*** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

Awaiting my RP6 from GentechPC - read a lot about 10xx GPUs before ordering, so I'll just coin in another temp stat from notebookcheck.net, regarding MSI GS73VR (also a 1060):
CPU and GPU temperatures reach very warm levels when subjected to maximum load at up to a recorded 95 C and 86 C, respectively.

I mean yeah, that laptop is crazy thin, but it also has vents everywhere and triple fan system (and probably much more finetuned factory BIOS), so it's more or less on the playing field of P65x here. While MSI GT, as well as Asus G752, and say Acer Predators aren't - they are mammoths.

 

What's confusing me is we are seeing widely varying reports on the temps. For instance obsidian PC was saying about 70c on 1060 and 77c on 1070 after stress testing/benchmarking and the CPU was around 80c. Which lines up with notebook checks review of the p650rp6 too. "After an hour of full load with the tools Furmark and Prime95, the values were all critical. About 80 ° C when Core i7-6700HQ and about 70 ° C in slightly throttling GTX 1060 (is likely to Furmark than at the cooling), go perfectly fine, especially the CPU Turbo is still slightly active."(Google translated). What could be the cause of these huge variations?

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Obsidian did mention that they used Arctic grizzly compound and cooling pads.

 

True but many of these come with icd7 default if they are sagers which is supposed to be good. I find it hard to imagine that the paste is responsible for taking the GPU from like 77->high 80s? Maybe I underestimate the effect of the paste.

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No it's a bios bug, there are intermediary fan profiles that are missing...they will clearly help with cooling the laptop, imagine in full load your laptop's fans are stuck in low speed as long as they are < ~90°C...

No don't worry you're right, thermal paste unless it's badly applied, will only differ by some °C.

I think that it's the nature of the tests that is the culprit : firestrike, heaven, valley, furmark all have different sometimes unreal effects on GPU temps .

What matter is in gaming, what are the temps ? And I doubt it it is 90°C, and did obsidian made the tests with the corrected bios or the faulty one ?

 

Let's just say I really do hope that ends up being the case for the sake of those who have already purchased.

 

So no one in the supply chain (Clevo, Sager, reseller) had a problem shipping laptops with this botched fan profile? Speaks very poorly of the QA of everyone involved.

 

As for fan speed. Can't we just make custom fan profiles? I know on desktops we can. Seems like that'd be a sure fire way to fix that issue with little effort.

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Is there anyways to improve the speakers for p670rp-g the subwoofer doesn't do much i have the sound blaster thing installed but still i dont feel the bass

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"Feel", huh.

 

That sub is hardcore. Lol. I'll be using my hyperx clouds for sure xD.

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Any and all subs in lappies are lolsriffic. Gonna do write up tomorrow since ms finally fixed my key error so woot! Hopefully power wont get knocked out here though... (yay for fl) Gonna throw everything at it including some OC tests however I wont really be adding too many Game benchmarks as its within 10% of desktop variant overall so mostly synthetics if anyone has requests for certain things go for it and ill add it in

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Uhm, does anybody with i7-6700HQ also observe those super high 90+ C temperatures?

I got impression that it's just i7-6820HK that's the hot devil.

Both NotebookCheck and John@OBSIDIAN-PC had just i7-6700HQ and temps there were fine.

 

Can't wait! Though if you do have any graphically intense games. Could you maybe play one for a bit and grab temps? That may show what to expect in real world scenarios.

Maybe that's it. But some people were also showing super high GPU temps which is odd since others are reporting temps in the 70s which is good imo.

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6820 shouldn't be hitting those temps normally unless overclocked. Probably bad paste job

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Like @Kittys said the 6820hk should probably be a bit cooler at stock since its binned higher.

 

6820hk does seem to eat a little bit more energy (which should mean more heat) even at its respective stock (and dramatically more so at OC, which is probably a temptation for everybody who paid extra for it ):



http://www.notebookcheck.net/Skylake-for-Notebooks-Core-i7-6700HQ-and-i7-6820HK-Review.150864.0.html

 

Coolings altered to handle the temps. You should be idling around 4xC with a 6820 or lower

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Are you sure? it seems all the p650rs and p670rs use the same fan and heat pipe setup from what I have seen. Also that's a little over an 8% increase in power draw which isn't exactly small. I'll have to research more into the specifics of the processors to do a better comparison. I'm also looking into modifying the GPU vbios to undervolt the 1070 a bit but I've never done any of that. If I do some undervolting once mine shows up I'll post before and after temps.

 

For clevos im not sure but your probably right. But ive seen others do stuff like tack on extra heat pipe at work for unlocked mobile in same chassis

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Well, I have absolutely no problem regarding temperatures and fans speed/noise with my RP6 (1600, 6700HQ).

I have only tested with rocket league and NBA 2k16 (both with max settings, no g-sync) and temperatures stabilized around 57-62 for the GPU. (can't remember CPU Temps but they weren't hot)

As for the fans noise, they didn't even kicked in at top speed. They were running at like a low medium while playing.

But yeah, maxed the speed with control center and it got really noisy. But then again, I doubt the fans will ever get to that speed unless you're running benchmarks.

 

P670RP6-G
Non-Technical Review, Ho!

First thing? Looks!
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The laptop borrows its design from its previous version considering it is a refresh retaining its full metal body. The only exterior changes are the placement of sub-woofer and some screw holes on the bottom. I personally think the brushed design is clean and professional & toting this laptop around you will not feel like a gaudy fool for buying a "gaming" emblazoned system, so pretty much everything Sager & Clevo have stood for. Fully loaded the 17.3 model weighs in at around 8 pounds but still feels easily portable due to its size which does not try to embody gluttony (Im looking at you Acer with your "21 X") The laptop is not the thinnest thing ever but it makes incredible use of its space and due to the design even fits on lap-pads designed for "15.6 laptops max".

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So what about the guts?​

Once you lift the bottom panel you are greeted to entirety of the guts. which allow you to add 2 M.2 Drives, Two 7mm HDD, 2 ram slots along with 2 more behind keyboard and full access to the motherboard. The only cooling change from the year previous seems to be the addition of a heat pipe connecting both GPU and CPU cooling solutions along with a shim over the top as-well. (I think they accidentally started to blackout the
copper on mine)

Input on the inputs
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You will be greeted to two usb-c Gen2, MiniDP, and two usb three ports on the left hand side along with a sd card reader, ethernet, and another usb port on the right side plus your audio ports. For those of you using kensington locks it is also present on the right hand side. On the back you will find another miniDP, hdmi, and your power jack. If you need TPM I am also happy to say my unit came with TPM 2.0. (consult seller first though) I found this more than enough because if you need more usb ports remember you can take advantage of usb-c and have a usb breakout box. go here for more photos

So...is it too hot to handle?
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Someone else can focus on gaming aspect purely but we can get down to the grit of it. Idle package temp for the CPU was around 36c with it going up to 41c. Idle temp on the GPU was 40c to 42c. This is all while sitting on top of a plastic lap-desk on-top of a bed. Breaking out origin to play Battlefield 1 beta fully maxed in DX11 mode for an hour brought CPU package temp to 63c along with the GPU temp to 72c all while remaining silent. Now from what I understand there is a new Bios/EC that helps so this is a pre-update analysis. Playing games like Tera & Overwatch maxed when directly in contact with skin in lap has also not proved problematic at all as it dissipates heat relatively well. But wait! HDD & M.2 temps are also an extremely important thing the M.2 X400 has been a pretty 41c constant with both HDD squished together no less at 32c pretty good here.

The Low Down
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I have gone through laptops a lot. When purchasing this laptop without much information I went in knowing Clevo was a good brand even if its not an A-Label, If you have never owned a Clevo before you will not be disappointed. One old thing that was always complained about was the keyboard and touch-pad. comparing it to the GE62 the touchpad and L/R buttons are much more responsive in this system and do not misclick. If you are curious on keyboard it now feels nearly identical with the steel series keyboards found on MSI systems and is amazing to type on so far. You will have to get used to the fingerprint reader in the center but that is easy and can be overlooked. Overall its a solid piece of kit! The IPS Gsync panel goes to 75hz, the GPU can handle +150 OC and above easily with only 2-3c change in temps and Xfi5 makes decent work of the speakers to make them tolerable, albeit still on the tinny laptop-speaker side (same as every laptop ever). I would highly recommend this laptop and its P650 brother if you want spec without frills or gaming emblazoned on your laptop just because you want a powerful machine. Build quality tops MSI & Asus this generation for their entry series easy.

If you feel like ive missed anything or want anything in specific feel free to ask! and for the conclusion a firestrike score!

~Kittys

Edit:

I realized I never touched upon something critical, G-sync and its requirement of discrete mode instead of hybrid mode. Sager provides a command center where you can switch modes within windows!, optionally you can do it via bios and everything will work out splendid so you can maximize battery when you need to and then let the gpu roar when you need to game so do not be afraid.

 

Great review! Even though I have the p650rs-g coming instead of your model, I am encouraged by your satisfaction with your system! You mentioned playing on a lapdesk in bed; I use a lapdesk while gaming too, albeit on my couch. However, this means that I typically use the trackpad and mouse buttons while gaming...did you notice any ghosting type activity? Specifically, did clicks register while moving using the keyboard?

My Alienware is awful about not registering clicks when using movement keys, and I had the same problem with my GE62 Apache Pro.

 

I got rid of my apache pro because I couldn't handle it even with trackpad delay disabled. With this unit so far its been click and it happens instead of frustration spamming left or right click 10x for it to finally happen (was death of me and made playing on the GE62 unbearable) Ive yet to experience that terror but...I havent tried anything that requires high CPM either. Bed...couch...either way its squish under your tush!

 

Right on, I like your style!

 

Someone from design didn't get the memo for this one. Sucks because it's a fantastic laptop, but it looks tacky as hell.

 

Regarding the BIOS/EC update, do we have to send it back to the reseller we got it from or can we do it ourselves using a flash drive?

 

Yeah its unfortunate

No you get it from threads here, your reseller, etc. I just am unsure but i think its been mentioned multiple times here our units have better ec update just no idea where as of now if that is the case.

 

Awesome review! I've got the p650rs coming but this reassures me about many things. Glad to hear about the keyboard. Sounds like it's of good quality. Also those temps are great. Bf1 is probably pushing that card pretty hard too so it's a good test to use. Hoping my 1070 doesn't run too much hotter.

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just for the laughs im gonna OC my 970M and run BF1. Got it steady at +75 core increase and +110 on the memory

 

I was getting 70-78fps ultra it was...insane and slightly confusing lol like it never dipped under 70 ever... will be interesting to see it against 970m~ go go go!

 

It looks better in person and a different crowd tends to order that one plus you can turn the lights off.

 

It's definitely not a photogenic laptop, that's for sure. The angles look extremely weird depending on the angle you photograph it, but in-person it's fine. That said, I own it, just wish it didn't have the weird double T lights in the back, even with them disabled.

 

I kind of like them personally not so much in the green but in a blue or red.

 

you are running a 1060 right? I got around 81fps average on ultra preset. Max temp was 78 celcius.

 

That seems crazy good for a 970m even with PC, Impressive. Are you guys both at 100% rendering resolution? I've heard there's a bug where 41% is actually native and 100% is 2x or something. But it may have been patched already.

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Yeah i just ticked it to ultra. I also had gsync enabled though

Something something...needs more pink. Not just on that but everywhere

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yep i left the rendering resolution at its default 100%. I didnt move the other slider either. I would think that its because my 970M is the 6GB version in the P150SM-A chassis. Fan speed was left on auto too.

 

I'm very interested to see how an OC-ed 1060 will handle it since its slated as the direct replacement to the 970M

 

Gsync on will limit fps to ~75 correct? Maybe that's why your fps was slightly lower than the 970m

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The keyboard can be pink, did not check the lid

 

Something seems afoot. My "ultra" setting defaults to 42% and with that no gsync I get 80-115 fps in games but if I set it to 100% it goes to like 40fps. Very interesting with the bugs I guess its a blank shot until stable release though 970M Vram wont make a difference until it hits threshold. Besides that Its not working in fullscreen

Is lid RGB?! I was wanting to make joke about that but ill stay shh (ps what happens if I regret de-badge?)

 

Yea I think 42% is native resolution which is just weird...100% would be 2x upscale so 40fps actually isnt bad. The 1060 has 6gb too and should be comparable to a desktop 980 in performance, so I'm not entirely sure why the 970m would be able to push 80fps at 2x upscale at ultra even with a decent OC...it shouldn't even be a competition really.

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Edit:
Glue stick and Sager logo for the badge issue xD

 

i shall go and recheck my settings. I may have misread the config

 

This is the settings that murdered fps so check with same I guess?

 

It's possible it's just super buggy. Also I blame dice for making a game where resolution set to 100% is 2x upscale...and 42% is normal...not even 50%...because that makes sense...

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yeap i misread the resolution scale. my apologies. Mine is set to 50% on both sliders

 

Playing with oc

 

Still impressive though IMO. Average fps in the 80s on a mobile 970 on ultra is pretty awesome.

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