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    *** Official Clevo P570WM | P570WM3 / Sager NP9570 Owners Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by jclausius, Feb 5, 2013.

  1. ole!!!

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    im not so sure about clevo but for alienware machine, radiator and fin was at it's limit. copper pipe in that case was really to transfer heat and not to hold heat. 1 cooling module per cpu/gpu isn't enough cause the fin area contact with air/fan just wasn't big enough. I had add addition pipe to the cpu heatsink without cutting in and result was almost unnoticeable, only few C difference.

    now I connected cpu to gpu heatsink and thats a different story, basically I tried to do something similar to clevo's cpu heatsink and that made a huge difference. having that extra module to increase amount of heat released outward of system really helps, especially at high fan rpm.
     
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    But if everything is running maxed and hot there are no gains to be had from each heatsink. So yes increase fin area or go home basically :p

    The american method is adding that big water cooling system.

    The British method is refining what is there and getting the maximum efficiency out of what is already available, it would be improve the fans/airflow, maybe extend the heatsinks a little, add heatpipes as required and use efficient vrms to help reduce heat output ;)
     
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  3. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    I agree on the US method being a 'big phat (water) gun', but the traditional British way used to be exactly that, an 'increase in surface area'... :D
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    I have a replacement fan that I can sell to you for cheap. :D

    Alternatively you can buy one from RJTech.
     
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    Thanks man, can you post it to Malaysia? :D

    I already check RJTech, they just sell " Video Fan for P570WM", I need CPU fan the big one.

    in fact, those two website I mentioned in the last post, said it is GPU fan but the model number and the Image matches the CPU fan :)
     
  7. ole!!!

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    clevo get your parts out to ebay lol
     
  8. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Luckily for you, the CPU fan that you need to replace in your P570WM is actually the slave GPU fan for the P370EM/P370SM! I checked the service manuals and the part numbers are identical.
     
  9. Meaker@Sager

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    Yep the 370 series knicked the design lol.
     
  10. ole!!!

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    what do u mean?
     
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    They used the same fan in the 370 series to save costs.
     
  12. Bhlargg

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    I've been thinking about buying this laptop around September (assuming Cleve doesn't release a newer and better product by then, of course).
    Just one question, is it worth paying the extra $125 for the Extra AC Adapter and Power Converter Box?
     
  13. Support.3@XOTIC PC

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    Depends on the configuration you go with. If you get dual video cards and the Extreme CPU then its worth it because of the higher power demand. Other wise you can pass.
     
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    I'm planning on getting the GTX 880M in SLI. As for the CPU... I'll be getting either the i7-4820K or the i7-4930K, depending of how I feel at the moment of making the purchase. I won't be getting the Extreme one, as it's above my budget.

    So, I guess I shouldn't get the Extra AC Adapter and Power Converter Box?
     
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    I don't think you'll need it under normal use. Why there are two available is because a few years back someone had 2x GPU's and an Extreme CPU. They really stress tested it like running a benchmark program, Furmark, and Prime95 all at the same time and that tripped the single AC Adapter. The needed to be a fix for it and the only solution was two AC Adapters.
     
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    Ah... I see. Thanks for the answer and the background info. It's much appreciated.

    Anyway, as I said, I'll be making my purchase during September, but I'm somewhat hoping for Clevo to release a newer and better laptop (or a newer version for the P570WM), since for all the praise I've read for this laptop, I've also read plenty of complaints regarding the audio (I haven't read anyone saying it's bad, but not good enough for the price that's being paid for this laptop).

    Either way, I'm looking forward to September.

    Again, thanks for the answers.
     
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    September will be the time, or later when haswell E ships from intel which is 8 core instead of current 6 cores. but 8 cores will probably max at 3.6 ghz before it overheats unless hyper threading is disabled. anyway, im waiting for clevo to release a haswell E or broadwell E version of this.
     
  18. Meaker@Sager

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    With the dual graphics cards (especially with the 880M) the dual power supply is recommended as with 2x100W GPUs and 130W CPU you are using an entire brick just on those at full pelt.

    A game like battlefield 4 would want it for long term use.
     
  19. ole!!!

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    when maxwell come out and fit into this hopefully that'll take away the power consumption and reduce heat. maybe just need 1 adapter at that time lol
     
  20. Meaker@Sager

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    You could do that now if you went for a pair of 770M cards.

    With maxwell there will be 100W cards too, they will just be and extra 60-70% the performance of the current ones. The 100W level is physical engineering balance rather than some sort of weakness in the current designs.

    But if weight and portability are concerns then the P570WM is not really the machine for you.
     
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  21. ole!!!

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    do you often carry it around meaker? or it stays at home on your desk? portability isn't a big issue, 17 inch machine imo is pretty small. it's just that this particular one is much thicker than most. not as thick as xps m2010 though.
     
  22. n=1

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    Meaker lugs it around :D

    Thickness is one thing, weight is another. Don't forget the dual 330W PSUs which will add another 5 pounds.
     
  23. Meaker@Sager

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    I have the monster evereki titan to carry it around, better in a car than on public transport if possible lol.
     
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    crossing my finger for next gen octa core in this machine, definitely getting one with x99, and a bag lol
     
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  25. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    The x99 version comes with a small cart that you can comfortably pull behind your car. :p
     
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    LOL

    but yeah I think a booster seat will do just fine :D
     
  27. ole!!!

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    so much thing i wanted. air conditioned laptop cooling pad, either that or a water cooling heatsink. dual screen blah blah blah and the list goes on. meaker is probably tired of me complaining by now LOL

    clevo let see some improvement pls, better sound system better chassis and mobo, bigger and better screen, weight is not a problem!
     
  28. sa7ina

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    Hello everyone.
    just joined the happy Clevo P570 family!
    bought directly from Sager after i read this very informative long post.
    hope to post some benchmarks in the next few days after ill get it.
    can't wait to test this monster.

    specification:
    Sager NP9570
    Intel® Core™ i7-4960X
    32GB Quad Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz
    2X Nvidia GeForce GTX 880M GPU with 8GB GDDR5
    2X 512GB Samsung 840 Pro in RAID-0
    2X 1TB 7200rpm
    2X AC Adapter & Power Converter Box
    2X NP9570 Smart Li-ION Battery
    Killer™ Wireless-N 1202
    Asus USB External Slim 8X DVD±R/ 6X ±RW/ 6X±DL Super-Multi Drive
    Windows® 8.1 Professional 64-Bit
    TXL617, Targus 17" XL Backpack


    few questions tho:
    1 - what is the longest time on battery will i able to get with this machine(after putting it on the minimal power saver profile & disabling one GPU?)?
    2 - what are you'r recommendations for BIOS flashing?...wait for awhile until i get to know the system or do it right from the beginning?
    3 - what do you think of my specification choosing?

    10X
     
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    Big old PLS screen please, better sound system, those two would make me happiest.
     
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    I just got my NVidia 3D Vision 2 Kit, when I connect it to my notebook the stereo vision panel is not appearing in my NVidia control panel. Do I need to flash my bios with 3D version?

    by the way I flashed my bios with Prema Mod v4 , while the 3D one on the website is Prema Mod v3. is this count as downgrading Bios? isn't it dangerous?
     
  31. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    You need to flash the 3D BIOS.
    The 3D BIOS hasn't been updated by Clevo (yet) so I didn't do the v4 Mod on it either...
     
  32. Solariseir

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    So, if I flash my v4 bios with 3D v3, is it OK? nothing bad would happened?
     
  33. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Nope not in this case. (It's a very minor downgrade)
     
  34. Solariseir

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    I trust you on this :D if something happens I will be very sad :)
     
  35. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    I always remember a quote which was displayed in my families company:

    "Everyone says: That is impossible! Then someone came who didn't know that and simply did it"! :D
     
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    It worked man, Thanks. such a good advice. I always say risks are unavoidable, maybe I don't. not sure who says that :)
     
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    It just happened the LCD brightness is not changing at all, it stock in the highest level which makes me blind. I need a sunglasses to type :)
     
  38. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Of course you need to re-install the NVIDIA driver after cross-flashing the models... ;)

    Reason being that the entire systems hardware ID has now changed, which effect ALL system driver...
     
  39. Solariseir

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    I already did that, and clean install too. I probably should play a little bit with drivers , windows here and there to make it work again. not a big deal.
    thanks for your support, you're the only one who is always here to help. God Bless you :D
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    You must mistake me with Meaker...
     
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    Of course Meaker too :) I tried to make it a little epic with "you're the only one" part. I think I should quit watching japanese animes, they changed my way of talking :D
     
  42. Meaker@Sager

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    Hah we take it in shifts.
     
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    removed

    10char
     
  44. ole!!!

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    so my dual fan heatsink mod start to lose effect maybe i bent the pipe way too sharp of an angle and very likely a leak. right now i have baknor getting few parts to see if they can design it the way i want them to.. lol
     
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    Have you taken a look at the dual fan GPU heatsink on the X8100?
     
  46. ole!!!

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    x8100 is basically same as p570wm or similar design right? if so then yea i already seen it, which lead me to the same idea in m18x r2
     
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    Are those Kingston HyperX CL9 memories worth the money, or am I better off with the regular ones?
     
  48. ole!!!

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    go for corsair veng. 2133 mhz cl 11 4x8gb.
    cl11 can be reduced to cl10 stable. worth it.
     
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    Unless you plan on modding your BIOS, the system can't use faster than 1866MHz RAM.
     
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    If you are comfortable doing it the prema bios for this machine even helps at stock.

    As for the ram go for 1866mhz lower latency if you don't intend to tweak. Quad channel means bandwidth is not a problem, the total latency calc (roughly speed/cas latency) wants to be as high as possible.
     
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