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Hi guys, if anyone follows my posts, I should have inform you, after flashing bios with 3D model the LCD brightness won't change in windows environment even after changing the windows to the new one. I think the problem lies with the nvidia driver or maybe bios. not sure but its awesome you can even play counter strike in 3D

 

what we need is dmi 3.0 from skylake cpu so we can have a 3.2GB/s SSDs raid 0 for ultra fast load time. anything right now is limited by dmi 2.0 and that 1.6GB/s is really a joke. unless, of course 8 core haswell E can be overclocked to 4.0 inside this machine without overheat.

 

1GB/sec is going to do most people just fine considering what most people are on.

I'd argue that straight line speed is less important than small file speed which has plenty of room to grow.

 

window itself is mostly random reads but a lot of software nowadays and the ways their project/save files are stored, a lot are in sequential. tbh I think this whole debate of SSD HDD on 4k random read/write isn't as important as they are and just overly hyped. SSD is much faster than HDD and feels faster mostly due to latency and almost latency alone. 4k is also another reason but not as big of an impact as latency.

plus, high sequential have lots of advantage. for example even with ramdisk you're able to boot up fast, loading games, backing up an image (dependent on the software though), video/image/audio processing etc. not saying its not overkill but can be easily bottlenecked.

with all the new M.2 SSD and z97 mobo i yawn unless its pci 3.0 directly from cpu otherwise its all crap cause it runs from chipset so dmi 2.0 still the limiting factor of entire system (if everything else is fast)

 

Yes but we already can get 8-12 second boot times and almost immediate level loads lol. Going faster is nice but without particular needs then it's going to be enough, there 2 will be options for those who it will not be.

 

yea but 8-12 sec is without almost any starting application lol.. like me having a 16 gb ramdisk that goes up towards 28-30 sec.. =D

 

But the ram disk is not needed with a drive that fast.

 

ram disk has a lot of advantage though, like auto deleting cache, downloaded update files that are unused, snappier experience, reduce read/writes on disk for faster disk experience, theres load of that where it came from.

just most people think SSD is enough, they wouldnt be bothered with ramdisk. theres a lot of software it feels sluggish without help of ramdisk.

 

SSDs these days manage themselves just fine, there is no reason to worry about them like you used to have to.

 

Hello All,

I need feedback on this machine I build on AVADirect. I work in After Effects/Premiere Pro/Speedgrade (grading on separate monitor) and am looking to start handling 4k files from my GH4. I would also appreciate any feedback you have about AVADirect. I didn't RAID the two 500 GB SSDs because I want to use one for footage and one for projects/finished files when working in Premiere Pro. The 120GB SSD is for OS/Adobe CC.

Thanks for your help!

CLEVO P570WM Core i7 Notebook Barebone, Intel® X79, 17.3" Full HD LED Glossy 90% NTSC Color Gamut, PCIe x16 MXM-III Discrete Graphics
INTEL Core™ i7-4930K Six-Core, 3.4 - 3.9GHz TB, LGA2011, 12MB L3 Cache, DDR3-1866, EM64T EIST HT VT-x XD, 22nm, 130W, Retail w/o Fan
PROLIMATECH PK-3 Thermal Compound, Electrically Non-Conductive, 5g
NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 880M 8GB GDDR5 Mobile Graphics Card for P570WM
KINGSTON 32GB (4 x 8GB) PC3-12800 DDR3L 1600MHz SDRAM SODIMM, CL11, 1.35V, Non-ECC
SAMSUNG 120GB 840 EVO Series SSD, TLC Samsung MEX, 540/410 MB/s, SATA 6 Gb/s, 2.5-Inch 7mm, Retail
SAMSUNG 500GB 840 EVO Series SSD, TLC Samsung MEX, 540/520 MB/s, SATA 6 Gb/s, 2.5-Inch 7mm, Retail
SAMSUNG 500GB 840 EVO Series SSD, TLC Samsung MEX, 540/520 MB/s, SATA 6 Gb/s, 2.5-Inch 7mm, Retail
NONE No Additional SATA Hard Drive (Optical bay hard drive caddy required)
NONE No Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy (Required for additional HDD installation)
RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
OPTICAL DRIVE Slim Black 8x DVD±R/RW Dual Layer Burner, SATA
NETWORK Built-in 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet LAN Card
INTEL Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 and Bluetooh Module, IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n, 867 Mbps, Internal PCIe Half Mini Card
CREATIVE Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro, 24-bit 96KHz, External, USB 2.0
LOGITECH M705 Marathon Mouse, 2.4GHz RF Wireless, USB, Retail
VISIONTEK 900545 USB 3.0 DVI-I Video Adapter, 2048x1152
MICROSOFT Windows 8.1 64-bit Edition, OEM w/ Media
WARRANTY Extended 2 Year Warranty for P570WM Clevo Notebooks

 

not worried about the writes. its just ram is so much faster and ramdisk can remove these unwanted files when set up correctly automatically.

 

Just be aware if you write lots of random data a TLC based drive is not the best kind to go for.

 

I believed that the difference lies only in lifespan. Yes, I would write (and delete) quite a lot, seeing as this would be my portable desktop to post-process while in the field. Would you recommend the MLC SSDs?

Otherwise, is there anything I should be aware of? I was hoping I could OC the CPU. Is this realistic given the heat and existing cooling system?

Thank you for your advice.

 

TLC should be fine as long as you don't torrent and do random writes. iirc video encoding is sequential writes so should be OK. as for OC CPU, I think meaker got machine to 4.3ghz on air on all 12 threads. if it was me though I would disable HT and just oc off 6 cores, can probably get towards 4.5ghz at around same temperature.. maybe.

 

Makes no difference, the P570WM is not like other notebooks in anyway really, that goes for overclocking too.

 

Thank you both for the quick replies. Now I only need to learn how to OC the processor without ruining a desktop crammed in a laptop chassis

 

If you are using it for work is it wise to have an overclocked processor?

 

How do you mean? I wouldn't push it to the point of melting it. If I could run the 12 cores at 4 on air, I'd be a happy man.

 

is this overclocking really works? I mean useful? because the only process that limits by my processor power in my work is compiling this C++ libraries and programs some times compiling QT takes 1 hour. however, when I, OC the system, I couldn't see that much difference.
In other hand I can tell the GPU over clocking hast some effects on my CUDA based codes, sometimes they go up to 25FPS from 18

 

Overclocking introduces the risk of calculation errors and instability unsuitable for work really.

 

it's just me but i can't stand not having a snappy computer anymore.

 

forgot to ask something. is kingston 32gb (4x8) PC3-12800 DDR3L 1600MHz SDRAM SODIMM CL-11 at 1.35V (non-ECC) quad-channel or not?

 

quad channel is based on chipset/cpu and mobo design. not on ram. this laptop is quad channel.

 

reminds me of Plato quotes

 

Exactly, any 4 matched sticks of ddr3 will run in quad channel in this machine.

 

thank you all

 

How is the cooling on the P570WM for the graphics cards vs the P377SM-A? Is there a significant difference?

I'm finding myself wondering if I should have gotten the P570WM instead, especially given that the P570WM apparently has a stronger lid. The P377SM-A doesn't inspire confidence that it would even be okay in a laptop backpack.

 

Cooling is going to be quite a bit more robust in the 9570 as it's designed to cool a desktop CPU as well as the dual GPUs. I'd hop over to the 9570 thread and there are quite a few reports of temps people are seeing.

 

Yeah I slept on it and I decided that this machine would be far too noisy for me and way too bulky. I'm plenty happy with my NP9377-S, I just wish there was something I could do about the lid flex. That's literally the only real qualm I have with this thing is how easily the lid flexes besides the terrible trackpad.

 

Happy to report I'll join the club in 3-4 weeks. Thanks for all the awesome, prompt advice. This is a good community. I wanted to say I'm setting my mikes in the field and processing audio in Audition off the Sony MDR7506. If I can properly adjust gain in the middle of the street with this baby, I shouldn't have any problems with the fans on the Clevo.

CLEVO, P570WM Core i7 Notebook Barebone, Intel® X79, 17.3" Full HD LED Glossy 90% NTSC Color Gamut, PCIe x16 MXM-III Discrete Graphics

INTEL, Core™ i7-4930K Six-Core, 3.4 - 3.9GHz TB, LGA2011, 12MB L3 Cache, DDR3-1866, EM64T EIST HT VT-x XD, 22nm, 130W, Retail w/o Fan

PROLIMATECH, PK-3 Thermal Compound, Electrically Non-Conductive, 5g

NVIDIA, GeForce® GTX 880M 8GB GDDR5 Mobile Graphics Card for P570WM

KINGSTON, 32GB (4 x 8GB) PC3-12800 DDR3L 1600MHz SDRAM SODIMM, CL11, 1.35V, Non-ECC

SAMSUNG, 120GB 840 EVO Series SSD, TLC Samsung MEX, 540/410 MB/s, SATA 6 Gb/s, 2.5-Inch 7mm, Retail

SAMSUNG, 750GB 840 EVO Series SSD, TLC Samsung MEX, 540/520 MB/s, SATA 6 Gb/s, 2.5-Inch 7mm, Retail

SAMSUNG, 750GB 840 EVO Series SSD, TLC Samsung MEX, 540/520 MB/s, SATA 6 Gb/s, 2.5-Inch 7mm, Retail

INTEL, Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 and Bluetooh Module, IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n, 867 Mbps, Internal PCIe Half Mini Card

MICROSOFT, Windows 8.1 64-bit Edition, OEM w/ Media

WARRANTY, Extended 2 Year Warranty for P570WM Clevo

 

hey just wanna ask does xotic or Meaker you guys sell any parts? or do you have to go through clevo just like the rest of us? if later then i'd just grab two barebone and ones for parts instead.

 

No, you can't really do that.

 

You won't find many willing to sell just the barebone. Sager requires all to ship with CPU and GPU but you can remove the HDD and RAM if you wish. So that's a condition all Sager resllers will have. Best bet would be a Clevo builder if that's something you want, but you really don't save much money at all doing so.

 

thats not what i mean. barebone can be found on ebay but other than barebone, no more individual parts. my only question was are we able to purchase individual parts from resellers?

 

Why would a reseller sell you the parts when you didn't buy the machine from them?

If you find a reseller willing to sell you the parts, you will still likely pay more than if you just bought the machine through them and have none of the benefits of buying a machine from them.

 

they don't have to, but if they do i am inclined to pay more. i buy barebone cause its cheaper to do self upgrade, dont see a point getting machine when its almost 4 years old and latest hardware ivyE and GPU are like 2 years old technology/architecture. haswell E isn't looking too good as well 3.0ghz at 140w TDP is a joke compare to Ivy E so i don't plan to spend so much on this laptop.

barebone and parts are good enough for me.

 

You can't even get a P570WM barebones on eBay, they aren't on there, I looked.

Seriously, you're not going to find it cheaper buying barebones and upgrading parts yourself other than the processor, since its a desktop chip. Its not like they have a huge markup on their parts, these are just high end parts. You'll pay out the nose for the video cards either way.

A "barebones" P570WM is still 1200 bucks... Add video cards, you're looking at a grand, processor? Depends on which one you get, 300-1k. It adds up quick. Barebones builds just aren't much of a savings, especially Clevo, which doesn't really charge a huge premium to begin with.

 

The problem with buying barebones is if any of the components goes poof, you're basically SOL, unless it happens within the first 30 or however many days the seller feels like giving the warranty for.

 

need to look harder lol. one from US and then from korea. korea is out of question though too risky and shipping back will cost too much if something does happen.

yes that is the major problem because there are no other parts out there to replace with, which is why i wanted two barebone.. but costly. well all due in time. haswell E come out then i'll see if there are any action from clevo first. if not then i'll go for this one.

 

Actually if you absolutely must insist on a barebone, see if you can find anything on eBay that offers a SquareTrade warranty. Afaik SquareTrade will NOT offer warranties on any old laptops unless it's from eBay (they have an agreement with them or something). That way you can at least have some protection if anything decides to go pew pew pew in the near future.

 

hello Meaker or anyone that can help answer i just recently bought and received this computer with the cpu 4960x and have flashed prema's latest bios on the machine so what i want to do is overclock the cpu to at least to the speeds of 4.3ghz as it has been previously mentioned as a safe overclock. All i have is the computer with out any special cooling mods except for a cooling pad to sit it on. So to the point to get the 4.3 ghz overclock what exactly should i configure in premas bios? i see the 1-6 core ratio limit at stock 40 39 39 38 37 37 from what i understood from reading these forums is to just change these values to all 43 to achieve 4.3ghz and besides that my concern is where in the bios do i change the voltage to sustain the higher clock speed and and also what else do i have to do if anything. I have this top of the line cpu and i want to overclock it at least alil bit if meaker or prema or somebody can tell me how to achieve this by giving me a step by step process in overclocking this in the bios i would very much appreciate it as it would also be good for others who are noobs and dont know.

np9570
i7 4960x
dual 16gb ram
1tb 7200hd
dual nvidia 880m sli

 

4.3ghz with hyper threadding will give you a 90-100C temp easily. i'd go for 4.0 with HT or 4.2 without HT

 

With a repaste and pad I can run 4.3ghz as hard as I like.

 

have u tried liquid ultra? those work pretty good if you can get a good paste job and never touch it again.

 

No need to use it as far as I can tell since I know how to apply paste.

 

Hi new to the forums and pc gaming in general i need a laptop n have been considering this one. Will i be able to configure this laptop for under 2500 and be able to run any game on the highest settings smoothly?

 

I suggest going to the what notebook should I buy section, fill out the template from the sticky and then you can be sure you are asking the right questions.

 

Once an exceptional processor in the P570WM :hi2:

 

Just to point out on the earlier discussions about storage and performance, the X99 is going to have at least 40 pci-E lanes from the CPU, we would likely get dual 8X to the PCI-E slots, a couple of 4x lanes for M.2 Slots would certainly be possible.

 

yes about that, gigabyte's new update on their thin gaming laptop already has two pci-e 512gb storage in raid 0. those are likely dual ssd running at 700-800MB/s each. either it's pcie or m.2 which also runs on pcie lanes anyway.

again, that M.2 looks flashy and all but just another way to drain money. DMI 2.0? not getting it lol, unless clevo get this thing out with support on broadwell, 8 core HT off @ at least 4.0ghz otherwise not buying. skylake, wait forever.