*** Official Clevo P570WM | P570WM3 / Sager NP9570 Owners Lounge ***

It can be annoying working on machines and thinking the engineers did not sit down and think about a certain aspect and there may be a simple way of improving performance in certain areas.

However do remember on some of these modifications quite a lot of time can go into them and man hours are not cheap.

 

Yea it has a 11 OROM

 

But apparently customers are...

 

Not at all, it's all invested for the customers, but none of the work is free on this side of the fence.

 

Just some things that should be there are not like RAM timings and overclock. Prema and I hammered out the options in the W110ER in a matter of 40 hours of real work time between the two of us. Granted there needs to be testing involved in addition, but just the point that if a couple of part time enthusiasts can hammer those things out, things that already exist in the BIOS, just aren't present in the menu is laziness imho. Hiring an intern to do the same for a week. Just saying. I don't doubt that it costs money, but I think it's money well invested. It's perception.

 

Well for example our MSI barebones machines do have the memory timings unlocked in the BIOS and that's not something we charge for, also try doing that same work on the P150EM for example, it's bios is a nightmare to work on.

 

+1

Only in the case of P57 the same settings that don't work in XTU also don't work in BIOS...(mainly TDP, RAM speed).
We all just hope Clevo listens this time and that this is going to change with the next BIOS update to make this unleashed monster even a tad wilder.

 

I don't doubt that. But when they offer a premium performance system with no tuning ability it just laughs in the face of the enthusiasts. You of all people should respect that Meaker. All your work with tuning, overclocking, maximizing performance. I much prefer Sager / Clevo over Alienware or MSI (obviously) but things like that just make me irritable. Although that's not hard to do to this old man these days.

I wouldn't expect resellers to have to do this work, it should come from Sager.

 

LOL!
It's not going to come from Sager since Clevo is the controlling interest. And Clevo is pretty firm about that bios. They have nice pockets, but not deep enough to come out to your home and fix user error or take in to many RMA request.
Oh yeah, they also told me flat out. No! No user controlling the bios. And that seems to still hold pretty true to this day. (I talked to them back when I had my Np9262) And we all know how long ago that was.

 

True, true. I guess it would rocket the cost up to Alienware level.

In any case I owe Meaker and Mythlogic and johnksss some rep, but I'm all out of it at the moment.

 

They are simply worried about the increase in return rate.

 

Anyone know where we can get bioses for this machine?

 

EC 1.02.04 FOR BOTH MODELS

BIOS 1.02.06 FOR NON 3D MODEL

BIOS 1.02.06 FOR 3D MODEL

 

Thanks very much for the bioses!

 

waiting for modded bioses =/

 

Well, the wife is going to kill me, but I ordered a P570WM from Mythlogic. 120Hz display, Intel Core i7-3930K, 32GB RAM, and minimal hard drives (I am just going to install the ones in my current laptop).

And if Intel doesn't make the Ivy-E processors backwards compatible with the X79 motherboard, I am going to go crazy

Can't wait for this machine!

 

Congrats on the order! Hopefully you get a few games in before the killing starts.

 

Congrats, we can't wait to build it and pre-hurt (the laptop) for you lol

 

came across this article today - ExclusiveTT: Haswell coming at Computex on Z87 chipset, next-gen performance platform to be X99 :: TweakTown

Whether or not x99 is released this year i really hope currecnt x79 platform could support next gen CPU's. I much like the cooling of the beast, especially with the GPU's. It's probably the only system to give hard times for AW m18x from Clevo in terms of OC possibilities...

Prema

Hey) So the ones that ship with 120Hz displays are 3D models with 3D Vision support and built-in receiver? I thought they just ship the laptops with 120Hz screen, no 3D

 

fairly certain ivy E will still come out it was already covered by xbit. articles about 10c/20t and 12c/24t server CPU ivybridge at 70-15 watts TDP. haswell E won't be compatible with x79 anyway, pins match but won't run and you can thank intel for that lol

 

Unlikely to be one if the P150EM and P170EM are anything to go by.

 

What about the latest bios 1.02.08LS1, and firmware 1.02.05GS? Anyone have those to share? Thanks

I cant oc this 3930k in xtu at all, and anyone else get a speaker click sound just before the laptop boots into windows? Like speakers are initializing? Bugs the hell out of me! The x7200 didn't do that

 

Hello all, its been a while since I was have logged on and participated in the forum. I received my P570wm on the 17th of Jan. 2013. Since that time I have been using it most faithfully just about 24/7 for my studies in Architecture and Engineering. I have thus about 1.5 months of "breaking this sucker in" time. I was not able to get all the previous components that I mentioned in the old 270 lounge for the system. The two differences are the CPU and the SDD's. The 2687w xeon did not test out so good in the manufacture process, so I ended up with the i7-3970x. And the DCC intel 800GB ssd's were not available in my time line, so I went and got 3 Samsung 840pro's and dropped them in after I received it. Set two of them up in Raid 0 and one scratch stand alone.

I have installed full Autodesk suits and Adobe Master collections as well as Rhino, MatLab, etc. I must say the system is amazing for multi application function. I can have 6 to 7 of those high-demand application open at one time and they all work incredibly fast and smooth. I have had a few problems, though resolved most of them:

The first issue was with the audio: The system has like three different applications trying to control sound, to get it to function correctly I ended up going through each application and turning most of the auto set functions off. Finally was able to get the sound right, so good in fact that I had other people in my studio asking me where my speakers were for the dolby system!

The final problem yet unresolved is the stress test of the processor. Temps in duration hover around 91C-93C which results in throttling. Of course this is during 100% loads for duration; although temps do climb to that point fairly fast. Now when I use some rendering software that uses only CPU this is an issue, as the throttling creates a terrible time lag in the process. Working with engineer right now to improve this heat issue. Hopefully I can work them out by the end of the semester, other wise I will be downgrading the processor to 130W in order to fix the problem. Right now the best I can get out of the processor stable is 3.6GHz sustained.

Here is my system config: any questions feel free to ask. I have not done any benches yet as the ones I have seen are for gaming graphics and I am running dual Quadro k5000m's, any suggestions on a good bench software for those cards would be appreciated.

P570wm
17.3 90% ntsc glossy display
(2) 4GB Quadro K5000m's not in SLI
intel 3.5GHz i7-3970x extreme unlocked
(4) 8gb Samsung DDR3-1600, PC3-12800 SODIMMS = 32gb ram
(3) Samsung 840pro 512 GB SSD's two in Raid 0, one Stand alone for scratch/on 3Gb/s bus
Panasonic 6x Blu-ray writer/burner
Bigfoot Killer 1130;802.11 WLAN
Internal BT module

Accessories:
Dell U2713H 2540x1440 resolution in 110%RGB
LaCie 4TB Phillip Starck external HDD(working great for back up and is pretty darn fast for a HDD thru USB 3.0)
3D Space Mouse
Logitech k775 solar wireless keyboard.

I heard recently there is a BIOS update and fan controller update if any one can point me to that direction I would appreciate it

 

So what was the problem with the Xeon? Was it too slow, compared to the i7? Did you compare the two in multi-threaded applications, which should actually be Xeon's domain?
Thanks.

 

Takaezo , waht's the purpose of 2xk5000m with no SLI? Also, how many PSU's did you use? tnx

 

The dual. K5000m. Is to have one set to working two monitors, and the other running open gL task.....the. nvidia rep told me although i dont have the 8 gb of ram, the processes should run twice as fast.
I am using two 300w powr supplies.
I did not cmpare the chips.
I was just told that the performance from the 2687w was not what it should be and that in testing the i7-3970x was basically kicking its arrse....the is a bench mark posted that shows this....
My opinion the xeon was getting even hotter having those other cores open

 

I'm particularly interested in Xeon E5-2670 vs. i7 3930K in multi-threaded applications. A nice direct comparison can be found here. It appears that the additional Xeon cores and bigger L3 cache are almost irrelevant in single CPU configs. One thing however makes me smile: the E5-2670 with its 115 Watt is actually the better 'mobile' processor.

 

Ok side topic. I am looking at upgrading my memory. Could I go ahead and get 2133 memory. Think from what I read it will work and the mobo will just run it at 1600. My thinking is once a new bios comes out allowing for faster ram I am ready.

BTW I love this machine. Performance brings a smile to my face everytime.

 

anything beyond 3930k is almost guarantee to throttle unless cstate is turned on and turbo boost is turned off. maybe clevo could try using water cooling in this thing rofl. given the simple access to heatsink/cpu/gpus/fans and the thickness of this machine they should be able to pull this off.

BUT with haswell coming theres no point. a 4.0ghz haswell is easily 4.5+ghz sandy with haswell mobile coming before ivy E, intel is retarded.

 

Intel simply has no reason to rush with these chips thanks to a weak AMD. This is why in a market like this you hope both are strong.

 

AMD/Nvidia are good, releases the high ends first most of the time.

btw does powernotebook ship to PO boxes? or anyone ships to PO in states?

 

been trying to figure out what audio drivers and consoles I need to be running to alter and fix sound a bit on the new 9570.

I bought stock audio package from xoticpc, (no usb) and not sure what options i get besides just the realtek hd audio manager to fiddle with output.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ingnuts-sager-np9570-clevo-p570wm-review.html

he mentions being able to use thx, but when installed it does not recognize any compatible cards.

Am i missing something?

 

I plan to install 3 hard drives into a Sager NP9570. I believe the BIOS controls the raid options. Has anyone tried to set the drives up so that drive #1 is stand alone and drives #2 and #3 are configured as Raid 1 (Mirrior)? Sager's website will not allow this configuration but I wonder if the options in the BIOS will allow you to pick any 2 drives of the 3 available to be configured in the Raid 1 setup. Are there any third party Raid drivers that might support this concept or would they conflict with the chipset?

I would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this issue because this will determine what size and type drives I order for this box.

Thanx

 

Ralph,

I cannot say definitely that this is the case because I don't physically own it, but I'm 99.999% sure there would be no problem with the config. Since the P570WM is the successor of the x7200, and those RAID BIOSs are the same just updated. Plus, I am running in that exact configuration, it should be possible. However, note that the P570WMs chipset does not support SATA III (6 Gbps) on all three ports, so you'll want to plan on how to lay out your RAID volume as to what two drives are SATA III and what drive will be SATA II.

Another idea is to ask/purchase thru a reseller, as I'm sure they could confirm this configuration.

 

This should be fine to do, I have my desktop set up that way. If you havent ordered your computer yet just be sure to communicate with your reseller that you'd like the drives set up that way.

 

nvidia is being a joke 780M is practically the same spec as 680MX? thats f***king retarded. Comparison of Nvidia graphics processing units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

look up 680mx and 780m. making us pay the premium on something that was out half a year ago, naww I'm going for AMD lol

 

Quick question regarding the Mythlogic Nyx 5713. Clevo lists the P570WM as having a TPM, but I don't see a TPM listed under the specs on either Sager's or Myth's configuration.

Does the Nyx 5713 have a TPM chip?

Thanks!

 

Sagers wont list is as none of their computers have the TPM chip. I cant comment about Myth's but they'll probably be along shortly to clear up any questions.

 

Is it possible to buy a TPM chip and plug it into the motherboard of a Sager? I really would like to have one. Funny that Sager didn't install one...

 

I just placed an order for NYX 5713 from Mythlogic today and let me say I am super stoked to get It! I have a question regarding the power supply... I am going to be running a 3820 with sli 680m mostly to game and do some programming. Do I really need to purchase the extra power supply for a config such as this one?

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

in short, no overclocking? dont need it.

 

Welcome to the forums!

You really won't need it unless that system is being pushed performance wise. If the CPU and GPU are both going pretty good it'll start causing that power adapter to be working at or near its max which causes it to get really hot and fail faster as well as the battery to discharge despite being plugged in which will make the battery hot and fail faster. I don't think I've seen any power draw readings from a 680m SLI system yet. Maybe somebody with a wattage monitor could chime in on the real world usefulness of the second adapter.

 

I have not seen a modern clevo draw from the battery :S

 

I have ran a wattage meter on the exact setup you are getting. Average is around 280 watts. I have seen peaks up to 295-298. This is during benchmarking, running handbrake and some pc games (not at the same time.). If you run one GPU then you will have no issues. I have the Sager NP9570 and love it with the 3820. Only time I have seen issues where the 3820 falls behind in performance to its six core big brothers is multi threaded applications. With XTU you should be able to oc all cores to 4.0 or one core to 4.3Ghz. I have not seen a need for that though.

 

Can't oc my 3930k at all! What a disappointment. Oh well

 

Do you see much of a difference to your old X7200?

 

Tbh no. I saw no real difference from x58 to x79. Main difference is in gaming only. The 480m in my x7200 is crap. 680m sli is great. I found the 7970m xfire more powerful tho, a card failed on me so they went back

I'll put a 6 core ivy in this and hopefully after an oc, if clevo ever allow it, I'll see a difference

And its not strictly true that I can't oc, I can but there's no real control, to get 4hz this BIOS demands I give the 3930k 1.32+v! Way too much for 4ghz so hello heat and throttle we go! I can't see how to control the CPU voltage

 

Thanks for the answers guys... I have a question for anyone that can recommend one. What is a good laptop cooling pad that will fit the P570 and actually lower temps ? There is no budget I just want the best for my new baby!

 

Some soda bottle caps under the back feet..... thats about as fancy as it needs to be.

 

Seriously?!? The cooling of this shell is that good?