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Gah, this is getting frustrating. I'm rendering video in Adobe Premier Pro and at stock speeds, TDP, everything, it's throttling, running 90C with 3.7GHz.

 

Yup this is why we don't offer the 3970X, as the heatsink is RATED FOR 130W, so why stick a 150W CPU In there, you kinda know the results
(Please note this wasn't meant to be mean to you Wingnut ) just saying 150>130 And why we only offer the 130W or lower CPU's, so they work properly hehe.

Ohh and don't bother with the 2133 test, it won't work out any better for you hehe.

 

Yeah, I just tried 4x4GB 2133 in there since I removed the CPU heatsink to repaste anyhow and sure enough running at only 1600MHz.

That being said, I've seen many machines run CPU's higher than rated TDP's like the W110ER for example. I don't believe it was designed for 45W TDP's really, but people have run 3820QM's and I believe I saw someone running a 3940XM. The worse part about the i7-3970X is the 90C throttle point apparently built into the CPU (according to unclewebb) where other XM's throttle at 105C opening further OC potential.

In any case, to be honest with you, this machine is quite fast, and has potential for anyone needing top end CPU speed. After repasting, removing the bottom cover, and on a cooler, it's keeping under 90C at 100% CPU load for extended periods, although it teeters on 88C so it's borderline. I don't know that an i7-3930k would be able to do much better to be honest. 3.7-3.8GHz is likely the peak. And if you need 6 cores / 12 threads, this thing is a beast.

I know I've been focusing on the OC of the CPU so much, but that's primarily because it's an XM. Everything else about the laptop is stellar to be honest. I don't want people getting the wrong idea with the frustration I've gone through to OC the CPU because everything else is solid and high performance. The 680m's run nice and cool. And it has plenty of storage bays as well.

 

Hi Wingnut, are you running CS6 Premiere Pro? what display card? 680m? Thanks! Wayland

 

Now that all normal every day avenues have been tried...Do you have some time to try going colder?

 

again.. are you able to disable cores in bios? if not do it through window? use 5 instead of 6 man see if it'll run cooler lol personally I dont mind using a cooler but is inconvenient at times given how thick this machine is. if only clevo would make an 18/19 inch of this thing with bigger heatsink and better fans im sure cooling and overclock wouldnt be a problem, make sense why they locked the bios, heat is a major issue in this beast.

if only this can run 4.2ghz on all 12 threads without throttling.. i'd get it hands down lol. waiting game for ivy EP begins, 70 TDP FTW

 

What do you mean by colder? As noted above I did repaste, removed the bottom panel and used a cooler master cooling pad which helped lengthen the time before the CPU throttled, and with wprime 1024M actually did not exceed 88C at 3.7GHz. Anything faster would result in 90C and throttle.

Going from 6 cores at 3.7GHz is not going to reduce heat that significantly going to 5 cores, and still ran at 86C with WPrime with max fans and cooling pad. Disabling cores in BIOS is not possible, and setting 5 cores (10 processors) in MSConfig will not allow me to clock the cores individually with XTU.

 

Ok, all I heard was blah blah blah blah. Sorry.

This is where the fun part kicks in.
Colder means "by any means" at your disposal.
a/c unit
Hotel a/c unit (if your staying in one.)
Outside in the back yard is usually a good free and easy one to accomplish. But You would need to bundle up. Turn on max fans and let her roll.

Why do this you ask?

To see what this machine is "really capable" of doing if temps are taken out of the equation. Although to max it out, You would need something a bit more extreme which of course we are not asking.

Me. I think it will operate faster given you drop temps more. Is this realistic and every day use? NO! That's not why we are doing it. We are purely after breaking the 4 ghz barrier. And the main other reason for you guys..."If it had better cooling will it perform better" This will directly answer that question. Takes allot of the "speculation" out of play.

Again, I can only ask. If I had it, You guys would already know what it could do. , but since I do not...

 

Our Chinese friend 慕容蛛蛛 just put an E5 2687W Octa Core (also 150W) in there:

Spoiler

He didn't make any benches though

 

I think they'll be glad. The other review videos (and others that are sure to come) already go over the other highlights of the machine, keyboard, physical characteristics, etc. And we already know what dual 680Ms can do from what the P370EM has already covered.

So, what does that leave? To me the only unknowns are what you're covering, and others, like myself, are very, very grateful for your time!

 

me and my buddy trying to get one of this machine and see if it's mobo will fit into our own designed chassis.. need to buy a barebone.. and a CPU, and GPUs =) and then figure out how to get screen to work etc etc, but so expensive, intel 8 cores cpu

 

I think the system is at its limit for anything practical. I understand what you're trying to do, but there's examples of what the CHIP can handle if it cooled better, but that's not what we're looking for here. Just what the system can manage. Also, it's not my machine, it's 18F and 60% humidity outside and the risk of condensation is there if you let it chill for a while then run the machine, and I'm not turning the AC on in my house in the middle of winter, lol.

 

You may as well take the chip out and put it in a 2011 desktop by that point, in electronics temperatures are a HUGE part of the equation and even us engineers can't write it off and fudge it

 

I'm sorry..Seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding. All is good though. Thanks for showing us what you could accomplish.

 

Just updated the first post with some BIOS shots of our machines

Also we've had some great results with the 3820, we got that up to 4.2 without really trying, and have seen some decent clock-ups on the K and 3960X processors too. Most of the hex's should be able to be boosted at least a few speed bins especially if you need more clock and less memory as its the memory controller that really heats these things up

 

I smell Prema in that BIOS. Nice to add more features.

By "most of the hex's" aren't there only 3? And two at 130W TDP i7-3930k and i7-3960x? So you're saying both the 3930k should be able to reach 3.6-3.7GHz and 3960x 3.7-3.8GHz?

In any case I'm burnt out. I was home today with two sick kids but used the time to do some benchmarks. About 30 benches each on 3 computers. A little too much for me... bleh. I think I need to read a book or something now.

 

I ordered the NP9370 a couple of weeks back. I was looking at the NP570 but carrying two power bricks around is what turned me off. Does the two PSU's bother you?

 

The 9370 is more of a laptop. The 9570 is more of a portable desktop that will stay in place 95%+ of the time. Without the 3970x CPU the laptop may likely be fine with a single 300W PSU. So far with SLI 680m's in gaming, the power consumption *from the wall* is around 300W, which means use is likely about 250-270W. Not good to run PSU near peak all the time but on occasion ok. It may restrict performance at top end. You could survive with a single PSU for travelling and hook up to two at home.

 

I take no credit for this...maybe something I did was a bit of an inspiration.

 

Most hex's as in a given hex core that you buy, some will respond differently etc, I was saying most every hex you buy should be able to handle that...

I'm pretty sure we've inspired you

 

still waiting to see if there are any benches on this sucker running a Intel Xeon E5-2687W @ 3.10GHz, and if the machine transforms into an autobot with that much cpu running in it.

 

i wanna get one so bad, but cooling is preventing me from doing it. 3930k cant go 4ghz i just cant accept it. ivy EP release in october right? should get into this beast around nov/dec then maybe i'll get it when that happens.

 

I haven't heard of 3930k not going to 4GHz, but the 3970x definitely can't at least not in the system I have. Potential is there, but seems it's more of a chip issue than anything. 90C limit in the CPU.

 

So my wife may (and I mean *may*) let me get a P570WM. The cost will be steep, but I think it's worth it for this machine

My question is, does anyone have any benchmarks for the P570WM with an octo core Xeon processor? I use my laptop for some gaming (not a lot) but a fair amount of programming. In particular I run a lot of multi-threaded applications (e.g. CPLEX) that do heavy computation. So I'd be interested in as many cores as possible. Overclocking, not so much.

Also, if I do get a Xeon processor in the machine, how would that effect my ability to still play games like Crysis 3 and Lord of the Rings Online. I am assuming they would run on a Xeon, no?

Thanks for any info!

 

nemecizer,

Check with Mythlogic's sales folks. They're one of the builders I've seen placing 8-core CPUs in the P570WM. Perhaps they have or can run some benchmarks.

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OT - (and addressed to HTWingnut) - How does 14-0-3 (17 points) sound? GO HAWKS!!

 

Hey,

The octo's that we offer work fine, so long as you are aware of the power envelope for these machines (130W) (the only processors we offer ) and so yea the xeon's do just fine. For gaming, a CPU is a CPU they'll work just fine for that too

thanks

 

I'm curious about that too, i.e. how does a 3930K perform at stock speed vs. the E5-2670, in applications that make use of all available threads at 100% load? The Xeon has 2 more cores and 8MB more cache, but that advantage may be more than nullified due to the 3930K's higher clock speed. The Xeon's strength lies more in ECC/registered memory support and multi CPU configs, which is all irrelevant for the 570WM.

 

Just for the record, I tried running some benches using a single 300W power supply as opposed to two and there were was no degradation of performance. However, the power draw was greater by about 10% at peak, which makes sense considering near the peak power output it will have to draw more power to provide the same amount of power if it's pushing half the amps with two connected. Sheesh, this is so much work, I keep forgetting. Review should be up in a few days if everything goes well. Work will be a crimp in my free time, lol. Plus I've ignored my kids too much this weekend to crank through a lot of this. But will be sure to get it done asap.

 

i for one would not care if i had to carry two PSU. no doubt it'll be a hassle many times but i'd trade it for performance I'm getting BUT no 4+ghz, no go for me.

 

I just want to add that I have bought one of these machines with the 3820 installed. I think I screwed up in the sense that I did not go quad channel memory out of the gate trying to pinch all the unnecessary pennies off in the beginning. Why do I say that? My 3DMark 11 scores stay around the 9400-9700 range with no overclocking. I think if I go with some good ole 1866mhz 16GB of memory, that will take care of the performance issues I am having with benchmarking. Now with that said I did an encode of Skyfall Bluray rip with Handbrake and it took half the time with this system versus my old system with an I7 960. In that regards I am very happy. I game first and do video work second. So this is encouraging to me.

 

Note that
(1) the single PSU doesn't seem to be an issue, I just wouldn't use it all the time with a single just to not stress it near max capacity all the time
(2) 4GHz is an issue with the i7-3970x due to its 90C throttle limit and 150W TDP in one designed for 130W. The i7-3930k or i7-3960x may likely reach that without issue considering their lower TDP and possibly higher throttle temp.

The laptop as it stands currently will not support anything faster than DDR3-1600. Clevo is apparently making BIOS updates to change that. I have 2133MHz RAM in there and it detects it as 1600. Also quad channel makes no difference in performance.

 

3930k maybe, with very low room ambient temp, but doubt it. 3960x not even in the equation lol those cache kills the cooling. not to mention I like to run everything with cstate off for max performance.

RAM thing is retarded where as desktop x79 can read up to 2400mhz lol. that 1600 is a fatal thing for people looking at "quad channel" support. we support quad channel memory, but only at 1600 mhz max. LOL. where 2133mhz is already out =/

 

Quad channel 1600mhz will be fine though, it's still more bandwidth per core for a hex core than dual channel 2133mhz for a quad.

 

yes, but no point having hex if you cant speed them up. 2133mhz is needed for upcoming haswell we could see some good overclocking. the steps for haswell is probably back to like old pentium, less state, higher clock, better power saving and possibly cool better with it's GPU disabled.

 

You mean Ivy Bridge? I don't think Haswell will be socket compatible with 2011.

Also please let me know what apps or conditions quad channel will benefit. So far I've seen no improvement with encoding, rendering, or raw number crunching (i.e. wprime)

 

Remember the E's don't have onboard GPU's on them

Also you wanted to see this thing hit 4Ghz+... Done (3930k)

 

Fantastic!!! 4.2ghz!? Is that on your tweaked BIOS? 72c temps??? What were you running at the time? This has really cheered me up, having the machine and only stock CPU speeds is a no go! Lastly what tim on the CPU, and what vcore is it at? Can't see vcore setting

Man, I tried to download from your site, cause I'll be using your drivers and BIOS dammit, but the page seemed to be down, no drivers or BIOS.

 

Yes thats our BIOS and driver set. We were running a CPU bench (Intel), and then we ran it through 3DMark 11 and it was fine, TIM was IC Diamond, and vCore was default (didn't change that).

And you can't see the driver download for that model because you haven't bought one yet We lock that down to our customers, just takes too much engineering time and R&D to give that away

 

God damn well done mythlogic. So 3930k can do 4.2ghz. ..im satisfied with that. Temps below 80c? Great! Be nice if you YouTube this

And double dayamn to hiding your BIOS and drivers from us lol! No fair!!! Come on guys, change that policy please, this community is about sharing

 

I see that's 4.2GHz for about 60 seconds, how long can it maintain that?

 

Very good question, in my excitement I didn't think of that question. We need more info on this, please

 

Right now we are working on lengthening that, we've been able to sustain it for 30 minutes so far. We haven't done any heatsink mods yet, our goal is to hold it for 45 minutes which should be more than fine =) And obviously it'll boost up and down as needed for games etc.

 

Look forward to your results. What are your highest temps so far? And please, really experiment.

See how far you can go with Max overclock before throttling, and how about a 4ghz oc? You'd probably be able to undervolt slightly with 4ghz to ward off high temps

 

The i7 3960 may reach 4GHz+ because of its lower TDP but not because of higher throttle temp. since it's the same as the i7 3970x, which is 91C Tjunction Max.

 

Right. Don't understand that. Maybe Ivy Bridge hexacore will run cooler and increase that Tj to 95C or better yet 105C.

 

I hope so, 95C is still low, 105C will be perfect. Thanks HTWingNut for the work you are doing. I look forward to reading your review when its ready

 

umm 4.2ghz under 80 C thats awesome. legit enough I wanna buy one damn it. sadface to 1600mhz, do you guys have 11+ Orom to support trim in raid0?

 

So question. I know Myth has their turbo unlocked and a more customized bios (Something to think about here.) Sager does not see an issue with the performance of the notebook at the moment. What are you guys getting on 3Dmark 11 stock with a 3820 with sli 680m. I can not break 10000 with the stock configuration. I am sure I can turn turbo mode on and over clock the gpus to get the performance I want, but should not this computer be capable of more. My best scores as of late are 9656. Any input would be appreciate. Also for the veterans that have prior experience with Sager/Clevo based systems. Does the Bios get better with the life of the system. I know this thing is pretty new and I am sure some things my have to locked down in the beginning due to getting the product to market, but will the bios and various drivers get better?

Also, why do I see Alienware systems with 680m sli setups with stock or overclocked GPUs with less memory gettting higher graphics scores in 3dMark11. I would have thought we would be equal in this department or better due to the extra memory and of course with the same clocks. Sorry for all the questions.

 

thats about how much energy cpu get
p570wm cpu= 6+1 power phases= 0.47uh per phase, 3960x vccImax=150A and p570 can do 180A
so even ln2 cryo cooling......the max oc/stress limit is still the same

 

Or... If price is reasonable, perhaps interested folks should consider a Myth one to begin with.