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Just found this. Seems pretty positive for those of us with RS laptops on the way. https://m.reddit.com/r/laptopama/co...700hq/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=false

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Based on some very good advice i'm looking closely at the P650RS.

Any thoughts on travel? The one issue I have is mobility.

I plan on traveling with this and a work laptop (Dell Latitude 7470 - 0.7" and 3lbs). The total weight isn't too much of a problem (less than 9 lbs between the two), but the thickness might be. I plan on stuffing both in my old Brenthhaven bag and stuffing it under the seat in front of me on the plane.

Is this crazy? Any advice on traveling with a P650RS? (Also, besides this forum and Redit I haven't seen any reviews!)

 

Beyond going to an MSI GS series laptop, I'm not sure you can get a whole lot thinner while still packing a 1070. If you can deal with a 1060 you could get the p650rp6 which is under an inch thick. The rs is only a bit over 1 inch thick which I'm sure you already know. Also keep in mind that thinner almost always equals worse thermals and louder fans.

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Thanks for the feedback! Yes, the other extreme I'm looking at is the XPS 15 or Zenbook style of machine, but honestly those come close in price so I'd rather get the better performer (and maybe a better laptop...).

Actually, I think I can answer my own question. Before I got a thinner Dell for work, I was traveling with a Dell Latitude E6530. Looking more closely, the weight and dimensions of that are very close to the P650RS:

E6530: 15.12" x 1.11" x 10.16" @ 5.4 lbs
P650RS: 15.16" x 1.13" x 10.61" @ 5.5 lbs

If I've got that right, then I don't see a problem. I used to pull out my E6530 on the plane without only a little hassle.

Anyone have experience traveling with one of these things? Any trouble getting a few hours of gaming in on a plane? =)

EDIT: I wish the P650RP6 came with a 4K display option.

 

Those specs look right to me. Problem with the xps or zenbook is the GPU is going to be pretty weak. Im assuming that you are looking at the clevo for Pascal? If not you could get like a Razer blade stealth with egpu as another option. Or even the normal Razer blade.

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Forewarning too...thinner it is the hotter it will be. Razer blades are great but get hot and even overwatching talking to friends who own them its fan screaming for help can be heard over voip. GS is similar, temps will be in upper range of what would be considered ok 1inch mark is kind of say...normal for all situations then we get the obese behemoths which require its own airplane ticket and the petite light weights you can sneak through tsa.



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Haha yea. I pointed that out in my first reply to him. Is why I suggested the blade stealth with egpu also. But I'm not totally sure what he's planning to use it for. The p650/670 strike a good balance between portability and cooling imo.

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I knows~ just wanted to touch on it more. Totally agree! When you get it youll see internal clearance and be surprised though im still confused by the shim on cooling setup its thickness really does nothing unless its just there to connect heatpipes to bottom of laptop to also have it take some heat away... But even the fan housing is copper! its pretty crazy once you get used to plastic being used wherever possible.

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I am curently using the pg279q(165hz, 5ms, G-sync) from Asus hooked to the P650RS-G and the results are comparable to my GTX 1080 desktop, so very impressed. The main downside vs the desktop is the noise that the laptop make. Does anyone know if there is a bios update on the way or any way to customize the fan profiles ? Would be much appreciated !

 

For the GPU, any aftermarket GPU tweaking app like EVGA precision xoc should be able to do a customizable fan profile very easily. In xoc you literally just move dots on a curve to set fan speed for the corresponding temps. I'm sure you can do something similar for CPU fan with maybe like Intel xtu.

 

I emailed sager asking about update for fan ec and bios update like 6 hours ago so shall see unless meager pops in before it gets answered hopefully tomorrow.

But so far nada unless you want to speed up the fans which i take it is opposite of goals? Try what xile said though


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I mean... I just used precisionX(their software for non Pascal cards) like a week ago to tweak the fan profile on my desktop 970. I would assume it works on mobile too but maybe not. I've never owned a gaming laptop.

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It depends so much. Some laptops don't budge or report wrong rpm entirely... Speedfan for instance on my machine kills trackpad + reports bad rpm. Can't hurt to try it though! Else we wont ever know lol

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I tried lots of things to customize he fan profiles, the only way that seems to work for now is to set a higher desired temperature for the CPU cores in Speedfan and leave the fan profile on automatic in Control Center, When I choose customized fan profiles in Control Center, It does'nt follow the settings I entered and sometimes simply shut down until the temp get too high and the fans start reving up loud.

 

Well that's disappointing, I wish I had the patience to wait but it looks like I'll have to pull the trigger on buying now lol.

By the way, would there be any point in getting the 4k display? Now that I've read here that the 4k display comes in 60Hz with GSync, I would be tempted to get that instead. Although, some of what I read say that 4k display would be wasted on displays less than 40", does this hold any truth?

 

LOL 40" hell no. Typing this from a 27" right now. So here's the deal, without scaling 4K on a 15" screen will look really tiny. However, with scaling things should look the same but also be much crisper. The biggest negative is the impact on battery life, and if you use any specific programs all the time that don't support scaling. I never even considered FHD personally, but I know others who hate 4k on here.

Edit: I've also barely understood why you wouldn't use scaling. Without it everything just looks tiny as hell and is just as blurry when you look closer to actually read it. The crispy image is definitely what I want 4k for.

 

Yes, sorry to rehash this topic - I'm sure it gets discussed a lot and I do appreciate the help.

I'm really looking for the best laptop to travel with and do some gaming. Pretty much every system I like (both thin and thick) runs about $2K. For that money, the Clevo really does seem to yield the best return in terms of performance and build quality.

The key is that I believe I should be able to travel with the P650RS just fine. This was the point of uncertainty (until I realized I'd been lugging around a Latitude E6530 for years which is pretty close in size and weight).

Again, thanks for the help in mulling this over =)

 

I haven't yet tried 4K, but I've been using an Ultrabook with 2560 x 1440 and I really like it. It's tough to go back to FHD from this. Everything looks so much sharper.

 

I dont see the point for a 4k display on a 15 inch display. the ppi is overkill. 2k (2560x1440) would be a more logic upgrade but they dont make them.

1080p on a 15.6 panel is 141 ppi. 4K on a 15,6 panel is 282 ppi. Find a display that have good clarity to you, (could be your phone or a monitor) find its ppi (google ppi calculator) and you will be able to see what ppi is the sweetspot for you and determine if 4k is worth it
to me, it was not. Not to mention that gaming at 4K will lower your fps a lot

As Steve Jobs said: "It turns out there's a magic number right around 300 pixels per inch, that when you hold something around to 10 to 12 inches away from your eyes, is the limit of the human retina to differentiate the pixels." Given a large enough viewing distance, all displays eventually become " retina."

 

you can control fan profiles in XTU?

 

After taking in what you had just said, I actually will be going with the 4k display now. I have a Nexus 6p which display is really great to me and it has a listed 516ppi. Thank you to those who replied with these info, much appreciated!

 

Hey guys, I have a P670RS-G - I didn't find a thread dedicated to owners other than the one that seemed generic with questions for the P670RS-G so I hope this is the right place - do you guys experience a lot of hangs and crashes with this machine? I am using the Windows installed driver for mine and it seems to be the best, but the past two have been almost completely unusable with this system. I cannot get through an hour of gaming so far with this machine without it at least crashing or blue screening. All nVidia's drivers seem awful so far, but I'm also wondering if it's a combination of my RAM and the video driver? I am running GSkill 2666 on the i7 6820HK @ 4GHz for 1 thread and 3.8 for 2-3-4 with no OC on anything other than the clock speeds. The GPU seems unstable as hell and really would like some help with this. I know when nvidia drivers are newer they're usually garbage, but this is unreal!

 

First things first, are you sure it is not overheating? Most people report very good temperatures, but a few have found them to be in the 90C range, which may cause problems.

 

Uh, did u mess with the voltage on the cpu? You may have needed to and now have an unstable cpu overclock. Kinda sounds like its crashing because it cant get enough power or something along those lines drivers shouldnt crash so much.

 

Nope. Didn't touch the voltage. Even at stock it was doing it since I thought that too.
This is most likely drivers / video card RAM related. Running in dedicated GPU mode since I'm used to G-Sync from my desktop monitors. (75Hz panel)

Edit:
I've changed back the CPU settings to stock just to see if the crashes continue so we can rule that out.

 

On stress tests I never saw +74 degrees and haven't measured during gaming but will now.
I repasted after the stress test just to be sure and I'm fairly certain the machines been cooler, as the fans have been a non issue so far.

 

Hmmm. Try a RAM test to see if its corrupt, and you could also in bios switch to the igpu to see if its a gpu issue. This is not normal, @Kittys has a 670RP-G and did not report anything like that.

 

Agree on doing memtest. I would nix OC for entirety of tests so good choice on doing so...download the drivers from sager besides audio and install them then install nvidia 372 because the GFE that installs gives older version and its bugged up wont see newest driver.

Edit: are you ram mixing at all? Or just pure g.skill. try xmp profile too
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I ran a MemTest prior to this since I thought it was the memory as well which succeeded, but unfortunately for me, all signs keep pointing to the GPU.
I do have a 'go' machine in the form of the P640RE with 2400MHz DDR4- I'm going to try swapping that into this machine. I'll let you guys know how it goes!
Thanks!

 

No RAM Mixing, just the GSkill.

 

I wonder if, when you repasted, some part of the GPU die was left exposed. Happens sometimes with bubbles as I understand. If there is no paste between part of the die and the heatsink then heat won't get transferred, and the GPU will overheat while the fans may not kick in since the heat is not getting dissipated to the heatsink. I would run some benchmarks now to rule out any physical issues since everyone's got the same drivers and this is a problem that hasn't been reported before.

 

Thanks mishkasm, but I am doubtful of that being the case since the factory paste did it as well. I will definitely try re-pasting though, because more than anything I just want this machine to work.

 

If you are sure it is not the paste/heat then I would probably leave it be. See if Kittys or others who actually have the laptop in hand can help you out. Otherwise contact whoever you bought it from - most resellers with a good reputation will help you out. Sorry about the problems you are having and good luck.

 

Drop the ram down to 2400Mhz and what nviddy driver are you on? Freezing can be shot in dark unless there are some kind of error codes... does anything show up in event viewer?

 

You guys may want to download the new GeForce experience beta. It's been working fine for downloading proper drivers for me.

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I have a "build quality" question. The big laptops I've thrown (i.e. placed carefully) into my backpack and put under the seat in front of me in the airplane have been Dell Latitude's. I believe these Dells can really take a beating. My personal Ultrabook is an HP Spectre 13t which is really solid (solid metal case). These laptops have all held up under regular travel.

So how is the Clevo P650RS going to be for travel? It's roughly the size of the Dell's I've traveled with, but will it be as robust? How stiff is the lid and chassis - can it handle any pressure from above?

My nightmare scenario is hearing a cracking sound when I put my backpack under the seat in front of me on the plane...

 

They are almost completely aluminum. I have read that the lid has a bit of flex. I'm not sure if that's hinges or the actual lid itself though. Apparently aside from that it's pretty robust. If it helps, I have been tossing my little carbon fiber Sony Vaio pro under airplane seats in my backpack for years and never had an issue. Unless it's compressing down to smaller than the laptop it should be fine unless it's getting wedged.

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Better than a spectre worse than a Latitude. Latitudes are business class machines with extremely high build standards. I literally saw one get run over by a van and survive unscathed. As long as you don't literally throw it it should hold up fine. The chassis is metal, the screen bezel is plastic however, so that's the part to be most careful around. It should be fine though its not built like consumer junk.

 

I got my NP8351-S from LPC Digital yesterday. Haven't had a chance to test much, but so far I'm very impressed overall. I've played a few games for about 20-30 minutes and everything is running at 60fps. It has G-Sync, but it's still capped at 60hz as others have indicated with the P650 models. I can overclock it to 63hz, but what's the point. Anything beyond that doesn't work.

Right now I have two concerns with the display. I have a decent (and unfortunate) amount of backlight bleed in the upper right and lower left corners. I may try to do the "insert paper behind the bezel" trick, or take the lid apart and see if I can improve it... as usual, putting a slight flex into the lid drastically improves the bleed, so it seems that the display is just being torqued a bit by the lid.

Also, I've noticed something I've seen on other IPS laptops... I believe it's pixel inversion. It's most noticable in blues and oranges. If I understand it correctly, it's due to the voltages not being set right in the display and there's not much an end user can do to resolve it. I'm curious if anyone else has noticed this? It looks like vertical stripes (alternating columns of pixels) in oranges and blues. Here's a picture, but this doesn't translate as well as IRL due to it being a photo of my actual display. Anyone else seeing this?

http://imgur.com/ovJD9Gv

This is the 1080p display, BTW.

Edit: I'll post more details about performance, etc when I have more time in a few days. But for now, I'll say I haven't had any excessive fan noise when playing games, and the highest CPU temp seems to have been around 72C. Most games like Doom, Far Cry Primal, etc. run around 50-60C for both CPU and GPU. I haven't noticed any downclocking/throttling from the CPU.

Also, I hooked up my Oculus Rift, and while the Oculus software says that I don't meet the minimum specs (I have 6820HK, 1070, 16GB Ram) it runs great so far. No issues with the HDMI not working, etc. Seems great. I'll test with my Vive in a few days and report back.

For now, just curious if any others are seeing the pixel inversion that I'm seeing.

 

I see it in the blue...yuck. I would return that right away.

 

If the P650RS can surpass the Spectre 13t in build quality that would be amazing. That little computer is quite solid.

 

Awesome laptop and I hope you get the screen issues resolved. I know it's a bummer to find these things while running through the paces with a new machine...
I also want to buy one of these and I had a quick question: how much "flex" do you notice in the lid? Does it have a lot of "give" or do you really have to use some force to notice any flex?

 

Thanks, I hope it's something that can be figured out. For the lid/screen flex, I had seen a Hardware Canucks video review of the Eurocom M5 which used the previous version of the P650 and after watching that video and hearing what others have said, I was kind of worried. However, after having it in my hands, it's not as bad as I had anticipated. There is enough flex where you'll feel better opening the lid from the center only (if you use one hand), but it's not so bad that it would be a big deduction for this laptop overall. It's something to watch out for, but at least the outer lid is al-alloy.

Edit: To answer your last question more specifically, if you were to open the lid from the right corner instead of the center, the right corner would be a bout a half inch higher than the left corner as you lift it up. Keep in mind though that the hinge is quite sturdy so you are pushing against that in this example.

 

Thanks! That actually does sound like they did a nice job with the lid.

 

Just got the xotic loyalty bundle~ no mousepad, no lanyard (the two things I really cared for, touche xotic) and no paragon or intel promos in box. (For those who cared about the extras)

 

Lame I asked Larry from lpc about the paragon bundle and he said it was his understanding that any laptops shipped out from Sager after the 26th with Pascal cards should have the code. Guess I will see...

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I know in the past Nvidias site has put up promotions for systems that didn't ship with codes sold within certain dates. I would assume but not sure that the Paragon promotion is through Nvidia.

 

It is an Nvidia promotion, I just assumed you had to get the code in box. If there's a way to get the code via another method that would be cool.

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Just got the email, my system has shipped!!! I live in Alabama, and Monday is a holiday, so delivery is not until 9/9. This is going to be a long week

 

You ordered like the 19th right? I've just resigned myself to the fact that it may never ship, so if it does I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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