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    *** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by HardCore88, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. Galm

    Galm "Stand By, We're Analyzing The Situation!"

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    Is that not optimus? If you mean the bios version you can also just yeah manually use only one or the other in bios but you need to switch it each time.

    Light usage like web browsing around 4.5ish hours.
     
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    Thanks Galm.

    Optimus is automatic switching, correct? And since this is a Gsync display, how could it work with Optimus? It seems to me like there's a graphics switching button ("user-switchable"), if I interpreted this correctly. I wanted to confirm
     
  3. Meaker@Sager

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    G-sync in dedicated mode, not g-sync in hybrid mode. It's still switchable. That level of control is manual and done in the bios. No other way around it.
     
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    Anyone here kind enough to post pics of temps under load for the P650RS?
     
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  5. Galm

    Galm "Stand By, We're Analyzing The Situation!"

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    No one has one yet :( meaker or a reseller would be most likely.
     
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    You are best off waiting for the results from a review as they can compare in similar environmental conditions.
     
  7. vegetaeater

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    Just want to know how loud these things get.

    I would have thought, based on their power draw, that they would be similar to the previous maxwell models.

    But after seeing how much louder the G752VS (Asus 1070) is than the old 980m model, can't help but wonder how these Clevo's are going to hold up.
     
  8. Joichiro

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    Asus screwed up with his g752 model, even the previous model was more quiet. As for the clevo, I'd say Dont get your hopes up...

    Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
     
  9. vegetaeater

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    Yeah, it's weird. That was ASUS's edge. Without that, they have nothing over Clevo / MSi.


    MSi's GT62VR looks like an early frontrunner. Tempted to pull the trigger now - just hoping to hear some good news about one of the Clevo's.
     
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    Dude I'm in the same spot, trying to make my mind up for my next 15inch laptop haha.

    I checked the gt62vr but it got high Temps in the review of notebookcheck. Also, the video review of gentechpc does not show how much louder it gets the notebook under load.

    I'll wait until xotic posts a video review of the clevo and gt62 and then try pick one.

    Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
     
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    mtx0011 Notebook Guru

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    for the 6820hk upgrade is cooling different? how much more power and temp do you get when overclocked? how much more performance do you actually get?
     
  12. Meaker@Sager

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    Cooling is the same, it's an unlocked chip so like the desktop version it depends on you to tweak it.
     
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    You should take in mind that you can always use interrim custom resolutions like 1440P (QHD) and 1620P (WQHD+ "3K"). In the past, this wasn't an option on many laptops because crappy Nvidia Optimus meant the display will always be under the control of the Intel HD Control Panel instead of Nvidia Control Panel. However with the removal of Nvidia Optimus, it should now be possible to use Nvidia Control Panel to add more resolution options that will then appear in the in-game resolution menus. That's standard procedure on desktops. It's obvious to me that the GTX 1070 and UHD Display would be the best choice assuming a solid panel. I don't think I could personally ever be satisfied with a lower resolution display on a laptop anyways. Now I just would hope that the screen's specifications are solid. Once I see some reviews and specifications for the display and confirmation regarding Nvidia Control Panel, I'll very likely be buying this laptop.
     
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    Well I overclocked the i7-4710HQ in my Sager NP8651 using Intel Extreme Tuning. I'd imagine the i7-6700HQ has some limited overclocking options (+0.2Ghz) as well.
     
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    Do you have any idea regarding the specifications of the UHD Panel? Haven't been able to find this information anywhere.

    Display Technology (i.e. TN, IPS, PLS, AMOLED), Sub-Pixel Arrangement (Pentile vs. Standard), Refresh Rate (Should Be 60Hz), Response Time.
     
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    i got my P670RS and stress tested it for 30 min, the gpu hit 79°c and cpu 70°c the cpu is the 6700hq.
    Hopefully this can give you some idea for the P650RS.

    Time spy
    [​IMG]

    Firestrike extreme stress test
    [​IMG]
     
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    Nice, thanks! How are the case temperatures?

    Btw, did you go with 4k display?
     
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    Niklasvaag,

    Nice) How about Unigine heaven run? What are the GPU temps in the end of the test and what's the avg GPU clock during this run? Tnx
     
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    aenews, you think it makes sense on a 15.6'' display?
     
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    what about only furmark stress test?
     
  22. Joichiro

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    The cooling solution for the p650rs it should be the same as the p670 or it's improved?

    Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
     
  23. Anton2k4

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    pretty nice temps. i assume that you're running it on automatic fans? how's the GPU? any downclocks when it hit 79C and does it boost to the max boost stated by nvidia?
     
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    how is the fan sound?
     
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    What are the temps in game please?
     
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    Definitely. It's a perfect fit for a 15.6-Inch Display. There's a clear night-and-day difference between 1080P and 2160P on a panel this size. We've reached a point where many people insist on QHD Panels on phones and yet many people don't desire using greater than FHD on a laptop. I don't get it. There's a far greater difference between FHD and UHD on a 15.6-Inch Laptop than there is a difference between FHD and QHD on a 5.5-Inch Phone. Obviously distance from the screen plays an important role as well. For me, I keep my laptop less than twice the distance from my face as I keep my phone from my face. It's certainly arguable that a WQHD+ "3K" Panel or other middling resolution may not be significantly inferior to UHD at this screen size, but FHD is definitely not pixel-dense enough IMO unless you keep your laptop at extreme distances away from your face. UHD is also a more rational choice for a display than other high resolutions since 1080P scales evenly into 2160P.

    With the exclusion of Nvidia Optimus, a UHD Panel will be much more logical than in previous generations as well. There are many programs that are forced to use only Integrated Graphics with Optimus and at UHD that becomes a problem. Watching UHD YouTube Videos doesn't work very well with Intel HD. As I mentioned previously, since Nvidia Control Panel has control over the display rather than Intel HD you can also set custom resolutions (i.e. QHD or WQHD+) that you can use while gaming. You don't need to game only at FHD or UHD. G-Sync also makes gaming at high resolutions more appealing since lower FPS between 30-60FPS will be visibly smoother.
     
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    Hi,

    maybe someone can help me:

    I saw the new P65x with 6820HK + 1070 + mux for iGPU + LTE and thought: wow... but then I saw they have no Thunderbolt?! Is this correct? Can this be enabled/hacked later via BIOS like with the MSI "Superspeed" port? Or is there a similar laptop with Thunderbolt you are aware of as an alternative?

    Kind regards
     
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    i can see if i can run unigine later today. max gpu temp was 82°c and the clock is 1443mhz.
    i went with fhd screen, and case temps feel good, bit of fan noise, but no big deal.
    fan is auto and everything is untouched.
     
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    Thanks for the reply!

    Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
     
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    Furmark
    [​IMG]


    Unigine Heaven
    [​IMG]
     
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    The 17 inch models all have the extra heatpipe going over to the cpu coolong section for the gpu I believe. The 1070 15 inch model also uses this.
     
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    p650 temp,aida64 fpu stress and furmark stress,cpu i7 6700hq,gpu 1070
    cpu temp 83,gpu temp 73
    5DF69BCC46228CB74847565947B33F7C.jpg
     
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    1202Mhz seems very low. I guess it's power throttling, as Furmark says.
    Going over the board's EDP (electrical design point)? Or something else? These results are making me reconsider my purchase.

    I'll have to wait until I receive it before I can see if I can wiggle out of the throttling. Otherwise I'm returning it.
     
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    all clevo gtx1070 furmark clock is 1202,include p775dm3,p870dm2 p650rs,vbios is the same
    gt72vr is about 1.26g
    g752vs 1.31g
    gt62vr is 1.24g
     
  35. ValkerieFire

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    Furmark isn't a good way to test GPUs now. A Valley benchmark loop is much a more realistic comparison to hours long gaming sessions. Furmark just maxes out the gpu and causes it to down clock which doesn't give you the data you want. It is a good way to test cooling capability though, but it isn't a comparison of long term game temperature. I'd recommend running a Valley benchmark loop for 20-30 minutes. With GPu-Z in the background. Use gpu-z to check the high temp.

    Thank you for posting your results, as the first owner, everyone will have lots of questions for you.
     
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    I can't play until October due to work, but after that I'd be happy to give you some coaching. Steep learning curve, but a few basic tactics can significantly improve your survivability. Plus if you bring the wrong mech you pretty much already lost unless you're really good. I'll try to look you up if you're interested.
     
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    I have been playing for two years. I am in the upper middle of tier 3.

    My son is pretty good compared to me. His efforts,to coach me have been an exercise in futile frustration.

    However, he has no patience. He does enjoy taking me one on one and destroying me. ROFL!!!

    Sent from my overpriced Galaxy S6 Edge +
     
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    I'm looking to this one also (P650RP6-G/1060) but I'am looking for something with low noise emission (I can leave with 60 FPS, still much better than my current Clevo with iGPU only ;-) ) Can someone take some noise metrics?

    And BTW, does anybody experienced laptoplus.nl? They are the only one with full stock barebone and good price that I can found (with a azerty/be keyboard)?
     
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    Is Sager shipping out any of these laptops this week? Or are all the models backordered till next week?
     
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    Is that a good thing? That means that all these clevo models share the same throttling mechanism.

    https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...ods-prema-mod™-stock/&page=143#comment-142589
    Looks like Clevo is still throttling. Hopefully Prema will release an EC/Bios mod to disable it.
     
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    I'm also joining the Clevo club, after lurking on the forums for a while.
    Ordered a P651RS-G with a GTX 1070 from a Polish site: http://sklep.hyperbook.pl/
    Should arrive in 4-5 business days.

    Would have taken the 6820HK processor, but they don't have it available in their configurator.

    Was also considering the P775DM2/3 with a GTX 1080, but asked about the screen and it only comes with a 75Hz panel at the moment.
    According to them, a 120Hz panel will be available in 2 months for that model.
    A 4k screen is available in only for the P751DM-2 and P870DM3.
     
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    Unigine Valley Ultra + gpu z
    [​IMG]
     
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    What are the decibel levels like at load?
     
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    I believe the slimmer BGA ones, P651 and P671 do not have Thunderbolt.
    The 15" P751DM2/3 has Thunderbolt 3, if you are okay with the extra weight.
     
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    The extra weight would be ok but it also cuts in half the battery runtime :(
     
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    those are pretty nice temps. still at automatic fans? what's your ambient temps and how long did you run unigine valley? i do apologize for the numerous questions, but you are one of the first to show benchmarks and temps of the unit. thank you
     
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    @Niklasvaag hmn. ran valley benchmark with the same setup as yours (quality set at ultra, no AA, 1920x1080 full screen judging from your settings) using my p650RE3. I overclocked my 970 with +135Mhz to core and +450 to clock via nvidia inspector and I basically got the same score as yours. strange. i wonder why your performance is capped at utility all throughout the run. here are my results if you're interested.
    valley.jpg
     
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    Don't forget that G-sync limits the fps to the screen refresh rate ;).
     
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    10xunigine valley (30min)
    max temp 80°c


    1 hour far cry 4 at max 72°c
     
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    and for the CPU please?
     
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