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You could quite easily feed the 870M an 8X connector and give the two M.2 slots full x4 3.0 bandwidth each and not even touch the DMI bus.

If a potential 6-8GB/sec is not enough for you then..... You are just going to have to deal with that.

 

that will be more than enough lol 6-8GB/sec is AWESOME. however donno if clevo would design the mobo that way. it'd suck A LOT if when i get a new lappy thinking its pcie 3.0 x 4 lanes each only to find out it goes through chipset and run through dmi to cpu.

also, that SSD will probably be extremely expensive since no one else will make them because no support atm. only asrock and asus extreme 7 desktop mobo has pcie 3.0x4 and even samsung's new m.2 2.0 x4 lanes runs at 900-1000MB/s. that SSD.. try to run at that speed and controller went over 114C LOL, check out the review on tweaktown.com it was hilarious.

m.2 too many problem right now, wait till end of the year for a refresh on this computer as well as sandforce 3000 series controller, rumor to run at 1800MB/s.

oh right, another is pcie raid right now doesnt go through chipset so no hardware raid, 4k write stuck at 150 ish MB/s

 

It will be a while for the notebook, ssds will have time to bed in.

 

Hello, any chance to get the new intel processors 49xxk?

 

Yes you have been able to order the systems with them for months.

 

Sorry i was referring to 4790k i have made a mistake.

 

Well firstly that's not for the x79 chipset (s2011) and secondly the mobile quads have no heat spreader at all so don't need a devils canyon.

 

There's really no point in having a 4th Gen Haswell desktop quad CPU in a laptop. (I also consider it a waste of money in a desktop, but that's a different discussion.) If you look at the 4770K physics scores in 3DMark11, for example, it's no better than I or Johnksss get from 3920XM and 3940XM physics scores. All of the reviews and even custom builds I am seeing places like CPU magazine lately show equivalent overclocked CPU performance for the 4770K produces benchmarks scores that are more or less zero advantage over the Ivy Bridge XM. If you're going to have a desktop CPU in a laptop (or want something better than a laptop CPU in a desktop) it needs to be 6-core to make it worth messing with. Otherwise, if you're going with a quad just go with a mobile XM CPU and be done with it. Other than a few random benchmarks that make the 4770K look nicer than what it really is, it's not all that amazing for the desktop i7 processor.

 

The laptop and desktop chips are designed Iidentically with mild differences in the firmware. A 4930MX is basically a 4770K without the heat spreader.

 

Probably also binned higher right? Turbo clocks are the same between 4930MX And 4770K, but 4930MX has only about 2/3 the TDP of 4770K.

 

Probably quite similar to be honest. The TDP clamps it to that setting rather than the chip being more efficient (for the most part) interestingly it is a full extreme part in that it has all the features enabled while the k chips (excluding 2011 which are all technically "extreme") have a couple of the advanced virtualisation features disabled.

 

Well, you all are probably right. I was just curious, because i have read it gives a boost with CAD programs, that's it.

 

actually remove the confusion, desktop cpu runs cooler than laptop cpus when clocked higher, and also runs at a much lower voltage. 1.25v for 4.4ghz ontop of that they run a faster GPU, 3940xm can't beat that, dont think any of the laptop extreme chip can beat that. but fosho desktop has better mobo than laptop which we don't have.

sooo anyways, intel stated they are going to take off VRM off of their chip or so did wccftech claimed. now we just have to wait till intel go back on their word lol. wccftech also said broadwell and skylake co exist in 2015, dont think intel is that stupid, i can already smell the delay.

 

Or Intel could pull an nVidia and go directly to Skylake

 

Desktop systems run differently for two reasons, better cooling and a stronger VRM component, putting in a 4770K in a laptop would not change that.

 

well, not at the moment cause vrm is on chip but mobo still a huge factor in high end OC which we'll probably never reach anyway. its a shame that these laptop maker are usually going for general public and don't have true enthusiast in mind, unlike some of the mobo maker out there ASUS ASrock gigabyte etc make good high end mobo.

nowadays people just think a lappy with extreme edition cpu + dual graphic and decent cooling capability is good and little do they know its a joke when it really comes to high end, not even close. also im waiting on that kingston 2400mhz 8gb sodimm stick. hopefully it will oc to 2666.

 

No, PART of the VRM system is on the CPU, unless your socket has no power circuitry around it at all?

 

so theres a vrm on the chip and also mobo? now im confused

 

Yes the motherboard needs to supply a clean input voltage to the CPU, the CPU then steps that down to the required levels for each bus and internal part of the chip rather than the motherboard supplying many voltages to the chip. VRMs just clean and transform the voltage, this is done many times inside a computer.

 

i was fairly certain only cpu and maybe GPU had it. now it make sense seeing all the little chip on mobo its probably those probably power supply only adjust bigger voltage and current split before going into computer. mobo does the rest then.

 

The power brick takes your AC input does its best to flatten it into dc and brings it down to 19v. The motherboard will then take that, condition it some more and turn it into the standard pc rails of 12v, 5v and 3.3v as required. The vrms around the cpu will take a rail and turn it down to the 1.8v input (IIRC) into the cpu again conditioning it into a better DC voltage. The on board vrms on the cpu then change and flatten the voltage for better dc qualities and again down to each rail required.

VRMS on die mean that the voltage can be changed at on core time scales allowing it to match the rapid changes in frequency as it turbos up and down and allow it to enter sleep as quickly as possible saving power.

 

what they need to have is 12v the fans instead of 5v, spin that stuff right UP.

so why is intel rid of VRM for skylake when so focused on power saving. they mentioned removing VRM off the chip on haswell refresh and broadwell but went back on their word and now the refresh and broadwell both will still have VRM on it, however skylake will be removed.

unless they full of bs again to get people to continue buying their cpu only then to put it on right before release then it all make sense. right now the call for broadwell and skylake appearing on the same year sounds load of crap, got a stinky feeling skylake is getting delayed until mid 2016.

btw saw kingston impact sodimm ram? 2133 8gb stick overclockable to 2400 or 2666 cl12

 

It's the total power of the fan that matters, not the voltage.

 

@ meaker, @ unityole, so just reading through and catching up, I wanted to post about my Samsung 840 pros 512GB,
After almost exactly one year of RAID 0 with 3x512 Samsung 840 pros, I lost two of the three drives last month within a 24 hour period. I was OC'ed a little but not even close to the max(4.9GHz). I am not sure what caused the corruption, but the error says disk error: Disk header is corrupted.

I tried to reformat them outside the system, but they only show 1.9GB available, and no other, tried to partition it out....doesn't do anything, called Samsung, they said send it in to replace it, there is no fix they can recommend.

I am really concerned about the third drive.....when is it going to sh*% the bed?

I would not recommend this drive to people, although the speed and stability is good, and it has an excellent warranty.

If this is common problem Samsung is going to be screwed over the next 10 years, warranting drives.......ha ha Samsung you got to replace $1000 in drives.

 

4930MX and 4770K are very similar, but the 4770K seems to consistently perform better. My 3920XM outperforms my 4930MX in almost every measurement. The 4930MX wins by a small margin in a few things that are not particularly exciting... content creation, video editing, etc. Not that I never do those things, but when I do them the 3920XM does a satisfactory job. Plus, I'm not competing for better benchmark numbers on things like video rendering and photo editing, LOL.

The 4770K's 3DMark11 and Vantage scores I see at the top of the food chain on the Futuremark search page are close to identical as what I am seeing with my 3920XM. That's why I mentioned it would serve no major benefit to have a 4770K in a laptop. They are both quad core, close to identical performance, but the Haswell CPU typically runs hotter. The primary compelling factor to the idea of owning a P570WM is the fact that it supports the 4930K and 4960X 6-core processors, and thus, offers higher physics performance potential than any other laptop available. Apart from the unprecedented laptop physics benchmark scores, it would make more sense to get a laptop with mobile processor, switchable graphics, etc.

 

damn that sucks man, you may have a one off situation but having two going off like..every SSD can die, but in most cases causes came from controller, due to long wear, high temp or bad firmware. one thing is for sure what samsung does which I have been telling a lot of people but most don't mind, is that they overclock the flash and controller to get higher benchmark score, in return for a tiny bit faster SSD but loses long term durability. the multiple flash chip isn't likely to die within year or two even doing server work load.

look at samsung evo 840 compare to 840 pro SSD. evo uses the same controller but it's clocked 100mhz faster, and flash chip also clocked faster, gives an idea why they use TLC for big profit and still sell well, they know flash won't wear out first.

another example is their new pcie m.2 SSD which underload go as high as 114C on it's controller and I think thats a complete joke, no way I am putting that thing in my computer. look it up on tweaktown.com for review.


go for sandisk I think they are pretty awesome, their new sandisk extreme II is already faster than most consumer SSD out there, and their upcoming sandisk extreme pro will have 10 years of warranty, and by far the fastest SSD thats going to come out.

 

I wonder if a secure erase through terminal in Linux Wold help the drives? It's how I wipe my drives.

https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase

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@ DR650SE ,........Thanks I might try that.

 

so now that haswell refresh is near and ddr4 sodimms are nowhere sight. is it over for this laptop?

 

it can go with DDR3 sodimm. those ddr4 thing is just how big companies want to make more money. skylake is gonna have both DDR3 and 4 so it makes no sense to not have ddr3 support on haswell.

now, the extreme edition might be different but there are some ddr4 sodimm sample out already, just not known to consumers.

please let us know the results.

 

@ ghehde- This thing is like a race car man, as long as you don't tear up the chassis; transmissions, tires, batteries, and power plants come and go.....especially on race day. Anything can be modified. I am under the impression that successive boards from Intel will come online for this model......... but thing in this model seems about a year or so behind the most recent tech. Seems this is a good fit, as about a year is what it takes for bugs and other proper driver updates to come out. I don't know that much about ddr4 though.

 

I think its too early to worry about DDR4... Last I heard, Intel is adding support for DDR4 with Grantley in 3Q but it will be at least a year for laptops and desktops to see much adoption.

 

This model is up to date, it's mostly the x79 platform itself.

 

board is like almost 4 years old. ivy E isn't that old but technology wise its pretty old too.

 

Compared to other x79 boards the system is fine. X99 will bring a lot of needed updates.

 

at this point it might still go with ddr3 lol, which i don't really mind but i'd prefer 64gb/128GB of ram over 32GB.

only plus would be all sata 6gbps port and possibly compatibility for broadwell E in 2015. faster usb 3.0 and a bit longer battery life (maybe). not sure what else there is besides this, a computer can be good or bad very dependent on the mobo maker and only clevo can make it happen.

oh right, and TSX support but its software dependent, so only few will benefit.

 

M.2 storage, pci-e 3.0 for future dual card comms (no cable), ips display, better native support for usb3, uefi booting (speed the process up).

 

they gonna have to dmi 3.0 that or else run it off CPU directly otherwise we ain't getting past 1.6GB/s.

and i disable uefi boot off the bat lol, SSD writes don't like it. top of that using ramdisk so boot time already long.

 

Like I said they have plenty of pci express lanes spare (20 at least).

You could have an array of 3 - 4 4 lane M.2 slots and still fit 2 2.5" HDDs in.

 

lol then can you ask clevo to make use of those pcie lanes and make two or three m.2 slots for 3x SSD in raid 0? im still unsure if they can do pcie hardware raid yet, so far only seen software ones means we can't boot off of it, defeats half of my usage purpose lol.

early numbers are out for sandisk extreme Pro Early Numbers - SanDisk Extreme Pro and Crucial MX100. now only sammy 850 pro and Hyper S II to be revealed.

 

You don't really need to raid them though at 1.5GB/sec each lol.

 

well if thats the case then I'd separate my ramdisk files onto them so load time would be shortened. load from chipset which is at 1.6GB/s and then two from 1.5GB/s each, total 4.5GB/s lol 1/3 the load time.

 

I finally did it, the internal 3D emitter. it's working thanks to Prema 3Dbios version, and his help.

 

Congrats

 

For all people who don't know what "Prema the bios mod god" is able to do with his work ... a stock bios vs prema mod overview

 

Prema!
10X alot!
you are the king!

flashed your bios today and i am very happy with it...unlocked a lot of useful options.
also got immediate improvements in speed without changing anything else!

some benchmarks:
3DMARK VANTAGE
44378 - Stock
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM
46538 - Prema BIOS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM

3DMARK 2011
14803 - Stock
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM
15111 - Prema BIOS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM

ICE STORM
159100 - Stock
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM
168893 - Prema BIOS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM

CLOUD GATE
28606 - Stock
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM
30232 - Prema BIOS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM

SKY DIVER
28386 - Stock
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM
29317 - Prema BIOS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM

FIRE STRIKE
9665 - Stock
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM
9806 - Prema BIOS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4960X,Notebook P570WM

CATZILLA
22588 - Stock
Catzilla Computer Benchmark - Your Online Result
24218 - Prema BIOS
Catzilla Computer Benchmark - Your Online Result

Unigen Haven 4 - X
1956 - Stock
2011 - Prema BIOS

Unigen Vally - X HD
2892 - Stock
2929 - Prema BIOS


donated in Bitcoin the last 24 hour mining from my X2 - 280X rig.
Transaction ID: 1c3e1715eb07791eefc5ddc3c5b8fbd102dc83c05c3aae15bad696f2c86d6871-000‏
it is not much but that what i have.

also have some DRK & LTC cents i would like to send if you have wallet addresses.

10X again for the hard work.

edit: sent another 24 hour mining in Bitcoin your way dear Prema....just to make me feel better.
Transaction ID: d39a52573a8069f67491843fd9bc621694d84ad5789c257abad3ed0ca1abe93d-000

love you!

 

Yes stepping up to pci-e 2.0 helps a lot.

 

This machine is a pure fun.
fast as a demon!

enjoying every second.

time to make games to the world!

 

Are your 880ms on the stock vbios for now?

 

Yes.
should i flash them?
it will give me better results?