a few hours to a couple days (depending on loads) it will slowly drop a couple degrees and settle in. What are you using to test load and test temperatures with? Have the tests been 100% identical @ max load?

To be honest I've yet to see any evidence that thermal paste breaks down in some way over time or degrades in performance. I have overclocked machines running 24/7 for almost 5 years without any measurable increase in temperatures. I've worked in places with numerous 15+year old machines that wouldn't overheat (if not dusty) either. The only time I'd worry about repasting is obviously when you're removing the heatsink for any reason.

I like Gelid Extreme better. It seems to have slightly better performance, you don't have to worry about it scratching the CPU when moving heatsink or cleaning (ICD does this easily - and if you're anal you'll polish the IHS and heatsink afterwards), and gelid is much easier to apply.

 

I'd consider running a similar test on my system but man... I don't recognize any of the tools you're using or understand how to read the results.

 

I think that is "Intel extreme tuning utility" and "MSI afterburner". Try Google for a link or they may be listed on @Phoenix Software Updates thread on this forum.

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Great! Be waiting to see if ICD comes off properly. I'm still deciding if I should go for the ICD option with my upcoming purchase or simply go with the stock ones they slap on in the factory and then go about repasting with a better one if needed.

It appears, for one reason or another, everyone have their favorite brand/compound

 

You guys might also want to check in with the "[Liquid Metal & Traditional Paste] - Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172)" though they focus on a Clevo that uses a desktop CPU.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...dm2-3-g-p75xdm2-g-sager-np9152-np9172.795911/

I believe @Jared_T has experience repasting a P650RS-G. @Xileforce, did you repaste yours?

 

Hi man! How things are going with Avell? Did they try to solve you problem? Or they are going to change your laptop?
You bought your in Brazil, right? Did you notice that they now give just one year warranty in hardware? and 3 in labor?

 

Hi there guys. please do help me out on this one.
I tried to update my NP8151 with the BIOS provided by Gooface, only to find that it is not compatible. After that, I tried to exit the BIOS update. All seems to be fine, but however, one of my M.2 slot is no longer functioning. Please help me out.

 

My testing isn't the most scientific (no benchmarks), but pretty much the only game I play is Final Fantasy 14, and those temps are based on HWinfo readings during FF14 play sessions.

 

It's what should happens. But if sometimes the panel is just weird. Like on AW15 R2's 4k scaled down to 1080p looks noticeably fuzzy compared to the 1080p panel

 

I think I'm going to order P650-RS-G
4k, optimized, 30 day pixel
6820k, coolab paste
32G ram (overkill for photoshop / gaming)
512 Samsung 950 boot
1TB Samsung 850 data
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People seem to like hid
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Look good? I do some photography and would like to do some gaming (first person shooter).
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This is to last 3 - 4 years. Around house, at editing station.
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I'll miss a touch screen for quick edits. I have MS Surface Pro 2 that's adequate for edits and will be the 'goto' for trips.

 

Hey, man! I've been in touch with a technician during the day. He asked me to run some tests and ran the same ones in their shop, and found that power issue to be normal. I asked him if he could run GTA V tests.

During the day, I tested some different settings and resolutions in GTA V, and could get the GPU to use 93-95% of its performance. I found out in a review they were getting the same usage. As for XCOM 2, after setting a higher resolution, its performance cranked up. The only one that still presents limited GPU usage is Project Cars: either I get around 50-60% usage in high settings or 99% with around 50 fps in both cases. I wasn't able to find a middle ground.

Anyway, as it is, I'll wait and see what Avell say. In all other games I'm getting good performance in higher downsampled resolutions in games with poor performance in 1080p. Depending on how it rolls (I believe Avell won't replace it for a new one, considering it's been more than 7 days since I received it, probably they'll just try to fix it).

About warranty, I'm aware of the new policies. My last notebook was an Avell bought last year and it was already like this.

 

I bought NP8153-S back in late August. Anyone having issue with monitor switching off? Even connecting external display to hdmi wont work. Sometimes it is followed with the laptop shutting down or back fan (dgpu fan) spinning at max speed. It might happen any time while using the laptop or even at boot but it is a lot more common to happen when connecting/disconnecting usb/headphone jack or increasing fan speed to maximum.

It is not Windows related because I am dual booting Ubuntu and same issue. I would say it is a lot more common in Ubuntu especially the headphone jack as it doesn't switch properly.

I am assuming it is power related. Note that laptop is always plugged in while in use. I hope it can be fixed with a bios update. Can anyone, who bought the laptop at a newer date, check the bios version. Mine is American Megatrends Inc. 1.05.03LS2 released on 2016-08-25.

 

And all was laptops?

 

Anyone come to a P650RS/NP8153 from a Razer or similar 13 - 14 thin and light notebook? Did you immediately love it or was there an adjustment period?

I am looking at replacing my Razer. I was planning to just get a new one, but happened on this as an interesting alternative, especially with the 1070 (and for less than the Razer too). I'm a huge fan of the Razer. I use it as an alternative to my work computer (boring HP), and work has multiple locations, so I walk around with it a lot and it goes in and out of my bag several times a day. I only game on it occasionally at best, but I like to know that I can when I want to (I have a DTR for real gaming) and of course for any plane travel I would take this and not the DTR.

 

How would the enclosure of a motherboard alter the chemical properties of thermal paste that is the exact same material, between metals that are the same, operating at the same target temperature? Sure there's some differences in die design and overall size but you're essentially measuring the conductivity efficiency of the paste between the IHS lid and the heatsink over time, those variables are identical enough to translate to this scenario.

If you have some evidence to the contrary please provide, as I noted above I was only speaking from my personal experience in high-end (mostly overclocked) desktops. Most of my laptop repair/support experience would come from corporate level laptops which aren't really the same target temperature and no one bothers to do things like chart temperatures over time, thus I didn't bother to mention it. I have definitely seen countless 5-10 year old stock laptops that don't "overheat" (to the point of throttling or thermal shutdown), FWIW (not much).

 

I think @Mr. Fox can show you the images http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ips-before-i-start.741745/page-5#post-9520969 The pict is broken in this forum.
Thermal paste can degrade after a short while, especially if you overclock hardware in laptops. I have no data on this ... But I ruined my paste after a short while with benching my overcloced Hotwell i7-4930Mx (Aw17). Only Liquid ultra worked for me.

 

Desktops have much higher mounting pressures. You'll have differences in exposure to air and leakage etc.

 

As well Desktop have better quality on heatsink. And run normally colder.

 

I had a different problem. At first sometimes it didn't recognize the 1070. I run in hybrid mode. Then on reboot it would, then the 1070 started dying after a few minutes in games, then a few seconds, then totally dead. Now the laptop still worked with intel graphics, but I had to RMA it because the 1070 died. And I tried the latest bios sent from Sager and it didn't help. I asked if there was a way to flash the 1070 bios and they replied no. Which I find hard to believe since I flash normal video card bioses all the time. I had one of the first ones and thought the 1070 might have an old bios. But my advice is run the laptop like it came configured with windows and if everything works don't worry about it. If you can't get the screen to come on then RMA it. I always keep an acronis image of the right out of the box drive (or remove the drive and install my own) so that I can always go back to right from the factory and see if my problem is really in the hardware or in the software since I owned it.

 

The issue is that I sent it to RMA 5 days after I bought it to remove most of the backlight bleeding. I noticed others having same issue here but mine was a little more extreme. That took around 3 weeks. So sending it again would take another 3 weeks. I am also not able to reproduce the issue consistently so I am worried that they will just ship it back and charge me shipping.

I am not able to determine whether the issue is from graphic card or bios. The HDMI port and the display switch off but the fan is working. I am kinda worried because these black screen which happens once every 2-3 days might mess up my work and prevent me from saving it. I am going to open a technical support request with them soon to check for possible solution.

Anyway if you still have the latest bios installed, can you tell me the version. Also, if there is a change log file inside the bios you got from Sager, can you post it here. Thank you.

Edit: I switched to hybrid mode. It is highly likely a hardware issue or power issue with my 1070. I switched the fan to maximum and the graphic card shutdown. This time the screen didn't shutdown because it is powered by the intel graphic card. I also noticed the keyboard backlight leds powered off and on as if power went out for an instant. I guess the graphic card losses power on sudden load increase. I will definitely send techincal support request and possibly RMA in coming days.

 

I just got my unit and I will let you know. I guess the pentile display could do weird things.

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Looking for a comparison of thermal compunds? I recommend this thread from the PCGHX Forums: http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/e...-2015-47-waermeleitpasten-im-test-update.html

The guy who done it (der8auer) is a well known overclocker, who helped develop the cryonaut series.

Best regards

phila

 

Liquid metal is great but its a pain. Ive used it in extreme temp cases like the old asus GV50 series but it does leave permanent marks on the contact points.

Kryo and ICD is good unless your having temp issues as its not so messy to remove

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The best can also depend on the fit of the heatsink.

 

Hei guys! Do you know to say if it is possible to install the prema bios (when available) in laptops that wasn't bought with HID? I want to bu with them (because they are the only one who offers international warranty) but they're are the most expensive re-seller!

 

I have a similar setup to yours and had it shut down on me once. I'm not aware of what triggered it. I'll force the fans to max later today and see if that causes any issue running in discrete with an external monitor.

 

@Meaker@Sager Hi please do help me. I have a P650RP6 without G-sync (NP8151) which I flash the BIOS provided by @gooface , not knowing it was not meant for the P650RP6-G model and P650RS. Though the installation was rejected as the BIOS was wrong, after I managed to boot to Windows, one of my M.2 SSD was not recognized by both the Windows 10 and the BIOS. I suspect my BIOS is damaged in some way and that I need a fresh install of the stock BIOS. However, I do not have the BIOS file for this model and my Reseller, XoticPC, stated that I should refer to Sager directly on this matter, but when I contact Sager through email, I received no response. So please do advise me on what to do now. Thank you very much.

 

Yesterday I got another Sager, this time a P670RS. I was pleased to see that it shipped with the latest BIOS 1.05.04! It also has the Sager logo, so for those of you with the Style Note boot up screen that would prefer your Sager logo, it exists... but not sure how you can get it. Contacting Sager, I suppose?

I quickly tested it for VR again, hoping that the new BIOS would have resolved the performance problems. It did not solve them completely. As I'd suspected, it was a combo platter of issues. There is still some kind of bottleneck in Discrete mode. Frame times are delayed fairly regularly, resulting in stuttering and hitching. HOWEVER - for some reason, in mshybrid mode, VR works flawlessly. Yay! I don't know what that implies... whether it's an Nvidia issue, another BIOS bug, or something to do with the way the dGPU and iGPU are wired up.

On a sad note, my display arrived with a stuck pixel in the middle of my display. I opted for the 90 day no dead pixel and color calibration, so it's disappointing that they wouldn't have caught that during the build process, but I suppose it could have happend during shipping or something. After hearing stories of people not getting a response from Sager support, I'm worried it will cost me $100+ in shipping and take a loooong time to send it back and have the display swapped.

I do have some light bleed in two corners, but it's less noticeable than it was on my P650RS.

 

Edit: I guess I hit submit twice. Whoops! I'll turn this post into something else I wanted to bring up...

There was a discussion here earlier about the vacuum cooler... this seems like it should be a joke, but I ordered one and am surprised how well it works. In FireStrike stress tests, it lowered CPU and GPU temps from 77/79 to 72/74... an average of 5 degrees each. This was with the vacuum cooler fan on max. If I hold my finger on the rubber seal/gasket thingie, I get an even better seal and get closer to 10 degrees less. So, um... wow! That's significantly better than the 1-3 degree drop I can get with a laptop cooler (but the fans don't really line up with this laptop, to be fair).

Here is the vacuum cooler I ordered:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E3Q7FS6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The Linus Tech Tips review that was mentioned earlier:

 

Why can't the 670 have a 4k option? The dtr' s all do.

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Question to those of you running without the GEForce Experience application, do you still have the nvidia tray icon in the lower right corner of your screen? I don't see mine anymore and in the nvidia control panel, I don't have the option to enable the tray icon under the "Desktop" menu.

 

Send an email to [email protected] and ask for Allen. Or call Sager and ask for Allen. This forum is not the place to ask for support like that.

You are the first person I have seen with issues with the bios I posted, and it should have not done anything to your bios if it had a miss match error.

 

I just emailed their techsupport via website. I would like Style Note to go away! Thanks for this.

 

Update: Issue reapeared. Check progress here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-owners-lounge.795090/page-356#post-10373506



I contacted Sager and they sent me a bios update. The new version is 1.05.04LS2. The original bios was 1.05.03LS2.

From initial testing, it appears the bios indeed FIXED the issue with the 1070 GPU crashing with load change. I could host it publicly for other users but I might need mod approval. Also, I am not an expert on bios but can someone confirm whether the bios files are generic or locked to laptop's serial number (like signing it with serial number). I sent them my laptop's serial number when I requested technical support.

I posted md5 and sha1 of files inside the zip I got below if anyone wants to verify they got same files. You can use bash on ubuntu on windows to quickly check the files with

Code:

m5sum -c MD5_TXTFILE

or

Code:

sha1sum -c SHA1_TXTFILE

where MD5_TXTFILE or SHA1_TXTFILE is content of below respectively and in same folder.

Spoiler: md5

Code:

5a5b7d5b9173d65b20614460c4de6fde  AfuEfix64.efi
0ed9ec4dc2cfb45fb576fcd3be959204  eol.nsh
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e  error.log
91f1be5dcd1200c372822360c564b541  flashme.nsh
b68b127e2f7a8dbcfacf1f4b5e682cf7  FLASH.nsh
54b341bf9ea9496a0ed53c097c67ed85  fparts.txt
8e645b4e1b9646298ef5ad8d07434970  fpt.efi
5eed499be189bb5bd1581cc80a0f348c  GMsdmx64.efi
26f32da9f1ce0d8643257b289cffbfc5  MeSet.efi
57f5283d1cf55d5a5934d59212498ad0  MeSetX64.efi
c6bfa7f0f743ccc43724f76d036df87c  OAIDEFIx64.EFI
062cd0e81aa437baedb7922c6385f60e  P6XRX.04
e135798963e448bb5c133322f2d11bd0  P6XRX04.LS2
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e  sager.txt
1e1387f12a18097db7a145b9972c0b94  Shellx64.efi
3ab62eea78de0d29d769385b9af646fe  startup.nsh
502a67a2c560b5bd836d957defbf8c51  WMeset.exe
dfda6361a5637a57cbffd42f1749ef5f  yes.txt

Spoiler: sha1

Code:

fc39121a250867f2c429a48ef8024132c12e2941  AfuEfix64.efi
f937894bb5e8e18a2ee503c97f839d2546999639  eol.nsh
da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709  error.log
4d394f71cb2e6c03b24d7a612f63c1241d5a91fc  flashme.nsh
65b3409d5608b4959bc90daea68fb91d59b51ea9  FLASH.nsh
f0b968b2a696aba444d4ca6f38a7459f10a51758  fparts.txt
3dd471177b644854a1a38b92728134cc16bb5b9e  fpt.efi
ca11982d6c337b74080ca659917af895d7a74393  GMsdmx64.efi
7a0d4ceaabc980f32f634cc766b85d34425add78  MeSet.efi
a56963a402e0b938ef644c5241cade33a42d3bc9  MeSetX64.efi
349dace04e7e105b663c0c9a29563743c218ee1e  OAIDEFIx64.EFI
b459e4766ce997d1a9a18117cc8bafd36b3bd664  P6XRX.04
b97f8e52e8a46c7f27c6b82607b73761c9b0bdbd  P6XRX04.LS2
da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709  sager.txt
4f0ee2a453661d724870fc3f84f6cede135de4ba  Shellx64.efi
b8e057ce35b3694e77f20898404535615a844734  startup.nsh
3747763b9ecf092fdcae7e3e32cb297acf9189a0  WMeset.exe
9356278188dd05b4d6b59fde1520f21a88e926d1  yes.txt

 

Hello, I finally got my sager P670RS with windows 10 preinstalled and now I have a problem that my laptop reboots without warning randomly in every 30 min, maybe someone knows what can cause this? I even didnt change a thing from the moment I got it, just turned it on and didn't touch it because was busy with my work, but noticed this reboots happening.

Update: seems like when laptop is in bios this reboots doesn't happen, dont know if it it means anything

 

I had something similar.
Bought in late August, everything was fine initially, then the 1070 started resetting itself occasionally, with the display going black for a couple of seconds. This started to be more frequent, until the display didn't turn on at all anymore (both with external and internal display). When I managed to get to BIOS and turn on hybrid graphics mode, then it worked for a bit on the internal graphics, until something made it switch to the 1070 again.
Described the problem to the Clevo reseller, they think they have to change the motherboard, so I guess the 1070 is dead.
Sent it to the service department on Tuesday, waiting for a new one now.

Edit: Forgot to mention that did a BIOS update from 1.05.01 to 1.05.04 on it before, didn't change a thing.

 

I had this problem. It happened especially when the notebook was ideling.
First: What Bios are you on?!
Second: Download "Whochrashed" and let it analyze the crash logs - bet it`s a kernel issue.
Third: You could try to disable the Clevom Center in Autostart (It gave me parmanent errors on the Windows "reliabiliy monitor" - you can check there).

Still I have to admit, that I had mine RMAed for this reason. It came back with a new bios. And perhaps a completely new mainboard - but now it works.

Best regards

phila

 

My P650RS (with 1080p and 6820HK) arrived from HID yesterday after about 3 weeks since placing the order; it was perfectly packaged with no damage, dents, dead pixels, etc. although keyboard wasn't completely snapped into place around the edges. BIOS and EC are one version behind the most recent, but I won't be using an external monitor so haven't bothered to update yet.
It's heavier than I expected, but still much thinner then my NP8660 (admittedly that was 7 years ago)
Screen color, gamma, contrast all seem good right out of the box. Some light bleed on lower right and lower left side, but only noticeable on a full-black screen. It improves if I lift the bezel a bit with my fingernail, but I don't notice it at all in games so I doubt I'll try to mod the screen.
The keys are weirdly smooth and perfectly flat, I feel like they have enough depth where a little bit of concave would have been possible like my E7450 (work laptop). I also kind of wish the arrow keys and numpad weren't integrated so well with the rest of the keys, I guess there will be a bit of a learning curve I suppose.
I'm still going through settings and installing software/games, but I played some GW2 and temps were fine, mid-60s CPU and mid-50s GPU. I'll run some other games tonight and check everything again but my initial impressions are very good, and I'm excited to be playing PC games again after a long break.

If I run only one benchmark to test the temps, what should it be?

 

Sadly old version 1.05.03LS2

Will try your suggestions now, also after some tests figured out that reboots happen only when I am connected to the internet by Wi-fi, didn't test it yet with cable connection.

Update: Whochrashed showed:
description: Killer Bandwidth Control Filter Driver
Bug check description: This indicates that a kernel-mode driver attempted to access pageable memory at a process IRQL that was too high.
This appears to be a typical software driver bug and is not likely to be caused by a hardware problem.
A third party driver was identified as the probable root cause of this system error. It is suggested you look for an update for the following driver: bwcw10x64.sys (Killer Bandwidth Control Filter Driver, Rivet Networks, LLC.).

So as I inderstood I should update this driver and it will be fixed

 

I did manually force my 1070 fans to max yesterday and could not reproduce your crashing. I'm on a 650 rs-g (same as 8153-S) with a 1070 and 6820.

Interesting that you got a newer version of the BIOS. I updated to Goo's 1.05.03a a few weeks ago but since things are running smoothly I may wait a few iterations before refreshing again.

 

Interesting. Did you order one for the GPU and one for the CPU since they use different exhaust ports? What's the noise like?

I wonder if there is any impact on internal fan longevity, since by "sucking" the air out of the fan port it must be speeding up the internal fans.

 

Killer Networkdirver messed with my last notebook (MSI GT72) So updating the driver to the latest Version could be it. You as well could start by disabeling the Killer Suite in Auto start.

Best regards

phila

 

For temperature testing of only processor... Cinbench R15 and Wprime 1024M stress test.
The whole system... Heaven, 3DM suite and 3DM11.
Download from bro @Phoenix thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/phoenix-software-updates.794490/

 

Reinstalled drivers and the problem is gone now. Thank you for help!

 

Okay, I'm trying to establish some baseline temps on my new Clevo (Evoc) P650RS-G. The CPU is the 6820HK
This is the stock settings (no attempts at OC on my part):

[ Any tips on doing this right would be great ]

wPrime v1.55 1024M with 1 threads 1072sec
Clock speed did not exceed 3.6GHz
Max voltage was 1.25V
Max temp per core 62C

wPrime v1.55 1024M with 8 threads 220.609sec
Max temp per core 61C
(voltage and freq same as above)

Cinebench score 685cb
Max temp per core was 58C
(voltage and freq same as above)

 

According to HWInfo, my DDR4-2400 RAM is running at 1200.5

Should it be running at 2400 or is that not how it works?

 

Double the clock to get the effective clock.

 

You mean I should double the clock rate in the BIOS?

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