Thanks for the suggestion! I'd just dislike having to do it when XoticPC/Sager should've done it last week before they sent my laptop out lol. Or better yet, what if the paste is just fine, and my GPU or particular chassis runs a bit hot? I was definitely planning on maintaining my laptop on my own, but having to do a re-paste right out of the gate would be disappointing.
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This helpful graph from HTWingNut's review is what concerns me. Mine runs 79C on every game I've tried it with (Rocket League, Metro 2033 Redux, CS:GO, and L4D2) in relatively short sessions. Compared to the non-OC P650SG benchmarks which to my understanding should be similar, mine seem particularly high. Any thoughts would be appreciated!
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but also the type of game, stress test, graphics settings, resolution and driver (to a lesser extent)
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On the day I ordered I was originally told that I'd have my new Sager NP8658-S / Clevo P650RG this Friday, October 30th, but my order from Xotic PC is still in Phase 1 (Payment Processed & Inventory Gathering) so I don't see that happening at this point. The person who called to confirm my order mentioned that it should ship by Nov. 3rd at the latest but I'm starting to get anxious for that date as I need to have it by Nov. 5th... Kinda bummed but I don't think there's much I can do at this point.
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Email or PM me with your order number and I can check in to it. If you do end up wanting to change your wireless card, let me know and I can help get that set up as well. I'll do what I can to see if we can have the system shipped out to you.
In our system, Sagers are built in phase 1, testing and about ready to ship in phase 2, then phases 3-6 are only set up if it comes to us for additional customizations. Then phase 7 when it is shipped out. But contact me with your order and I'll see what I can find out for you!jaybee83 likes this. -
Pat, thanks so much! I wasn't expect such super-quick feedback. Just sent you an email; I appreciate you looking into my order for me.
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Sent you an email back on the update.
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Hi there i'm going to return my Ge72 because drain issue and will buy this one 15 incher. Can someone tell if there are available drivers for windows 7 on this model or i will be forced to crappy and problematic windows 10?
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I found this support article from Apple that describes an identical situation.
I don't recommend doing what it says but the physics of the issue is still relevent.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201786
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Out of curiosity, I just tried a speedtest on my old W530 (Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205), and got the following: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4786567761
Then after waiting a few minutes, I got this on my NP8658-S: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4786564700
Did it a couple more times with fair spaces in between, and achieved similar results. Could be due to a ton of different reasons, but the laptops are sitting side by side, and I even swapped their positions just to see as well. Since I'm migrating from my W530, it's nice to know that I'm getting better slightly better D/L speeds (though I might've been getting these speeds anyways with the default Intel NIC... who knows). -
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Quite magically, the image retention seems to have gone away!
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Is there anyway to disable the Sager boot logo ? It seems like it would speed up my boot time dramatically.
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What are the dimensions of the psu with a 970m?
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Hi all, just got my laptop earlier this week. What are some programs that you use to monitor temps and run benchmark/maintenance tests and whatnot?
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To benchmark. Prime95, Intel Burn Test, Futuremark are good for CPU. For GPU, you can run 3DMark, Unigine Benchmarks (there are free ones for this).chauie likes this. -
Hey guys, looking at getting a P650, was gonna go for a gigabyte p35 for better battery and the 980m, but after further research I hear better things about the P650. Probably going to go with either the IPS or 4k from Xotic PC. Can someone let me know if there is a huge real world difference in battery life between the 2 displays? I only found info on older models, not newer ones with skylake, etc. Thanks!
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I've run 3D Mark Fire Strike and 3DMark 11... and been getting much lower scores than the overall averages posted online (eg 11000 for 3DMark 11 instead of 12000 and 8000 for Fire Strike instead of 9000). It doesn't seem to be a throttling issue, wonder what else could it be? I'm using the latest drivers from Clevo.
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as for power throttling on the GPU: thats a known issue and should be fixed once prema has his mods ready for this machine, just be a little bit patient!
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I intend to undervolt my CPU for cooler running temps. Is it possible to undervolt the GPU (980M) as well? What tools are used to control GPU voltage? Is it pretty much the same procedure of reducing voltage and running a load test to see if it's stable and repeating?
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based on previous experience, hes probably already beta testing with an actual owner of the new P6 series
@AAnderson: i do my cpu undervolting with intel xtu and do stability testing using occt large data set for 5-10 min.
as for gpu undervolting, theres no on-the-fly tools yet for maxwell. u can always mod your vbios and then flash it onto the card thoovervolting is indeed possible with prema mod (once its out). what u can do is force lower clocks on the gpu and vram during idle / everyday office work, makes for an even quieter and cooler machine and also gives a nice bump in battery life
although that would be a moot point here anyways, since uve got optimus on your side
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OK, thanks @jaybee83. That's exactly what I was planning for the CPU. It sounds like the GPU situation isn't as easily done so maybe I'll keep my hands off that for now.
I've of course heard of Prema and his custom BIOSes by now but I am unclear on exactly what their purpose is. I gather that one purpose is to support additional GPUs beyond what Clevo/Sager support, maybe also higher-clocked RAM? What else can we expect to gain from flashing a Prema BIOS, based on historical results? -
support of additional gpus is a moot point here since were talking about a machine with soldered cpu and gpu, thus not upgradeable
what his mods provide are, among other, the following: support for higher clocked ram, unlock for ram overclock, issue fixing such as power throttling on the gpu (fluctuating clocks leading to lower performance), completely unlocked settings in the bios giving u full control of the machine, updated system firmwares, better hardware compatibility (e.g. with ram or pcie storage), sometimes better os compatibility (e.g. being able to install win7 due to legacy control in the bios) and, of course, in machines with socketed hardware, compatibility with future gpu / cpu models
and then also tons of other stuff "under the hood" which i dont even know about, but still helps in smoothing out any potential kinks that are encountereddefinitely worth flashing, if u ask me!
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just got my np8657. runs great but I was wondering if other people's keyboard and lap get easily hot around the CPU area? it's weird cause it seems like the CPU gets hotter than the GPU which I find surprising lol. but my problem is even when the temperatures look equal (like if they're both around 50), my CPU seems to be making my laptop feel warmer. the CPU fan also seems to get noisier way faster than my GPU does. any insight? I'm thinking maybe I should try to undervolt the CPU or something. Anything that doesn't void my warranty at least.
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I'm not home so I can't test it right now, but I was playing GTA 5 last night and the CPU was easily 70-75 degrees while the GPU was about 60-65. Great temps but I just wish it didn't kick on the fan as loudly or get so hot on the keyboard. I'm gonna try turning the settings way down and see how it does.
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Also, the location of the CPU means it's more likely to sit right on your lap, so the heat it does generate will be felt more than the GPU.
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Thanks!
I should add, my current Clevo is still going strong. The only reason I'm upgrading really is for reduced weight and increased battery life. This computer has a 1st-gen desktop i7 in it so it weighs 11.5 lbs without the power supply and has a battery life measured in minutes instead of hours.Other than that I love it; it's really held up well as my main full-time work system.
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Hi, I have 2 questions that I was hoping you Clevo owners could help me answer!
I'm torn between the P671RG and the P651RG, I have made the decision to go with the P671RG based on the following
- I really don't like the heat generation on the 651 model. The 671 seems to have a far better cooling solution (obviously, since it is larger) and is quieter.
- Extra screen real-estate on the 671 never hurts, plus it isn't much bigger or heavier than the 651 (about 600 grams) so it isn't losing that much in terms of portability.
- The display on the 651 (LP156WF6) looks like a significantly poorer quality IPS than the previous AU Optronics panel on the P505, despite the G-Sync. The 671 panel seems brighter and has better contrast.
My 2nd question relates to the processor option: i7-6700HQ vs. i7-6820HK. I understand that the HK can be OC'd quite easily and this is the reason for its £98 surcharge over the HQ, my questions are:
- How does the cooling solution handle the overclocking? I understand that the GPU and overall cooling solution on the 671 is great, but Clevos generally don't cool the CPU particularly well.
- How is there any other benefit to the 6820HK over the 6700HQ apart from ability to overclock?
- Ultimately, is there any real reason to overclock the CPU on these laptops (where CPU and GPU are soldered anyway) given that, for gaming purposes, the GPU is far more likely to be the cause of a future bottleneck than the CPU?
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