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So this is mine:

That is on Mini display port to DVI. seems normal to me?

EDIT: OK, so HDMI has something seriously going on... It is doing the same thing as it did for you guys...

I will test Mini DP to HDMI in a sec...

Final Edit: OK here are my findings, I tried Mini DP to DVI, Mini DP to HDMI, and Pure HDMI. If I started the PC up with the external display connected on a cold boot or warm boot it did not observe this issue, this issue only occurs after windows boots and you either remove or add an external display. BUT the weird thing is, if you don't remove the cable but you add and remove displays (under display settings) in windows this does not occur. (it only occurs if you physically take the cable out or put one in while windows is running)

This is looking to be more and more like a driver issue or something else really bizarre. Not anything I would return this laptop over.

 

I'll have my p650rs tomorrow. Will be interested to see if this new wave of sagers that shipped out last Friday for everyone has any differences.

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I would venture to guess it is a driver issue.

One option is to fully reset the bios, and see what the defaults are, and then go to OS and see if hybrid or discrete is being used. Then switch the bios setting and see if hybrid or discrete is being applied to reflect the setting you just made. Flip it back in the bios, and once more see if it correct. Then flip it one last time to another setting.

This is the only situation I can think of where a bios setting may interfere with a driver's start up going into windows:

The bios toggle is not mapped correctly, with all settings either setting the same flag, regardless of text, or flags being set not matching the string associated.

If this all behaves as expected, then all the problems are uniquely Nvidia.

 

I captured about everything you mentioned in this screenshot except for disk usage. One thing that I'm confused about is that GPU-Z claims my perfcap reason is utilization, but it never reaches 100% utilization... or am I misinterpreting that?

I couldn't do this in MSHybrid mode because Afterburner and GPU-Z seem to have trouble getting me all the stats on my GPU. In MSHybrid mode, the exact same VR test will yield a frame timing graph without spikes and all stays within 11ms (the frametime the Vive shoots for).

 

Hm... That is weird, it does seem like the gpu is under utilized. Something else is definitely wrong, you obviously clearly meet the VR ready requirements.

 

Did you see my post above? Does that make any difference with you and the Vive based on my findings?

 

Yes, it's very frustrating considering how powerful this machine should be. I have about a week before my 30 days is up and I won't have a choice but to RMA if we can't get a fix by then.

Would the perfcap results in GPU-Z indicate that it is indeed being throttled? Or am I misunderstanding that little graph?

BTW, even in MSHybrid mode without all the ACPI.sys problems, I'm still dropping frames in the headset. If I had any hair I would have pulled it all out by now.

 

Mobile pascal is still new....nvidia has plenty of bugs to iron out. Its the curse of the early adopter...there are no benefits we basically beta test it for them for zip.

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Thanks gooface - I shut it down (without the bug in place, without external displays obviously), then connected the Vive via mini display, powered on, and when I got into windows, my ACPI.sys was going nuts. So based on trying it once, it doesn't seem to be true for me.

How would I go about adding a display via Windows display driver? I'm not seeing how to do that, but for what it's worth, the Vive doesn't show up as another display in Display Settings.

 

Wondering about this as well before I tear into mine

 

weird, well I dont have an answer for that.... I sent my findings to sager via email, I will wait and see what they say. Have you tried the external display thing like I said other than using the Vive to see if it acts like it does for me on those? Also Sager confirmed that the bios I am running 1.05.03 is the latest release, you might want to contact them for a download.

 

Note that a performance limit "utilisation" means the card is not being used enough to justify raising the clocks any further.

 

Anyone knows where to find a Clevo p650rp6 bios update?

 

Can someone with the p650rs with the 4k screen and let me know what the screen overclocks to, if at all. Thanks

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I have teh Sager with 1070 and don't have that problem. An easy test is hooking up your htdv with hdmi for the second monitor and playing DOOM with stats showing. All 8 cores vary from 50-100%, but no core is ever pegged at 100%. My problem is the even though my temps are excellent (70's/80C) sometimes I get random instant shut off of the whole computer. It seems like maybe underclocking the gpu 50 mhz solves it, and this only happens on battery. I think the 1070 on battery sometimes just trips some failsafe and shuts the whole computer off instantly. Still trying to figure that out, and also why nvidia geforce experience won't load up at all, even with today's new release of it in the new driver package. I also found that messing with intels core volt offset isn't worthwhile, you will get random crashes and corrupt data when switching loads usually. I tried -150, -100, -75, -50 and each crashes less, but for the 1 degree of heat it saves it is clearly not worth an unstable laptop. I think Nvidia needs a lot of work on the mobile 1070 drivers and geforce experience because it should load and work and the 1070 shouldn't randomly crash on battery only.

 

4K monitors don't overclock. It'd be near miraculous to get like 62Hz. The amount of pixels its driving is way way higher than 1080p, so a 144hz 1080p monitor is doing less than a 4K monitor at 60 in instructions each second.

Look around you'll see that higher than 60Hz 4K panels don't exist yet.

 

Hi, may i know what is your GPU highest while running Rise of the Tomb Raider? My highest GPU temps is 88 degrees.

 

To be clear though. This is a screen technology logistic, right? I've seen 120hz qhd screens. Does that mean they've only figured it out upto 1440p so far?

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So today I got my p670 and opened it up to put some LM ultra and I had a question on ram slots are 2 of them on the other side of the board? Here is a pic of it with the lid off

 

So, actually, 120hz 4k is perfectly doable over any DP 1.4 interface.

Displays *should* readily be able to switch the full panel at that rate, but would require better processors on board the screen, which is fine since it'd be more expensive a feature anyways.

Panels themselves, like the matrices of pixels that make up a display, aren't magically bound to some limit. If all pixels can reliably hit 120 using a method at 1920x1080, then the same tech can do it at 4k, 8k, etc.

120hz can be figured out at any resolution once the individual pixel matrix speed is up to snuff. If TN can be done at 144 hz, then TN 8k 144hz is just a matter of having a DSP fast enough to control that many pixels, and an interface wide enough to carry that many bits. There's not really much in the way of figuring anything out.

 

Please do give us info on that. I been waiting for my order to be fulfilled and would be interested as well if the new batches fixed some of the problems with thermals of the old batch.

 

An interface like eDP?

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I'm pretty sure the thermal issues were just bad paste jobs. But will definitely be testing it out tomorrow. Been waiting a month

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I heard some of them been having bios issues making their fan run a bit low and making the thermals hotter.

 

Is this mshybrid or discrete mode?

Unfortunately this doesn't work for me that way. I have high ACPI.sys activity whether I boot laptop with connected display or I will connect it later.

However after I put laptop to sleep and then wake up, it works correctly for a while but then problem comes back. So I suggest to run some games, benchmarks and check for ACPI.sys activity again.

I have done little research and ACPI.sys has very high activity because hardware interrupt 6f is constantly generated. Google suggest that this is problem related no to GPU directly but to Skylake energy management. This might explain why putting my laptop in sleep removed problem for a while but it back later when I run some programs and then forced CPU to switch its states.

If you are looking for 100% usage of one particular core you will not see it. This doesn't work that way. Use LatencyMon to confirm you have (not) this problem.

 

Hm, i just pluged in my 24" Dell monitor via HDMI and i have no problem with it. Discrete Mode, x.72 Nvidia driver, 1.05.01 Bios, XMG EC.
CPU is at 11%,1%,0%,0%.

 

Can you post screenshot of working LatencyMon?

 

When my laptop gets here tomorrow how can I check the bios version?

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When you boot up to bios it should tell you on the bottom of the bios menu!

 

Thanks man! Figured it was something simple.

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Any unusual to see here?

 

ACPI activity...?

 

You just confirmed that your laptop has the same bug

 

My highest was also 88.. Once it was good and warmed up for a bit, I seemed to average around 84-85. I had IC Diamond thermal paste put on by sager, btw. I have the NP8153 with 6820HK FWIW.

 

I tried it with a regular monitor via HDMI, and even after rebooting with the display connected, I still have the same bug happening.

 

So here is what is going on with me guys, if I turn on MSHybrid, CPU usage and ACPI.sys activity is low, however with Discrete, ACPI is high and CPU usage is constantly around 20%. However, 3D performance is good on Discrete, but when I turn on MSHybrid, I get jumpy frame rates that are being mentioned by some. So I just stay on Discrete. My BIOS is 1.05.02. External monitors ran fine for me on both MSHybrid and Discrete.

 

Seems the stock thermalpads\thick layer of thermal paste is doing a fine job. Have tested my P651\1070 in many games now and the worst is Far Cry 4 where CPU hits 72C (with -180 UV) and GPU hits 77C. the replacement-thermalpaste is really thick pads.

 

I would like to share my experience (partial for now)


I received my P670rs g yesterday .. I have been able to install win7 no problem using the tool https://downloadcenter.intel.com/it/download/25476/Windows-7-USB-3-0-Creator-Utility

I didn't have any of the problem described in some previous post regarding the installation of drivers ... my laptop recognise external hdd and usb

Blacklight bleed : not at all ... to date I am very happy with the machine .. I am waiting to have an internet connection to upgradeto win 10

I have just one question .. to install win 7 I had to disable UEFI in bios ... do you know if I can reactivate it when installing win 10 ? what are the advantages of UEFI eabled?

thank you

 

Hey,

just wanted to ask:

Are there any other IPS Panels available for the P650RP6-G? I ordered one but it has massive backlight bleeding..

thanks

 

You mean versions? There is an LG one and Chi Mei as far as I was told. Could you post pictures? Dark room, black background etc. Some manufacturers that I have contacted have a rough limit on how acceptable the bleed(s) is. If it's really bad you could get it returned/exchanged.

 

Yes. Think you have to pop out the keyboard.

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Received an email today from HIDEvolution that says my order has been pushed to the first week of October.

I wonder if they throw in any extras for the delay.

 

When you ordered it? I didn't get a notice at all yet

 

Yes, its totally possible and a few prototypes and one 5000 dollar Dell have been released, but there are no consumer UHD monitors with over 60hz yet. Hopefully thatll change soon.

 

If it is eDP that is DP 1.4 compliant, then yes. However, the other issue might be the ageing HM170 chipset simply can't run a 4k screen at 120hz. Assuming it is what is bridging iGPU and dGPU.

 

I'm about to place an order in the next 48 hours (HYPE) and I'm toying with the decision to get the 6820HK.

Now I'm trying to justify the 100 euro extra price tag so if anyone knows, what real world improvements (gaming included) can one expect between the 6820HK oc'ed and the 6700HQ

EDIT: That, and RAM options, is there much of an improvement going for 2133Mhz Kingston Hyperx vs 2400Mhz Crucial Ballistix?

 

I still haven't been able to figure out what these are for.

 

I am (finally!) getting ready to order the p670. I've been following the thread, but at times it has gotten over my head. I'm trying to keep up though. As I understand there are currently two big-ish issues with the laptop: the fan settings not working properly and the bug with external displays. Has the issue with the fans been fixed? Kind of seems like it, but I am not sure. And have the new nVidia drivers done anything to fix the external display issue?

How is Sager in general about support for their laptops after relsease? If I get it now how confident should I be that the issue will eventually be fixed? Thanks.

 

Do you think it's worth sending the laptop back for this issue? I'm assuming that these problems will be ironed out over time, either through BIOS updates or drivers.

I'm pretty upset that this two thousand dollar laptop has so many issues (external monitor, high temps, bad fan profiles) but really I have noone to blame but myself. I just HAD to have this laptop before the tests came out.

 

http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/107566

372.90 is out! I would test but I am at work for the next 8 hours... Anyone willing to test and see if it breaks Gsync and or fixes that external monitor issue?

Also has anyone checked the other Sager threads to see if they have the same issues with the external display by chance? Or maybe posted in one to ask?