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Maybe, but my next rig will be a desktop. It's been 10+ years since I voluntarily used a desktop (garbage Dell desktop I use at my company doesn't count), and I'm kind of itching to experience the power again.

 

I hear that, bought a P370EM thinking I might need to have it in hand-luggage on a train, now I don't actually need to move it and I do need my video encodes to not take an entire week. Next machine if I have the money will be a dual socket 12 core per chip beast for that reason.

 

Are you sure you actually need $6000+ worth of computation power? Server boards are also a different kind of "beast" altogether...

 

if that board can overcome the DMI 2.0 issue then I'll get a dual to quad socket board. four 8 cores CPU that runs at 4.0ghz each.. with maximum 256gb memory . it'll only cost me... 15k

 

Does anybody here know of or have a Pelican case for this bast of a notebook? I have an X7200, and would like to be able to check the notebook without worrying about the screen getting crushed. Which happened to me about a year ago. I just traveled back from the other side of the world, and caring a backpack with an X7200, and another bag with an iPod, tablet and other items becomes cumbersome. Of I had a Pelican case I'd be able to check the laptop mostly worry free. So let me know if you know of anything. Thanks guys!

Oh and while I have an X7200, I'm currently deciding between getting a next generation X7200, be it the P570WM, or the next generation. Or getting a desktop. Not sure what to do really. Desktop or beast clevo. but if I travel with a laptop this big, a Pelican case is a must lol

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alienware bag is good imo

 

I actually have the Alienware bag, and that's what my laptop was in when the screen was cracked. :/

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I'm going to buy an everki titan bag. It's very good it seems..
Wednesday my xmg u702 (clevo p570wm) arrives
Got 2x 880m wanted 780m but they just updated it
First thing I'm going to do is flash the prema bios to it.
Or is The stock bios newer with the 880m?

 

I use a titan with mine and it works well.

 

Hello All,

I haven't posted on here in a while although I have been following it for sometime. I would like to first thank Prema for the excellent New Bios that is working great on my P570wm. I have been using it for about 30 days with no problems and appreciate the flexibility it provides.

I would like to ask Meaker or maybe another builder if they have tried the new Vengeance 2133Mhz (2x8GB )sticks of 204pin sodimm on the

X79 Mother Boards? I read one post about the ripjaws, but didnt quite understand if the ripjaws was the ram they got up an running with

tweaks or if it was the lower speed they had referenced. I am getting ready to upgrade the ram in my system and would appreciate someone

who has tried these in the P570wm to chime in.

Thanks in advance

 

Don't bother since quad channel has enough bandwidth already, put the money into something else unless you are going for benchmark records.

 

Meaker, appreciate your reply,

However, there is not much else I can upgrade on this system short of dropping a couple grand on two 880m and the i7-4960x, currently

running 2 x k5000m's, with i7- 3970x, full masters suites of Autodesk and Adobe plus solid works and other super-high demand rendering

software, during renders the system gets maxed out and can take from 4 to 24 hours, 3d model file sizes range from 3 to 30 gigs, I feel that I

could improve the times and performance if I had more bandwidth; I have a chance tomorrow to pick some Vengeance 2133Mhz Sticks up, If

you could tell me whether they will work or not that would be great...at least I could try them out and see what kind of improvements it may provide.

Thanks

 

They should work since I run my Samsung yk-0 at 2133mhz cl10. However the 4xxx series does have a better IMC so i am not certain.

Have you considered a xeon chip if you need the threads?

 

Regarding the Xeon chip, it was my original intention to have one, but since I ordered my system pretty much at zero release day, they were not able to tune the performance of the 150watt Xeons to outperform the 3970x's, and the problems probably could have been solve(according to the technician) however I needed it for school right away, thus the 3970x. was the next best choice.......now I wish I would have been able to wait for it. Regardless, I am pretty happy with the 3970x, In a couple of days I will be testing a new idea for cooling that I had during one of my engineering lectures. I will try and post some picks if it works.

I don't have the cash at the moment to outright change the CPU or the GPU cards( note to other Auto desk users: Even though the Quadro Kxxxxm series is said to be certified for Auto desk products, they are not certified for ALL Autodesk product line ups, and reports are that the GTX's are as good if not in some cases better.) Thus I do intend to try a couple 880m's in SLI as soon as I have the funds. I doubt that I will go with another kxxxxm series again unless I see some major improvements on the support and certifications of the Auto Desk line up from NVIDIA.

Looks like I might wait a few days and see if this cooling idea works out for pushing the 3970x to its limits, if not I think your probably right about saving for a Xeon or 4960x CPU instead of grabbing that RAM right away. I am currently stable at 3.9 Ghz(CPU) and 1866Mhz(RAM) with the Prema Bios. I am Running 3 x 512GB Samsung 840 pro's in RAID 0 with reads at 840 Mb/s, and writes about 800 Mb/s. (previously had only two in the RAID 0 array and that was running about 900-950 Mb/s, and the single could throw down 1000+ Mb/s Read/Writes.) I Recently did a complete reinstall of everything after the Bios update. Although the performance R/W decreased I am still pretty impressed considering the one socket is SATAII 3/Gb/s. I mIght end up going back to the original config.

Any one with an opinion on that I would be interested to here what they have to say.

Thanks for the input MEAKER and advice.

 

Correction: The 840 pro on socket 3Gb/s SATAII only gets 600 reads and about 440 writes, The single on the SATAIII will break 1000 Mb/s

 

SATA ii max speeds are 300/300 for a single drive. SATA iii is 600/600.

You can take around 30 off each for xfer overheads too.

It does seem odd to go for the 2133mhz ram when something like my 4930k at 4.3ghz is a good 20% faster than yours.

 

I have been using crystal disk mark for those numbers, I understood that the throughput was limited, by the SATA port type, but I have never gotten under a 550 score on CDM on any of the drives raided or single, is there another disk bench that is preferred? Next week when I reconfigure to the 2 Raid 0, + 1 OS on SATA II, I will post the marks.
Taka

 

840 pro is a terrible SSD, well not terrible but not exactly great either. also, 2133mhz 2x8gb stick corsair can do 2133mhz at cl10. if you look at mr fox he has done just that i think.

 

It's only terrible if you "update the firmware", (straight out of Samsung reps mouth), I can get upwards of 900-950 Mb/s out of the two of them in the array RAID 0 on the SATAIII ports, is that terrible? From all the benchmarks I have seen that is pretty good, also the stability seems superior during loads to other drives from what I have seen in reviews and comparisons. Some people have a problem because the Magician software doesn't support RAID at all, but I have no complaints about them thus far, running them 20+ hours a day for 15 months now. Thanks for the info I will check out Mr. Fox's post tomorrow. Appreciate you pointing me in the right direction to review this very much.

 

Those Corsair sticks have some variability. Tested 4 kits, 2 could only run rated specs and no more, 1 could do 11-10-10-29. Finally, while the last kit didn't like being tightened at 2133, it was able to do 2400 @ 12-12-12-28 with no issues, something none of the other 3 kits could pull off even with loose timings. Needless to say I kept the 1 and returned the other 3.

Of course n=4 isn't exactly a meaningful sample size, and I suspect the variance is probably within normal ranges. Oh and I should really mention I have the P370SM so ram is limited to 1.35v only.

 

12-12-12-28 at 2400? what are the other values like WD RAS and bunch other i'd like to try when i get mine

@Takazeo, 840 pro is alright, the benchmark you see are just to trick people lol, most companies do that at some point but samsung is well known for it. check out the latest review that single sandisk extreme II can out perform a raided0 samsung 840 pro. SanDisk Extreme II 240GB 6-Drive SSD RAID Report - Secondary Volume Benchmarks - PCMark 8 Extended

 

I tightened tRC to 40 and left the other values at default (CR = 1T because there's no BIOS option to change this), but that's mainly because I'm useless when it comes to tertiary timings, and supposedly they don't really matter anyway.

Also, 2400 is really only good for the "feel good" factor and seeing crazy numbers. Supposedly it decreases encoding time but I don't do that kinda stuff so it doesn't make an iota of difference to me in real-life usage. I do it mainly because I can, and it's fun to see just how far I can push a laptop system. For daily use I run it at the default rating (2133 @ CL11).

 

I don't understand the decoding part either. somehow CL10 latency make huge difference than CL12 but CL12 is at 2400mhz. if I remember correctly dual channel memory changing CL only increase ram speed by roughly around 100mhz which I tested with HD Tune with ramdisk.

are you able to screenshot? or list your custom values for your ram in BIOS/XTU?

 

There are only edge cases where you would notice the change in benchmarks let alone the feel of it.

 

well i mentioned before I got 4.6~4.7ghz CPU I need all the memory speed I can get my ram is holding my CPU back I am fairly sure of it. I even up my BCLK to increase ram mhz but thats still not enough apparently my storage mod on pcie doesnt like the BCLK change. without the mod I can go 107 BCLK with the mod only 102.5.

also I got a firefox that runs off now 600 tabs and counting.. and it uses ram as cache I really need that memory speed lol, even with cpu at 4.7ghz I can feel quite a bit stutters cause of so many tabs especially if they have flash or scripts running, which most do. (if memory is at 1333 it'll lag eve more crazy).

just sayin, I kinda want it, real bad!

edit: I'd be satisfied at dual channel 2200-2400, but if I can have quad channel at 2133 I'd kill to have it, with x99 of course and octa core.


@meaker, does quad channel is basically like two dual channels? with four memory channel in raid 0 so all the files spread out in the 4 channels and read each bit by bit?

 

XTU screenshot for 2400 CL12. Like I said, most values were left at default, so there might be some room for further tweaking...



EDIT: CPU-Z screenshot of ram running at 2400:

 

AnandTech | Memory Performance: 16GB DDR3-1333 to DDR3-2400 on Ivy Bridge IGP with G.Skill

memory is simply not holding you back.

Yes quad channel is 4x 64 bit memory buses where dual is 2x 64 bit.

 

Where is the validation for this 2400 ram. I was trying to find it. Are you able to run this meaker?

 

The 570wm "only" has a max mem multiplier of up to 2133mhz.

 

Ah, ok. Thought I missed something. Thanks.

 

i thought you were able to run 2400 quad channel before?

 

Nope, 2133mhz cl10 cr1 so i am not feeling hard done by.

Still get far more bandwidth that 3000mhz dual channel setups.

 

What on earth are you doing that you need 600 open Firefox tabs? That's craziness. No way could keep track of all that. I just bookmark lot of stuff.

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links, google searches, game forums, review forums, electronics products and bunch of other stuff including facebook, text based game and load more. i keep them open because I dont have time to go through them to bookmark lol. when I get a day off I'll go through them all at once.

 

All those tabs eating up so many resources though, there must be a plug in to quickly save links to go to in the future which wont clog up the important favourites.

 

Still, 600 tabs? How do you even manage? Even when I'm on multiple forums while buying stuff on Amazon and eBay and having a Wikifest all at once I never go past 20 tabs.

 

I get to about 20 as a max too lol, but everyone has their own way of doing things I suppose.

 

He is keeping the tabs open in a ram drive or caching drive.

 

firefox has a cache to memory enable option in the about:config settings which is awesome. using ram to cache files compared to firefox and IE11 it is so much faster, feel so snappy I can't go back to even raid0 SSDs. for chrome I'd have to move or m/j link entire chrome folder into ram disk otherwise don't think they have an option to cache in ram.

only cons to ffox cache in ram is it use A LOT of ram, with my tabs and once loaded its roughly 4-5gb used.. and if it goes over config settings max it'll just restart ffox itself.

 

@Unityole- your reference to the benchmarks defeating the 840 pro’s was not really a comparable as I am using the 3x512GB drives in RAID 0, in the comparison your link shows, all the drives are 256GB which are undoubtedly faster. Thanks for the link though.

On another note,
I just finished a MOD today that has been quite interesting to say the least.

I successfully installed a corsair H100i hydro cooler on my P570WM!!

I am currently stable at 4.7GHZ on all cores, tested through Intel XTU, Cinebench, 3DMark11, 3D MarkVantage, PCMarkVantage, Using the fans set to quiet I can barely hear them and the delta between the max fan speed and silent is only 3 degrees C! , The Core never gets above 68C, I imagine that I could get more with some practice. I am running the 1600MHz RAM (4x8)=32GB Samsung 1.35v at 2133MHz Cl 11 11 11. During Game play the CPU stays extremely steadies at 4.7GHz and bounces every so often to 4.8GHz, there is absolutely no throttling occurring.

At idle the core stays steady at 21.4C with both K5000m's at 32C

I will attach a few screen shots and some of the build pictures. The weight may not have increased that much as the entire heat-sink and one fan are now removed.( and the corsair unit is pretty light weight) I will try and make a detailed list of the techniques I used and tools, but It will be another day or so before I get the wiring exactly as I want it.
Enjoy the first set of pictures and screen shots!!

TaKaEzo-----The Beast is UNLEASHED!!

 

Here is the most recent XTU at 4.8GHz stable with 1442 XTU score






Thanks to those who gave me some rep points!!

 

I may have to do this on my X7200!!
That's bad@$$!

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Thanks DR650SE,
I am pretty proud that I finally figured out how to make it work. I have been working on it for about a week straight, had to do a load of searching online to find all the specs and pictures and options because there are no available internal ports and headers on my P570wm,

So I had to go external with everything. I am still working on all the wiring to try and make it as clean as possible. I have been up OCing it all night, hit 80C one time trying for 4.9GHz, its kind of scary so I have it on the cooling mat as well. I was able to achieve the best XTU yet early this moring I got it stable at 4.8Ghz, XTU score or 1449!.

I have also been trying several thermal compounds as I have taken it apart to test it about 10 times now. So far the Antec formula 7 is working real well. I have Coolmaster Thermal fusion 400 to try now, and then I ordered some JunPus 9000 I think it is called

 

Holy crap that is one sweet mod! Meaker would be proud

In terms of thermal paste, nothing on the market comes close to Liquid Ultra. Once you've experienced what Liquid Ultra can do you'll never want to go back.

Also, make sure you submit that XTU score to HWBot, 1449 makes top 10 in 3970X!

 

YES IT IS!!!
I indeed did submit to XTU HWBOT. They ranked me at like 115 in one field and like number 9 in another, maybe this will be the norm for laptops someday, I have been having a blast since I got it working. I think the next bottle neck is actually power. Here is the 1449 XTU pic





EDIT Stable 4.9GHz, XTU 1465

 

I'm surprised it did not click in my head it uses a standard mounting lol. Nice, though I would be concerned for the VRMs.

 

Actually I had to modify the mounting its not the same as the desktop X79 boards and the mounting brackets that came with the cooler have to be bent in a particular manner in order to have in functional.

procedure to follow with screen shots.

 

Always good to point stuff like that out so people don't run out and get stuck lol.

Creative mod, now to find GPU blocks that will fit the MXM cards lol.

 

Super Takaezo

 

To create your mobile water cooled P570wm laptop you do so at your own risk,

I have successfully attached a corsair H100i hydro cooler to the CPU removing the heat-sink and one fan. At any time the system could fail and destroy my or your hardware resulting in a significant monetary loss. DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK!!

1.
Download and install Prema's newest BiOS, and donate on that site if you are able.

Tools required:
Computer repair tool kit; including fine tweezers, grounding wrist band, various size/
type bits and driver,




Large pair or bullnose lineman's pliers,
Wire srtippers
Fingernail clippers
Small metal hacksaw
*recommended: Leatherman Supertool
( !!IMPORTANT: before installing hardware download and install the Corsair Link software from corsair, and find then download the newest
beta firmware and maintain on an external USB tumb drive.)

Equipment and Materials:
Corsair H100i Hydro cooler ($115)




Clevo P570WM Laptop($$$$$)
USB Hardware Adapter for IDE and SATA Harddrives ($15), ( inland)
Thermaltake Massive 14^2 notebook cooler, ($25)
Thermal paste---your preference, ($15)...(I am using Antec 7 in this build)
Packet of Q-Tips ($2)
Bottle of rubbing alcohol($2)
Electrical tape ($2)
USB cable. ($7)----(I used the USB male A head of an old phone charger) 1/8 " heat shrink tubing ($2)