*** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

My p650rs doesn't work properly with any monitor. I tested it with one LG and one Dell.

 

From what I've read while lurking other threads, something happened between Prema and another dev(?) and Prema won't be releasing the BIOS publicly but only through Prema partnered resellers.

Why 200 dollars more? What's the spec so I can compare. If you're talking about VAT, they have ways, it's just that you pay 5% of total + shipping extra and you won't get hit. For my spec and getting it delivered to Ireland, I pay about the same price, but better quality (IMO from what I've read anyways).

PCS uses the parts based on what they have in stock. E.g You can get either the LG IPS screen or the Chi Mei one. You can put a note that you want the LG screen, but if they happen to not have it in stock while they build your laptop, they'll just use the Chi Mei one.

 

The Intel seems generally more reliable. The killers only real advantage is if you make use of its software suite for things like bandwidth prioritization for games or other things. As in if you want to torrent something and also play a game you can make the torrent a low priority and the game a high one so that the torrent shouldn't effect gaming. I'm having trouble believe this works that great in practice because you are still using your network for two things at once. It's likely most useful if you cap out your bandwidth meaning you have 5mbs download internet. A game needs 1mbs, and your torrent is using 5mbs. You. An limit the torrent to 3mbs download so that the game can use some. That's how it is on my wired killer PC at least.

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What issues did you encounter personally with them? I will test mine when I get home today.

 

I have a 360Mbit connection so idk if that's consequential, torrenting usually doesn't affect my gameplay, if I even find the time to do play. It's fast enough too that most movies would be finished by the time I start to get annoyed with lag. But I'll look into that more. Getting the AC18260 sounds so much better though.

 

I doubt you would notice any advantage then. Especially if you don't want to run killers bloated software in the background 24/7.

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Would the bloat even impact a system such as the RS?

 

Bloat kills boot times, its dependent on the drive loading the OS not the specs.

 

The more you know ~
I'll keep this in mind when setting up mine.

Apart from boot times though, my questions still stands.

 

Read my previous posts.

 

Is this the question you meant? HID charges a bit more than other resellers. It was more like a 70 dollar difference for me, but they have superior customer support to most other places. Prema yeah may not be releasing it to the public.

 

Oh, no it wasn't. Plus, I was actually FOR HIDevolution in that post with reasons why xD

The questions was how much would the "bloat" actually impact a system such as this (factoring in OC'ed 6820HK + 1070 etc), boot times aside, considering.

 

Oh, the main impact is boot times. It'll also use a little more ram. You actually can have bloat that can impact gaming performance, tests have shown it can impact fps. I mean there's literally no positive to having bloatware. It won't like tank the system, it'll still perform fast, it just will slow it down a few percent for no necessary reason. Things like startup programs and apps running in the background are what contributes to it.

 

TBH I don't really care about OC on a laptop and from what I understand prema will let you do that? Btw. I ordered this configuration here: https://gyazo.com/a6609dae976bedce4c2a43fb4f91acc9

You have to keep in mind that on HID for an Italian layout I have to pay 75 $ while on pcs it's free, also, the g-sync monitor is free too, and I also need the laptop before the 4th of October and that's why I selected the 5 days express dispatch time.

 

Thanks for that, I'll keep that in mind. Guess I'll go for the AC8260

Well, OC aside, just the fact that they allow you to do more with your system. But yeah, you're right I didn't factor in the $75 and shipping times which make PCS a better buy. I thought G-Sync is free all round? Well I hope you enjoy the laptop! EDIT: I'm not sure the model is the P650RS as I thought that was only the 1070 versions? The 1060 should be the P560RP

 

Any further suggestion is welcome!

 

Oh the 15.6 inches is p560rp? These clevo names........ Yeah on HID I have an option for a G-sync monitor wich adds to the price of the laptop or a non G-sync monitor which is "free"

 

Ah, I didn't see that. I was comparing prices between the 1070 version (keyboard aside). With the 1070 it comes with G-Sync as default.

 

I checked and have this issue also. Constant 100% CPU usage.

 

Wonder if this is driver related to the fact we are using 2 month old Sager nvidia drivers on this.

Anyone try different drivers to see if it makes any difference?

 

I use nvidia 372.70

 

Which CPU do you have? 6700HQ or 6820HK?

I have tried all available drivers for Windows 10 and Linux with GTX1070 support. This is hardware/BIOS bug, not driver.

 

Also, if you're planning on using the laptop for VR it has the same performance problems since both the Oculus Rift and HTC Vive connect via HDMI or DisplayPort. I'm about to RMA mine as well, but Larry from LPC is looking into whether there is a fix coming for this. If not, I will very sadly be returning this machine. Too bad... this issue aside, I love this laptop.

 

I have tried with 372.70 and the same issues are there. This appears to be a BIOS bug or something low level.

 

So got my laptop, yay! I am trying to get windows 10 on my intel 600p but I am having trouble, is there a special way for nvme drives?

 

You can use latencymon to see what's eating your CPU. In Discrete Mode, look at ACPI.sys... on a stable system, it should be ZERO.


In MSHybrid, it's much better, but I can still see frame drops, hitching, etc. in VR where I absolutely should not be seeing them. Makes me wonder if it is a hardware issue or if there's some kind of limitation with the BUS or display ports?

 

Does this affect the models with the gtx 1060 too? It sounds worrying :\

 

6700hq

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What bios version are you on?

https://goo.gl/photos/D8eK63oQ3q4iQ5Ei7

 

1.5.01

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well from my post you can see I am on 1.05.03

I wonder if I will experience this issue or not, anyone else have a different version?

 

You don't have this issue?

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I am not sure, I need to test when I get off work, I am just noting that we have different bios versions.

 

I have BIOS 1.05.02

 

and I have BIOS 1.05.01

Use LatencyMon as nasawhy described. This is most reliable way to check for this problem.

 

OK, will do, I also just shot an email asking about the latest bios from Sager (Allen) I also asked them if they were aware of the issues regarding external displays.

Wont be for another 6 hours till I can test though.

 

Ok so ignore my first post, apparently the image for windows edu is bad or my usb is bad either way I had a copy of windows on another usb and it works fine.

 

Wait are you just talking about the wifi card? That alone won't do much of anything. Its more when theres loads of bloatware, the wifi card software shouldn't have a noticeable impact at all. Its more when lenovo installs a ton of stuff you don't need in the OS from the start.

The 1060 is an RP not and RS so your right.

 

I had this same problem before noticing that I was using the newest Nvidia driver (which disables GSync). I didn't run benchmarks, but my WoW temps were about the same. I switched to auto fans in the control center and rolled the Nvidia driver back to whatever is on Obsidian PC's website and now my WoW temps average 60 on CPU and GPU with steady 60 fps, maxed settings.

 

I should have clarified, the lone exception was nVidia 327.70, and just installed it to overwrite the existing drivers. Everything working great.

Apparently Clevo machines are having external monitor issues? I have connected to mine 2 screens through DisplayPorts, 1 through HDMI, plus the laptop screen for 4 total, everything working splendidly.

 

1. Are you using mshybrid or discrete gpu mode?

2. Did you check for System process usage in task manager?

3. Did you check for abnormal ACPI.sys activity in LatencyMon?

4. Which BIOS version do you have?

 

Have you tested it with latencymon? Look for ACPI.sys being the top offender in discrete mode when an external display is plugged in. It's possible you aren't noticing the bottleneck depending on what you're doing. I was able to play Rise of the Tomb Raider on an external display fine... I wouldn't have noticed anything wrong, but latencymon showed that there is some ridiculous stuff going on constantly. It's much more noticeable in VR, but of course, VR is trying to get 90fps consistently and rendering 1080p in each eye... so it's much more demanding.

 

Has anyone else tested these 65X/67X in VR? I was using The Lab - Robot Repair as my test/benchmark. It runs better in MSHybrid mode, but is still dropping frames in the headset (makes for hitchy and uncomfortable VR) when the frame time graph in SteamVR is looking buttery smooth. It's quite bad in discrete mode. I am afraid that even if/when this external display issue gets worked out there may still be some kind of hardware bottleneck. I've tested it on several other machines with equal or less CPU/GPU and it always runs smooth. My NP8153 should be able to handle this much much better.

 

It`s not for gaming (the latency would not surfice) but for educational purposes. This on the other hand explains why I want the WiDi to work without any issues.

Best regards

phila

 

So are you monitoring cpu and gpu temps and usage? That info would be helpful, maybe ram and disk as well.

 

Mind elaborating? I'm rather curious about WiDi's practicality, wondering if I could employ it in and around the house

 

Sure enough I'm having the external monitor issue. Below is a link to screenshots before and after connecting to an external monitor. The laptop shipped in discrete video mode, which I confirmed in the BIOS. BIOS is version 2.18.1260? and I'm running a 6820 with the 1070. From reports here neither processor nor video card choice seem to matter. I contacted Xotic support for help. Should I go directly to Sager instead?

Latencymon:
http://imgur.com/a/CfzhM

 

So new drivers for nvidia drop tomorrow, not sure if they will help or not with that external issue (probably bios related like you said) but I hope they don't break gsync like all the others do.

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I feel like this is also result of a driver issue.... Thats a newer bios for example. Gotta report it to nvidia see what happens

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Are the extra pads (the small items in the bag with the manual I think?) from clevo used for initial repasting? Or is new thermal paste enough and extra pads for much later? I've put thermal pastes on desktip cpus but never a notebook so this is new to me.

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