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Lol not that that isn't above and beyond but you should be able to see it in device manager if its there. Thanks for trying to physically check though (did you have to repaste because of that??)

 

POWER SUPPLY
With GTX 1060: 200W PSU

Dimensions: 167 x 82 x 34 mm (L x W x H)
Weight: 0.84 kg
Total cable length (from outlet to notebook): 3.6m

With GTX 1070: 230W PSU

Dimensions: 177 x 88 x 35 mm (L x W x H)
Weight: 0.92 kg
Total cable length (from outlet to notebook): 3.6m

 

I didnt think you could see it in device manager because it is an asic. So I just went on hunt for ESS labeled ic.

I did but I have plenty of mx4 and kryonaut coming in tomorrow so i dont care

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Hmm now I don't remember, I thought I could see it on my GT60, I'll check again when the P650RS arrives.

 

It looks like there's some confusion about just what G-Sync is with these systems.

Mobile G-Sync is Nvidia's implementation of the VESA Display Port Standard's Adaptive Sync. Additionally, it is not intended for high(!) refresh rates. Unlike the desktop counterpart, improved frame timing is a side effect of the main intent, which is reduce screen updates to save on power. Adaptive Sync is a pretty old method that's been used in laptops well before GSYNC ever came to be, but was only integrated into the displayport standard much more recently.

My point is: Mobile Gsync has very little in common with desktop Gsync. At the most basic implementation, Adaptive Sync only offers tiered refresh rates to match the system's output. At higher levels of implementation, it basically becomes Freesync, which is what AMD calls a full implementation of the Adaptive Sync (dp1.2a) specification.

Nvidia's implementation of Adaptive sync is closer to the bare-minimum. This is why it caps low, and really doesn't make much of a difference overall. This is also why they opt to brand it as "Gsync", while at the same time obfuscate what they are really doing. They do not support the full Adaptive Sync featureset, and not supporting the whole thing is a bad thing in marketing, since it is entirely driver level. Instead, call it Gsync and don't bother correcting the misinformed customer belief that it is in any way related to the desktop product called Gsync.

TL;DR: Nvidia Mobile Gsync is a crappy version of Freesync.

 

Nahamic showed logo when using it if i remember right? Then again thats msi implementation.

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DACs usually do not show up in the device manager. The way the circuit works is CPU sends data through PCIE bus to CODEC (realtek) which in turn forwards bitstream to DAC, along with control signal options (sample rate, DSP, etc). These are handled by the realtek driver, and windows has no idea of what is going on beyond the driver level.

That can be done with the realtek drivers. Realtek codecs report control signal states, so if it sends a control bit to, say, a DAC, and the DAC is there, it will report that the signal went there and back again. You could put anything at the other end of that command signal and the driver would say the ESS Sabre is there. Even a potato would do the trick.

 

What do you mean by it caps low?

 

Sabre Dac and Texas instruments burr brown are only on the RS laptops. They also have stickers (like the i7, gtx 1070,etc) on the bottom left of the laptop near touchpad indicating this as well.

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Uch people at home missed my package -.-" so i just work at home tomorrow to fetch it myself. But in regards of the paste... I've read a ****ton of info/threads here on this forum in regards of thermal paste for clevo laptops. Since laptop heatsinks are less tight compared to desktop heatsinks and QA sometimes sucks at foxconn(factory that makes the heatsinks) which can result in not entirely flat heatsinks(even less pressure across the die). So lots of people reported and told me and others that mx-4 pumps out real quick since the pressure is less and that paste is thin and less viscous. Basicly ic-diamond is praised to heaven on this forum for its good temps and longlivity (tho it can be abraisive,aka leave scratches) which i didnt wanna risk. And behind ic diamond is gelid gc extreme. Also good temps but apparently less longlivity and no chance for scratches. But it all depends on the heatsink and if you overclock(aka higher temps and faster pump-out).

If you look at this thread i found " http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...p8658-and-np8657-owners-lounge.782595/page-56" you can see someone took of the heatsinks of the previous generation and was positive about the pressure etc so my hopes are high . I kinda wanted to repaste it myself at first with mx-4 anyway, since i have that at home. But now i just take a better product for the same price(and i can even repaste multiple times).

 

I was thinking of getting two 500G EVO M.2 SSDs and striping them inside a P650RS. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether or not this is a good idea?

My HP Spectre 13t has striped SSDs that have been functioning very well (the laptop is three years old now). So I know striping can work well, but I don't know what other people's experiences are.

 

Doubt there's any noticrable performance improvement. You are going to be constrained by SATA transfer rates anyways. Samsung 850s are already faster than what sata can handle afaik. IMO I'd go for nvme SSD if you wanted a real bump in performance. The new Intel p series are really cheap, like $160.

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You're thinking of RAID1 which is mirroring. This is good if you want data safety and possibly faster read times.

I actually want RAID0 which is stripping. This turns, for example, two 500G drives into a single 1T drive. The caveat is that it is risky - stripped drives can't be recovered easily and they are more prone to errors (twice the failure rate of a single drive). Also results depend highly on how good the RAID implementation is.

Anyone know how good Clevo's RAID implementation is?

 

My bad! Always get my raids confused lol. In that case, I would think it's cheaper to just get 1x 1tb evo drive? I believe the larger ssds are actually faster too.

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Nope, just google the model and speeds across sizes. Some brands do this but the 850 evo is level.

 

Interesting. Im probably thinking of the Sandisk x400 series. Can't keep all these different ssds straight in my mind lol. Anyways I just checked Amazon and it's like $20 cheaper to just get a 1tb 850 evo vs 2x 500gbs. Plus you avoid the complexity of raid and adding a second point of failure. Unless I misinterpreted his first post and he already has 1 500gb SSD.

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Sata III ssds are super similar speed wise. Bang for your buck wise a similar sandisk model should run cheaper. Last time I checked an 850 evo 1TB is around 300 somewhere while a 1TB sandisk Ultra II or maybe even X400 are like 220. Ssd reliability is really good these days.

 

Yep, he just mentioned he was going for Samsung evos, so that's why I checked those prices. I opted for the x400 in my laptop because I don't think I could tell the difference without going pcie.

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I am still skeptical about the value of pcie. Boot times usually don't even seem to be much faster because the bioses at least for now seem to handle it slower before posting, and many things like game load times are almost unaffected. Things like zipping files seem to significantly benefit, but from daily usage cases I can't justify paying like double yet.

 

The small file speeds are generally impacted as you go larger.

The SM961 needs 1TB to fully populate all the channels.

 

Yea no way I'd pay double for pcie. But the new Intel p series seem to cost about the same as sata drives. https://www.amazon.com/Intel-SSDPEKKW512G7X1-512GB-RESELLER-SINGLE/dp/B01JSJA65C I don't think I'll get one because I probably won't need to upgrade my drives any time soon though.

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I'd go for capacity over speed at the moment yes, the 961 is just a cherry on top luxury, like fast ram. It's not a high return on investment.

 

I was wondering about the 1T sandisk. This is the other option.

For convenience I was just going to go with whatever the reseller offers.

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Resellers make a killing off of drives, you should install it yourself if u can.

 

I have P670RS-G and severe problems with storahci error message and 5-10 sec disc freezes... It is really anoying Someone has solution?

 

Well the biggest thing with running raid 0 is you get to split the content in half and that's why if one drive fails the "half" info on other drive is useless. But with that you get sometimes twice the speed if it's a mechanical raid which I believe I read these are capable? I have a 840 and was going to raid another card with it as non important storage drives (games etc) and keep my intel 600p for everything important. Side note I've read latency is somewhat better with a raid.

 

It's almost useless right now because Pascal GPU performs so well enough to output 60fps+ well enough even in AAA games 1080p ultra. Not much option to do there, either cap fps and use gsync or just use vsync or just let it tear without any input lag. However, in 2~3 years you will definitely not be able to run as well as right now (below 60fps with possible fluctuations) and there will be a time when you need gsync. In that case, it will be pretty useful. Mobile g-sync was pretty relevant with Maxwell series, but as mobile GPU started to catch up with the release of Pascal, the native refresh rate is the bottleneck especially for 1070/1080. Makes mobile gsync pretty much a marketing tool with 60hz displays. Hence, props to MSI going full 120hz.

 

Love this laptop, my only complaint is how gsync makes my screen flash black in games. . . I guess it has to do with when frames drop to zero or something, it only happens on loading screens and such, I might disable it on certain titles if it happens on them on more than just that.

 

Hm that's weird. Are you sure it's related to gsync?

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Yeah, I Googled it up and yes I found lots of people complaining about it, the moment I disabled gsync the issue went away. Can anyone else with this laptop confirm what I'm witnessing?

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One question about swapping out disks. In the past it was easy to make a Windows 10 thumb drive and re-image my system. Is this still the case? For example if I want to swap in my own M.2 drive and image it from the resellers original install on the 1T HD.

EDIT: in other words is there any reason to pay for the "recovery media" ($25)?

 

I bought one last week from XoticPC. I have bought from them in the past and was happy. One thing to know about them is they will say delivery time late Sept-Early Oct. Then a week later you will get an email it shipped, lol. So I would say if you order from them you get it in two weeks, not the 4 weeks they claim for safety. Kinda the Captain Kirk/Scotty game.

 

Pretty sure you can make the USB recovery media before you swap your old M.2 drive in. As long as they put the serial/code number somewhere for you. I'll be doing the same with the samsung 850 SSD in my PC. NBR has a good writeup on a clean install of win10.

 

Only thing so far I've sound that works is download http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/

Open it, go to system, right click, go to the AHCI CPU thread, and suspend it.

The bios is currently bugged and we're all awaiting a fix.

 

These are pretty backordered though. I ordered on the 22nd and I probably won't get it until around September 22nd.

Windows actually provides everything you need to make a recovery image on their site. Basically all you would need beyond that is the CD key.

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Ive been playing with unlocking control in bios for us (till we get prema) just need to get it to point its flashable for all because afudos force command is very...meh and was hell and high water to get it on my lappy alone.



So if anyone knows way around aptioV security check let me know because from what I understand I have to strip its security header or w.e and clevo locked it down then it can be flashed by anyone

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You've crushed my world.

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I wouldn't be too worried. http://www.anandtech.com/show/9303/nvidia-launches-mobile-gsync anandtech says they wouldn't be surprised if they move to this method on desktop monitors too. So it can't be that bad.

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I have done further testing with undervolting now. -185 and -180 is stable, but after restart XTU does not save setting. With -175 it seems stable and XTU saves setting, I will come back with more info if that voltage seems unstable aswell. From what I have read so far the 6700HQ is a random undervolter. Some gets -185 stable, while others cant go lower than -80. At -175 temps during load is typically 4-8C lower than with no undervolting. Thats impressive. Even -80 will help 2-4C

 

I thought 1070 was really futureproof, but after playing Fallout 4 with the "improved and expanded everything" and max setting I actually had to lower some settings since FPS drops down to 30 in some populated zones during combat. That game is even worse than Metro Last Light On my returned P670 with 1060 fps was down to low 20. G-sync helps a lot, but not enough.

 

A 1070 is never going to be future proof in way you want it then... Middle of the road gpu are not meant to push AAA fully maxed for years on end. It takes two 980ti to push overwatch above threshold of never dipping below 60 with zero stutter at ultra 200% (now modded up to 300%) at 1440p

Gsync is there in the end to help it age gracefully.

Remember... Pascal is essentially a maxwell shrink with the improved clocks that come from it along with some adjustments and Volta and Vega are going to be the two that reign over it with actual leap forward on new nodes.

Lowering things like shadows or AA also helps big-time and there are plenty of settings that give NO discernible increase of quality yet nuke fps...set it and forget it on max is not how it works sometimes.

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Yeah, understand that, but was surprised that I had to lower several settings in order to make it smooth. Had expecting perhaps 40 fps, but when it dips 30 and you have removed som of the worst (max shadows, AA) I thought things would be fine

 

In nvidia settings everything is all to max performance right? Sometimes it ninjas you with faux throttle for sake of power usage even on ac

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Aha, I will check that when I get home Thx for tip!

 

Quick question guys. I plan on getting the P670RS. Would it be possible to install windows 7 at all on this thing? I dont really like windows 10 as an OS overall

 

You prob could but the drivers don't officially support it. Also I think you would lose out on dx12 stuff right?

Edit:
Everything I'm reading says no dx12 except on win 10. Might be worth it just for that.

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most of my games run on dx11 at most. So i feel that i wont be losing much if i attempt a win 7 install......???? Opinions?

 

I think 6 series CPU does not support win7. Win10 is not that bad IMO. If I Have to name one, windows 3.2 is my personal favorite. Win 95 is just too garish that kills the fun.

 

Most new games will run dx12, such as those based on the popular unreal engine 4. Dx12 also greatly optimizes CPU usage and utilizes multiple cores far better than dx11. Pascal supports dx12 so it's crippling it a bit imo. Not to mention better visual effects can be achieved and the OS itself is generally faster, especially in boot times. Plus you are using bios, drivers etc that are built for win 10. 7 is 2 generations old, so there could be issues there as well.

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Nevertheless it helps a lot when your fps is below the native refresh rate and fluctuates. Much better than vsync for sure.