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Ran it a couple of times... managed to get 8498 this time, so I guess it's cool.

As for the temperature, it maxed out at 64 C according to GPU-Z.

Edit: that temp is for the 980M. At idle right now I'm at 42 C.

 

Man, I thought I did my research before choosing this model but you've put some doubts in my mind. I hope your concerns turn out not to be well-founded! I suspect the answer to your question will be that most people do think the 600g (1.55 lbs according to Sager) difference is worth it, but I'll be curious to see what others say. I don't recall reading any reports that the 65x models have such heat problems that they end up getting throttled, so maybe that's part of the puzzle. Undervolting for heat reduction also seems popular with this crowd, so maybe that's another part of the answer to both questions.

 

Yes, it's not like the BIOS screens of old that were actually doing nothing

 

For benchmark scores, they can vary quite a lot depending on RAM you have.

That 3dmark link posted showed 8 GB RAM, so I assume single-channel (1x 8 GB). With dual-channel RAM (e.g. 16 GB = 2x 8 GB) you should get higher score (graphics subscores shouldn't change much, physics and combined do).

I know as I was freaking about this a year ago when I got my notebook. Everybody was posting higher 3dmark / 3dmark 11 numbers, but they all had 16 GB RAM vs my 8 GB.

Please note the exact RAM size doesn't matter (e.g. I think with Skylake you may get 16 GB with single RAM stick). What matter is if you have one / two / three / four RAM sticks to get single-channel vs dual-channel.

Also memory performance makes very little tangible difference in real world applications (e.g. games), just benchmarks can amplify it a lot.

 

Glad to hear your score is as expected now (and higher than mine )! I was wondering if maybe HWMonitor was reporting a high GPU temp, I tried Fire Strike with GPU-Z running just now, and got 78C. This was coming from absolutely 0 load (turned off for a couple hours) so I'm pretty sure that mine is unfortunately 'special'.

I reached out to XoticPC to see if there's anything they can do about this since hkblue reported similar results. I'd rather not deal with even higher temps down the road as goes with normal use. Thanks for sharing man!

 

You can check for an entire CPU comparison from here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Skylake-for-Notebooks-Core-i7-6700HQ-and-i7-6820HK-Review.150864.0.html. It compares a Clevo 671RG and a 4GHz version OC of the same laptop (with the HK). Furthermore, in most cases, the CPU will bottleneck your performance, not your GPU, especially if we're running a 980M. Though, the only true way to confirm this is to check their percentages in game. Bottle-necking also depends on what you're running, as some games are optimised better and others not. Over-clocking will give you noticeable increased performance, but at the cost of high fan speed / noise and obviously, a lower battery life if you're running it in portable mode.

 

I have a question about Lightroom and SSDs, so I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'll try anyway. I currently have Lightroom installed on my SSD, but earlier I edited and exported a bunch of photos to my HDD where I keep the rest of my media. The export process caused my laptop to become really slow and my mouse was very jittery, almost unusable during the export process. Is this due to the SSD exporting to HDD or something? I didn't experience this with my old laptop, as it just had one HDD and it didn't lag during export.

 

Mouse jitter and that sort of lag has nothing to do with the physical writing to the disk. Rather, it's because of high CPU usage that's causing input lag from your peripherals (this can be on account of poor optimisation by the programmers for your program). You can try tweaking some settings on Lightroom with exporting, or it may be a bug in the application. If this is a bug issue, writing to SSD should also incur the same problem, but you should try to make sure if you want.

 

I believe they both have the same cooling system, and the temperature differential is due to a larger chassis. You'll find that often, Clevo uses the same motherboard and cooling system on both 15“ & 17" variants of the same laptop (they also use the same keyboard, rather than creating a version specifically for the bigger 17" chassis.

UPDATE: After reviewing pics and videos, it appears they both have the exact same cooling solution (same fans, heat sinks, heat pipes, etc.). In other words, Clevo did not create a cooling system specifically for the larger 17" chassis.

The 17" LG IPS is indeed better than the 15" one (I've owned machines using both those displays).

The 651 is more popular for several reasons :

1) It has several options when it comes to displays, while the 671 only has one.
2) The smaller 651 is more portable
3) The 651 is usually a bit cheaper

You are correct that the GPU will be the bottleneck and not the CPU. That's why older laptops that have had their GPUs upgraded perform on par with newer models. Very little has been accomplished in terms of CPU performance gains over the past few years, unlike GPU performance which doubles every few years.

Unless you're doing very CPU intense stuff, the gaming performance increase in terms of FPS will be minimal between those two CPU's.



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Yeah, you were right. Writing to my SSD had the same problem. I'm confused though because I am using the same version of Lightroom (and same export settings) that I used on my old laptop that did not have the issue. My Sager has the i7-6700HQ @ 2.6GHz and my old (2.5ish years) laptop had an i7-3630QM @ 2.4GHz. Both with 16GB RAM.

 

Hmm, I'm not sure. From googling around, it doesn't seem that you're the only one having this issue. It's possible that it's just poorly optimised :/. That's what I've been hearing about Lightroom 6 anyway. You can try downgrading to Lightroom 5 for now, considering that it's still working fine, if you can't put up with the lag.

 

Yeah, no worries! I appreciate the help you've given me!

 

Yes, sadly even the best hardware in the world can't make up for poorly written software.

 

Assassin's *cough* Creed *cough cough* Unity *cough*

 

*cough* Ubisoft *cough*

Full stop really.

 

Huh, didn't know that Fn+F10 would actually toggle the webcam. Never had a laptop that had a switch like that.

So far this laptop has been working out pretty well! The battery life is acceptable in Optimus mode (4-5 hours with WiFi on), and the fans are quiet in general usage.

I did experience a small bit of ghosting on the LCD. I've got the 1080p panel as well. But I only noticed the ghosting on Windows' gray screen while rebooting.

 

Not surprised, would be my choice for a 15" machine, with the 1080p IPS.

 

What are the dimensions of the PSU used for this laptop?

 

I've just received my p650rg. While the CPU is almost always cool the GPU can get upto around 81-82C. While the laptop can handle that easily and it matches the temps for the p650sg it still seems high as compared to everyone else here on this forum so just wanted everyone's opinions.

 

I'll check for you when i get back home

 

Did you pay for or perform a thermal compound upgrade?

 

yeah i got the arctic mx4 extreme thermal compound...its only during the witcher 3 this happens and that does tend to run gpu at consistent 98-99% and so the temps slowly increase to 82 C on automatic fan profile.

 

What's the max temp you get during 3DMark 11?

 

I posted my Temps and bench marks earlier on in the thread if anyone wanted to back to the early pages and fun them if they were concerned with theirs. I can try posting a link later as I am on my phone.

I am wondering if anyone else is having display issues upon boot where the items are all messed up. I posted an image earlier on and I think someone said it happened to them once.. I've had it happen 3 times now.. reach time a reboot fixes it but wth causes it?

20151018_141841 by JMattes posted Oct 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM

 

That is weird. What drivers are you running for the GPU?

 

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I've had that happen to me once so far, but it was only looked like that on my laptop monitor and was fine on my external monitor. No clue what causes it.

 

The ones on sager.. not sure version.. I'll check tomorrow.

 

I have yet to run it...will do so when i get back home today

 

Just received mine yesterday. It came with a bag of extra screws and two double-backed squishy pads... what are those for?

[Edit] The Synaptics touchpad driver is broken right out of the box. Now I have no confidence that any of the other drivers were installed correctly either. Wasn't the QA process supposed to catch stuff like this?

 

The pads are in case you want to put two 2.5" drives in the bay - they go between them. I'm assuming that's what the screws are for too (securing the extra 2.5" drive in the bay).

 

In the Clevo Control Centre, did you set the profile to Balanced or Performance?

 

Just ordered np6858.

From manila and will arrive in a month.

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Aha! Thank you.

As I mentioned, the touchpad drivers weren't installed correctly somehow. The symptom was that scrolling did not work, and when I tried to open touchpad settings, I got an error message stating that Windows couldn't contact the Synaptics touchpad or something to that effect. I re-installed the driver and now scrolling does work and I can open touchpad settings, but does make me question whether all the other drivers are working correctly or not. Should I just reinstall all of the drivers? I was hoping I wouldn't have to be bothered with this step this time since I ordered it with Windows pre-installed; normally I order it with no OS and perform the installation myself.

 

The screws are for the hdd bay.. I didn't even this to use the pads haha..

 

Upgrade your drivers from the Nvidia website . I haven't had any issues since .

 

OK, so I'm bumbling my way along trying to undervolt my system. All of the guides I can find refer to older versions of XTU. I ran a 5 min CPU stress test and the max package temp recorded was 74C with 0 thermal throttling, so even at stock my system seems to be running with some decent thermal headroom. As for performing the undervolting itself, all the guides say to adjust the Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset under Manual Tuning. Well, the latest XTU doesn't have a Manual Tuning, it has Advanced Tuning and there is no listing for Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset. I tried changing the Core Voltage Offset to -60 mV, applied the changes and re-ran the stress test for 5 mins, during which the package temp reached 71C so that's a little improvement. Am I even adjusting the right setting? Is anyone else even doing this?

 

Yeah, I had a horrible experience with installing the drivers that came with the CD in the package. After installing all the drivers, my mouse would stop responding and then my laptop would completely freeze up and I'd have to do a hard reboot, only to freeze again on start-up. Sometimes my laptop would even crash during a reboot. I did a system restore and tried installing the CD drivers again, same issue. So I restored again and just threw the drivers CD out the window. I installed the Synaptic touchpad drivers from their website, but my computer blue screened while I was playing GTA V and I got an error message saying the Synaptics touchpad driver was the issue. Not really happy with these errors so far, definitely feel like they should have been checked for before the laptop was shipped out.

 

Update: I found that -200 mV Core Voltage Offset caused my computer to freeze and crash during an XTU stress test, -150 mV was fine, then -175 mV was fine in a 5 min XTU stress test, so I decided to stop there and do a 15 min stress test with OCCT. The OCCT stress test heats up the CPU a lot more than XTU and I never did an XTU stress test at stock voltage, but the difference from -75 mV to -175 mV was -4C under OCCT, so by linear extrapolation it was probably about -7C from stock. Under XTU the difference in max temp from stock to -175 mV was 74C down to 63C or -11C.

 

So,again we have the same problem like with previous models:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/synaptics-causes-bsod-on-p650se.770938/

 

Well I really didnt want to dive into windows 10 due to privacy issues/paranoia (depending on your point of view) and the above BSOD issue makes me lean further away from "upgrading" to the new OS.

None of the people in the thread having BSOD issues (which still seems unresolved) mentioned having problems on WIN7 which brings me to why I've joined this forum and my first post:

I ordered a P650RG and I have been trying to install windows 7 on it for a couple of days now with no luck. This is because WIN7 doesnt inherently support usb 3.0, you can try and google fixes, such as injecting new chipset/3.0 drivers into boot.wim / install.wim of your WIN7 boot usb but this has not worked for me. I have searched online and in these forums with no joy. 8.1 is becoming a more and more attractive option at around 50 bucks.

 

I seem to have the blurry issue with Windows 10. I installed Intel Video and NVIDIA drivers for 980m. However, I experience this weird low dpi/blur sort of thing in some applications like Device Manager. How would I go about to fix this?

 

I may have spoken a little soon: it's still there, but it's definitely reduced. Perhaps it will completely go away over time.

 

Received a p650rg the other day from MetaBox. Had it up and going on 8.1, no hitches at all seemed to be going great and working up to expectations. However after a couple of days I had the laptop in discrete mode, got home to turn it on and all I get is a blacklit keyboard and very little else internally noise wise, no POST or BIOS screen.

Is it in trouble or should I try something before sending it back ?

 

I'm surprised you managed to get -175, since a lot of people can barely get past -50 without issues. That's a solid chip.

 

Hello guys, hope everyone is enjoying their laptops. Just received my P651RE from XMG yesterday and just wanted to give my 2 cents on the process it took for me to get it running.

Here's my buying specs:
15.6" 1920 x 1080 LED Matte IPS with G-Sync (LG LP156WF6-SPB1)
Intel i7-6700HQ (6MB Smart Cache, 2.60GHz)
Nvidia GTX 970M 6144MB GDDR5
8GB HyperX® Impact DDR4 SO-DIMM
250GB Samsung 850 EVO M.2 SSD
XMG Thermal Compound
Qualcomm Atheros Killer Wireless-AC 1525
No OS installed

This purchase was to replace my cute 11" W110ER which eventually fried its motherboard after a good 3 years inning. Decided to salvage the old Plextor 256GB SSD together with its Window 7, with the intention to upgrade to Windows 10.

So for those willing to take this route, there's no problem installing another 2.5" HD/SSD. Its just that its locked behind 10+ screws Lol.

Once you boot up on the P650, Windows 7 will have no problem getting the basic drivers, except....... no generic USB 3.0 drivers. And the BIOS supplied by XMG doesn't appear to an option to downgrade the USB ports on the laptop (since they are all 3.0). I couldn't upgrade via USB =/

So to cut a long story short, make sure you have a Windows 10 ISO file, imaging software / virtual
drive and wireless card drivers on your hard drive together with the OS you intend to do this upgrade path. From here on, USB drivers from Windows 10 and the 2 SSDs made a 2nd (clean) install a breeze. With this bit of DIY, you'll save yourself a cool £80-100, as well as considerable stress.

If anyone wants some benchmarks, temperatures or other info on this particular system, please feel free to ask.

Ezzah, I noticed this issue also. Just right click on the offending program's .exe, then
Properties - > Compatibility Tab - > tick "Disable Display Scaling on High DPI Settings"
Found this occuring on Steam, ESET Nod32 and iTunes.

As for system tools..... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...xes-index-post-1.779394/page-12#post-10104861.
However, it does not appear compatible with Window's text and UI scaling under 'Display Settings'.

 

I found a nice lil registry edit that fixes this universally. The batch just had to be run on startup through Task Scheduler.

 

would surely be nice to actually spill the details on your registry fix @Ezzah, so that other users might also profit from your knowledge

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Agreed, it would be great to know what the registry fix is.

 

I noticed the same thing. It's because W10 by default scales everything up by 125% for no good reason. Press Start, type "display", choose Display Settings, and in the right panel of the resulting window look for a slider about halfway down the pane tha says "Change the size fo text, apps, and other items." It should be at 125%. Slide it all the way to the left (100%) and click Apply. Blurriness begone!

 

Well, don't I feel lucky, then!

I've been spending the last two days installing all my tools (this is my personal computer, but it's primarily for my day job, which is ASP.NET and SQL Server development). The system is holding up great so far and a real pleasure to use. The keyboard feels great and the display looks great to me despite what others have said about it supposedly not being a very good quality display. If I had to gripe about anything it would probably be the touchpad, which grips my finger a little too much and causes little micro-stutters sometimes, and the pinch-to-zoom gesture is a little too eager to zoom when I only wanted to do a two-finger scroll. I just tried turning down the zoom speed; hopefully that will help. I'll get around to installing some games on it eventually and I'm looking forward to witnessing the power of this GPU.