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Yep, I soon realized it wasn't enough. Thanks

 

So I finally know how to undervolt my CPU using Throttlestop - I have one last question though. I want to start my undervolting with -150mV and I must apply that to CPU Core, CPU Cache and also the Intel GPU right? But is that really necessary since I'm in discrete mode I thought the Intel GPU is off and therefore I dont know if I should change that one as well

 

Just wanted to let you know that the latest beta of HWINFO now supports showing the fan-speeds on our P650RS.

 

Well ok there's a few things wrong there... Aren't you using that with the P650RS? That has an even better DAC than what @baytotheapple has. It's using the same DAC chip that's in my OPPO HA-2, so yes you should easily be able to tell the difference on your clouds because that thing is probably better than the Fiio one.

You can easily tell the difference between an iPhone DAC and a dedicated DAC (even with like Apple earpods), what I'm saying is the P650 has a dedicated one. Since your already at that point your going to experience diminishing returns. A Fiio isn't going to blow you away way more than the DAC inside the P650RP, and I don't think it even sounds better than the SABRE chip inside the RS models.

baytotheapple has the worse one in his P650, but its still a decent DAC chip that beats normal integrated sound by a mile. So I'm saying since it already has good sound, a good entry level DAC won't be much of a difference, so I'm not sure it's worth paying 80 bucks for.

If you want to jump up to something way higher than that (like an ODAC or HA-2), I'd recommend getting a higher end pair of headphones first.

Basically a DAC sounds better with nearly any pair of headphones, however, since all the P650 models already have nice, to impressive DACs, I'm saying I don't think you'll notice a large difference between the in built DAC and a Fiio DAC with HyperX clouds. The placebo term was more referring to trying to tell the difference on clouds between the Fiio Dac and inbuilt one in the Clevo. And I only meant that with clouds. I can tell the difference with my ie800s but even then I don't think it's like an impressive difference. Your noticing a big difference on the HyperX clouds more because they are getting adequate power from the amp I would say (it makes a huge difference).

 

So... A few things. Please avoid the SSHD. Those are garbage for longevity get an HDD and add the SSD yourself instead.

Next, Eurocom should be a fine place to buy from, that's a nice discount price.

I think your very over worried about the temps. My 6820hk and 1070 can easily handle heavy load without throttling (and staying in the 70s). Granted I have Liquid Ultra on the cpu, but I think if you get IC Diamond paste your temps should be totally fine under gaming load.

If you undervolt the cpu a little bit, you really shouldn't be experiencing problems with temps. Also note that 80C is not really even worrisome... Laptop parts run hotter than desktop, and Clevo getting temps in the 70s is not the norm, MSI and Asus options are mostly running way hotter but they still work just fine.

If your even framelimiting your temps really should not be worrisome. Playing like Black Ops 3 with a frame limiter keeps my temps down in like the low 60s. I haven't even undervolted my cpu yet.

No connectivity issues for the 4K monitor.

 

That's for filthy casuals. Any real audiophile has these: http://cdn.soundandvision.com/images/100318-grandmaster-opener.jpg

And there only 260,000 bucks!

 

I'm not sure which was directed at me and which was directed at the other user as some of the stuff included is stuff I already know e.g giving headphones the amount of juice it needs/should really be getting usually makes the sound much better. Though I def didn't know that the HA-2 had the Sabre in it. Glad to know I got something almost as good included in the price, pity I'm returning t though.

That DAC is rated for up to 150 Ohms afaik, what's the max impedance the port on the RP can get to? 32 maybe? I could be wrong, but that's the most likely scenario. The Sabre DAC uses roughly 48 Ohms for the Clouds (50% more than the 32 from the port) and much higher for my DT1770s.

The Fiio DAC would be a good start if he wants to go down that route as that should do it for the mean time


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And that's for the pair, a real bargain! I used to like reading Audiophile magazine back in the 90's. My room mate at the time had a subscription and I think he believed what he read in there. I found the BS to be pretty funny (I was studying electrical engineering at the time).

On a serious note, would the P650RS(-G) make a good DAW? My recollection is that most of this comes down to software - locking down the OS to avoid latency or lost data and in my case I'd want a multi-channel external ADC/DAC (unfortunately my current Roland unit is Firewire).

 

Well, people, everything was relatively fine until I started to test all my games.

Here is the issue: Almost no game would reach 99% GPU usage, even if in lowest or highest settings. I´ll give you some examples:

- Project Cars: Lowest settings: around 35-40% usage with fps ranging from 55-110. Highest settings: Usage from 55-70% with fps ranging from 50-70 fps. Even if I cap it with VSync or with Afterburner, it still drops to around 50 fps and gives me voltage cap message (CPU around 60% usage).
- Doom: Lowest settings or Ultra - never gets over 94% GPU usage with an average of 80% (CPU stays around 55%). Power throttiling messages happen often.
- GTA V: On lowest: from 35-50% usage and fps from 55 to 90 fps. On highest: from 40-70% usage and fps ranging from 45 to 80 fps on benchmarks (CPU on 70% max). Voltage cap message pops up very often.
- Deus Ex Mankind Divided: The best results, it usually hangs around 92-97% despite the quality settings, but never goes beyond these values.
- Dragon Ball Xenoverse: even the least demanding one between these games has sudden drops in GPU from 70 to 35% regardless the quality settings.

What concerns me is that both GPU-Z and Afterburner shows me that sometimes it gets throttled by power or voltage issues. I´ve already tried to underclock the GPU by -200/-300 Mhz with no results.

It wouldn´t bother me if the fps didn´t drop and rise all the time.

Has anyone else faced this kind of limitation?

Thanks in advance for any kind of help.

 

You could be right there, I thought the ANSP could at least go to 48 Ohms but I can't find any concrete specs on it so I'm not sure. If that is true there may be a noticeable difference but I don't know how to check.

My point was as far as value for your money goes, it would be better to buy a better set of headphones first. HyperX Clouds aren't great unfortunately. Headphones.com gave them this review:
Smart Rating: These headphones don't have great specs and received mixed reviews from experts.

Price: Not Cheap. Should be the high end for casual listeners.

Frequency Range: Good bass range. Solid upper pitch range.

Sensitivity: Medium sensitivity range. No amp required.

Recommended Music: EDM or Pop

Which I would agree with. They are great for a gaming headset, but not really true headphones when shooting for pure audio quality.

I would only say the DAC/amp FiiO is worth it if the headphones are underpowered from the headphone output. The DAC part isn't what will be noticeable on the clouds. If he's planning on upgrading his headphones down the road, I would strongly recommend the JBLAB ODAC as that one will be noticeably better for nicer headphones down the road (though it needs a seperate amp).

Have you done a test with different DACs with proper amps? I really couldn't tell much of a difference with lower end in ear and over ears. While my high end ones could still easily tell the difference. Like your DT 1770s should be able to tell, but I'd be pretty skeptical if you could feel a stark difference between the SABRE DAC in the RS vs a Filio or ODAC with the HyperX clouds.

 

So I updated the BIOS to 1.05.04 following @gooface's post on page 298 and Gears of War 4 runs like a charm now, only after switching to Discrete GPU mode from the BIOS.
Idle GPU temperature about 47C, Under load 80C at times. Is this too hot? The body gets hot near the hinge area.

 

I just got mind earlier this week, been having power/current limit throttling issues on the cpu since I got it. At first it was because I was trying to oc but after giving up, I noticed it was happening at stock even with increasing the TDP and current. This morning, I noticed my gpu was power limit throttling as well during a couple games. I would get some stuttering and drop a couple frames too. And this is with my cpu back to default. Seems like something on the board isn't giving enough juice to the cpu+gpu I think.... even reflashed my bios too.


I don't know what to make of it all, I'm just really bummed out now. This is my 2nd sager and I'd hate to have to wait again if I have to return this..

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While they might not have great "specs", from a mainly gaming perspective, the soundstage it has + bass that does not overwhelm other sounds to maintain a level of clarity and also helps with figuring out positioning is why they're the best cans within their price range. They're great budget cans. It's just rebranded Takstar Pro 80s. Though I'm sure you know this already.

I haven't done any extensive testing like you mentioned because I thought the whole point of this was the difference between the power the 3.5mm port the RP and giving headphones the juice they should get instead of what they should need, not the change of sound quality between different amps.

My main point was that even though no amp is required, an amp really changes things up. Same goes for the IE800, and you very well know the potential that giving it more juice unlocks, which is why I'm perplexed this is still ongoing, unless I'm being silly and missed something here. If it weren't for the NBR logo I'd think I stumbled into Head-Fi xD

That's not too far off, my temps capped at around 75-79, with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut repastes. Is that after an extended run time?

 

This was after running it for a little over half an hour. Is that a cause fro concern?

 

I doubt it. If I cap at 79 C tops and you're at 80, it's not a cause for concern at all. If you really are worried about temps, get a cooler, but even then just elevating the laptop a tiny bit is all you need.

 

It seems like some flaw in design to me, just like the issues with 100% CPU usage.

Right now, the limitations for someone who want to play at 1080p / Ultra / 60 fps isn't something limiting, but I wonder if in 2 or 3 years these power limitations won't make the P650RS-G.

P.S. - I flashed the last BIOS version uploaded by @gooface, but made no difference to me, whether in mshybrid or discrete mode.

 

No I've been saying they're the best gaming headphones around 80-100 bucks. I would not say they are the best headphones in that price range at all. So yeah I guess your right if you were saying they are the best from a gaming perspective.

I mostly agree with the /r/headphones list here: http://www.head-fi.org/a/headphone-buying-guide

I would say nearly all of them under 100 bucks sound better. Especially AKG K240s and Alessandro MS-1i's both sound a lot better for the money. HyperX Clouds are more bass heavy, include a mic for gaming, and have more aggressive branding. They are the best gaming headset, but not the best headphones within their price range.

I 100% agree about the getting full power thing, I may have been wrong (probably was in fact) about the P650RP6 amp. It's possible in that case the FiiO would sound better, but mostly because of the extra power delivery. So in that case they may be worth it.

Sidenote: I kinda hate custom fit iems. They feel really awful to me, and I love that ie800s have a real soundstage on iems.

 

Wow I haven't seen that list in so long. I used to visit that one religiously, bit outdated now though.


You can get the V1 Clouds under 50 dollars under the HyperX Cloud Core guise. Considering this is a gaming laptop, one would assume gaming will take some precedence with the purchase of cans. The ones you listed will need an additional purchase of a mic such as a boom pro which is another 30 odd dollars/pounds/euros or what have you. They're great all round for their price point and also relative practicality. With regards to bass heavy, that's also partially inherent of the closed kind, which leads me to my next point:

Hardly fair comparing closed cans to open ones as they'd win any day. Apples to oranges. Sure if it were up to me I'd go for the DT1990 but I don't think I'll live long enough to enjoy it because wife.

I've heard good things about the IE800 but never got around to trying it. I don't think it's for me either since I'll probably break it by mistreating it. Is the soundstage as good as open cans like some people say?


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I just noticed that the GPU tends to get less usage in parts where there are more elements or stuff going on simultaneously. For example, in GTA V, if I'm just looking at an empty alley, GPU usage skyrockets to 95%, while if I'm wandering through a crowded location, it gets down to 50% usage (and like 45 fps). Also, I noticed that voltage throttles GPU when it reaches 1.0625 mV.

Is there anyone else with a similar issue? Definitely thinking about RMA / refund now.

 

Closed cans can sound better too, I just was sayin the best are open from that list

Thats some pretty solid value under 50. Do you really recommend getting a DAC/AMP thats more than the headphones? I feel like that only makes sense in the crazy high price tiers where the headphones are near the best you can get already.

The soundstage cant compete with similarly priced over ears or like HD800s, but its good, and incredibly impressive from in ear monitors.

Ie800s are nearly impossible to try without knowing someone who owns them. I was visiting NYC and went to B&H and even they wouldnt let me (but I could try Shure 846s or other expensive ones)

 

Looks like you and I are having some power issues.. I thought it was just me. I'm about to RMA as well if I can't figure this out by Monday.

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@Rune Walsh

Hey try this out, open up intel xtu and run prime 95. See if you're getting any power or current limit throttling. If you do, we may have the same problem. I believe you have the 6700hq correct?

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Is it a good idea to mess around with MSi Afterburner? I have been using it primarily to show CPU and GPU usage and temps as an overlay in games to monitor heat dissipation and thermal efficiency of the cooling system.

Playing Shadow Warrior 2 at 4K gives around 40-60FPS with all settings cranked to ULTRA and the GPU reached a max of 88C while CPU hovered around 80C.

Is that okay for prolonged gaming sessions? I've been thinking of getting a Cooler Master Notepal X3 just to be on the safe side.

 

I also noticed this on my P650RP6. When I am on scenes with 60+ fps my GPU turbos up to 1700mhz. Intensive scenes with 40-ish fps it goes down to 1400mhz+.

 

Hi there all, just want to ask whether the P650RP6 model without G-sync and the P650RS model has any BIOS or EC update recently. Both my laptops are on

1.05.03. Thanks for any help

 

My Clevo has a 6700HQ, as you said.

You called it. After 7 minutes of Prime95, XTU showed power limit throttling. I think it is RMA for me.

I believe it is how turbo boost. When the GPU is too loaded, in order to avoid heating too much, it lowers its frequency.

The problem Krissppy and I are facing is a little different: regardless the frequency the GPU gets to, it doesn't reach high usage. In fact, in my case, the more intensive the scene is, the less the GPU is used, even if its frequency is around 1700-1800 Mhz.

If you think it is happening to your system, you could use afterburner to check if its usage is around 90-99% without Vsync even when on lowest or highest settings.

 

@Meaker@Sager Do you have any advice for what's happening with @Krissppy and @Rune Walsh? It almost seems as if they need to overvolt to achieve stock clocks. Krissspy couldn't OC at all without an overvolt, which is highly unusual for a mere 3.7GHz on a 6820hk (4.0GHz with an undervolt happens all the time) and his gpu is power throttling at stock even though temps are way under throttling.

 

Damn, I knew it. I'm really starting to wonder if it's a hardware issue. Just by running firestrike I can get it to power/current limit throttle on both the CPU and GPU (see below). Unfortunately in my case, I think it's starting to affect my system even more. I'm noticing stuttering just by moving my cursor around via trackpad or mouse, working on simple word docs, and browsing the web the longer I'm on the laptop. I'm gonna have to RMA this as well.

Thanks again for trying to help me out @Galm17 . I'm so jealous of the rest of you with working clevo's lol.

 

Can you refund it if you RMA it? If meaker doesn't respond that may be a good option. HID stress tests the system before it even arrives, so I wasn't worried about any issues with it since they build it in house and check all the parts. Also getting the 30 day dead pixel warranty is smart because it means they won't ship if they see a dead pixel.

 

Well my impulsiveness got the best of me and I ended up picking up the Asus G752VS thinking my NP8153 would take more and more weeks before it arrived.
Needless to say it shipped the day I picked up the Asus.
I can't afford two laptops soooo I listed my NP8153 on ebay if anyone is interested, it's the only one on there. The laptop should arrive at my house either tomorrow or Tuesday so those of you who want a NP8153 with the 4K screen and 6700hq CPU, you could have it shipped out in a day or two.
And of course, if someone doesn't want to go through ebay, we could work something out with the price since ebay's commission is 10%.
Also, if this kind of post isn't allowed I completely understand and have no problem with it being removed.

 

I just emailed LPC =/ Unless meaker can somehow provide a software fix, I'll get a refund anyway. It's really unfortunate, LPC has been really prompt and good with their customer service, always responding in a timely manner. Their customer service lives up to the hype.

I might wait a little while before ordering again, I'm not sure. I kinda want to see if there's any one else having similar issues. To be honest, I stumbled across the MSI 16L13 thread earlier today - I have to admit it piquing my interest

 

If you are willing to sacrifice the thickness the 16L13 is pretty much objectively better. It may run a tad warm because of the desktop cpu but it has a lot of power.

If you like the P650RS though I would just reorder. I really love the form factor and surprisingly the keyboard on this thing.

 

I'm also in the process of returning my P650RS and then saw the MSI. I'm sad about losing out on the Sabre DAC but I guess I'll live. They weight pretty much the same too!

In the case of the HyperX Clouds? Definitely. It bumps them to levels more expensive headphones reach on their own and also paves way for user to try out different ones if possible. While you're right that closed cans can sound better too, they come with a much higher price range (e.g the PM-3) whereas with open ones you can get brilliant sound with less money.

Not a fair comparison to HD800 D: I'd love to shop where you shop to get it at the price of an IE800, I thought they were over 1k+ USD whereas the IE800 doesn't breach 700-800. But I feel you with testing stuff. Where I'm at I can barely find anywhere that stocks mid-fi gear. It's either low-end stuff or really high end stuff like the HD800. I'll probably try them come next month and see if I will keep them, if not return. Do they leak really badly?

 

Curious why you didn't keep the NP8153. Any issues?

 

Curious why you're returning the p650rs as well.

 

To those with 6820HKs, are you able to keep the chip under 80C @ 3.5GHz (guessing there's room to undervolt). How easy is it? Mind you, I've only OCing desktop chips (which is outlandishly simple) so not sure how much more challenging this is.

 

I wouldn't say any issues, I've just found I'm loving this 17" screen of the Asus and it also has Thunderbolt 3 which is a plus. The only downsides I see of the Asus is the lack of a fingerprint reader and RGB keyboard.
Just personal preference I think.

 

I'm wondering here. I'm going to buy this laptop, but does HID, Xotic, LPC or other sellers doing same special sale during the Black Friday? If they do, I can wait till end of November...

 

What's the deal with the Eurocom one? It's kind of "cheap", I could configure a locked i7 + 1060 and I'd be paying about 1450 dollars with shipping. Gotta find out wether it throttles or not (I'd pick an affordable socketed over BGA anytime), also 40mm is a nice size

 

I went through the thread and couldn't find anything concrete on this: What exactly can I do with second m.2 slot if my first one has a PCIe drive currently installed?

I currently have the np8652 with an SM951. I'm selling the laptop but keeping the SSD. With the p650sg I can't add another PCIe and am not sure about a sata m.2 either.

What I would like to do is put in the sm951 and add an m.2 sata drive or possibly an internal PCIe USB. Would a sata m.2 be possible. What about a second PCIe drive/device?

 

It's a GT62VR without msi branding and a desktop cpu. It won't throttle.

 

A few

- it's rather heavy, I lug it to and from work everyday
- light bleed I get just isn't great
- Even with new EC, fan noise is rather loud
- all of the above points lead me to find the MSI which has replaceable/upgrade able parts, same weight and almost the same price. It's either that or a lightweight laptop + desktop combo at this stage

What I'll miss though is the Sabre DAC inside the RS.


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Strange, the SABRE DAC was on my GT60. They removed it in favor of the GT73 apparently?

 

This makes me rather sad. I was so happy initially with it, just can't ignore the other issues. I figured if I was gonna lug near 3kg day in and out, I might as well go for the MSI.

Is the GT60 you have MXM?


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The 16L13 is pretty much the same size of my brothers AW15 r2. I borrowed it for a couple weeks in the past, size didn't necessarily bother me toooo much. The 650rs is about half an inch thinner and a lb lighter. Battery life is comparable too according to some of the posts I've read. Biggest thing that caught my attention was that its $250 less than what I paid for and that's with a 6700k. I don't know how they're making that work at that price point.


The 650rs has it's keyboard and it's size (this was supposed to be my limit) going for me the more I think about it. I'm trying not to really, but the $$$ value is making it difficult to ignore.

Decisions decisions


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Open my sig lol if it wasn't MXM I'm a damn prodigy

It's funny my GT60 was like 8lbs. The P650 feels so light to me.

 

A lb lighter?! I thought the MSI is around 2.9kg, my RS is 2.93kg


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Ah, maybe when I get in the office tomorrow, can't see it on my end.

Yeah, coming from 8lbs down to 5.6 must've been great, but I'm coming from 1.9kg (Acer V5-573G) to the P650RS was very noticeable.


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"MSI GT60 16F4 Barebones i7 4710mq | 16GB RAM | upgraded to 980m" So yeah it was MXM and socketed cpu too.

 

My bad, lol. The 650rs 5.84lbs (2.65kg) according to clevo. MSI is 6.45lbs (2.9kg) according to eurocom. So about a little over half a pound without the bricks...

Darn it @Dansauce lol

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