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So I'm not the only one who has his GPUs go up and throttle it seems. The only way I can keep temps down is go run a game with vsync @ 60 otherwise I hit 87 and then throttle to around 1050MHz after 20 minutes or so. Max fans bring the temp to 78C for me. Really dumb of Clevo to break the fan table like that. It used to be that it would kick the fans up at 87C when I had 880Ms.

On the topic of the 3D not working, even with an external emitter it will never work with the machine. The only way to get 3D is to attach the HDMI to an HDTV and set it up that way. Nvidia got greedy with mobile 3D and wanted a system BIOS license for every machine that was to use 3D and it needed a built in emitter. Clevo never released a 3D P377, just the P370SM3.

The 353.06 drivers seem okay for me right now but the W10 situation is a mess, they broke SLI. Massive stuttering on just about every game with it enabled. They really need to fix these driver bugs... Although they still aren't as bad as AMD.

 

Yeah, with M$ giving win 10 away for free it's going to hit-the-fan in a big way unless NV can get their act together. Fact is that if NV only used published hooks and API calls there would not be a problem (an MS response to claims that they changed the HAL significantly between beta and RTM of win Vista). A rock solid driver that would be as slow as treacle!

The .06 is a little more stable then the three previous. On those more and more of my game benchmarks crashed with an OC. On this one only two of eight benches failed. Not that I need any OC but it's just playing around with it.

I was sure 3D was some sort of licensing issue, nice to see you confirm it . I have used the HDMI to 3D HDTV method but with a 24hz refresh at 1080 it's way too laggy, as well as poor quality compared to true NV 3D - which I love . I thought at first I was stuck with this refresh as it's the 3D TV standard but the built-in 3D driver in Crysis 3 runs at 50hz and is pretty good as long as you don't spend too long on it.

I somehow don't think I'll be rushing to win 10 despite the free offer...

 

MickyD1234, can you post a pic of your lappy on the Targus cooling pad please? What one is it as there are a few available on Amazonland

For some reason, one of my GPUs is now reaching toward 89 after 20 mins of BF4. Not sure it did that last week.

I am super OCD with measuring temps via OSD and always watch my clocks, temps, usage via Rivatuner

 

Sure. Here is the model and a side pic I already had. It's the 17" model and is about 1/2" narrower but perfect depth.



Just realized that's the AW but the X8 is exactly the same size

 

I did repaste mine with Gelid when I replaced the CPU and saw around 5c improvement.

 

No need to be too paranoid lol, driver improvements can make the GPUs hotter or higher room temperatures if it's getting hotter where you are.

 

I bought the Coolermaster U3 in the end after some awesome reviews. Love it. With careful placement of the three fans, my temps have dropped significantly - well, by 10 deg C on CPU and GPU. At 4.0Ghz I was hitting 90 after an hour of BF4. Now I hit 81 highest in roughly the same conditions

The bottom of the X8 also has three intakes, so nice for the U3

Boom!!

 

Can you take a picture of that setup? I want to see how wide it is and if it will fit on my TV tray. That's a nice temp drop, maybe it can drop my GPUs from the 80s...

 

Sure. I am on the road currently but will be back late Friday. I'll take some snaps.

I had the Coolermaster Storm SF-19, which is quite expensive, but the two fan config doesn't quite work with the X8. I even swapped the fans to Scythe 1900rpm 150CFM fans, but alas, it wouldn't quite work. The U3 seems to really take hold when you need the internal laptop fans at a high speed also. Positioning them correctly - as mentioned - and boom!

 

Just finished reading this owner's lounge, nice way to pass the time while I wait for my own to show up. Expected delivery is tomorrow, so getting pretty excited here, and hopefully will be able to officially join you tomorrow.

Thanks for all the help ethrem d2 items and others in helping me come to this decision.

I had that cooler master u3 for my Alienware m17xr4 and it worked pretty well. Also light and easy to carry.

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Well, you have to tell us the specs of what you ordered, at least

 

If it's a p377sm-a it doesn't matter what the specs are it's a beast and u will love it!! Please comeback once u receive it and tell us how u like it I know I am so happy with my investment wouldn't change one thing about it except maybe g-sync but I have 2x980m's so I don't really need it and I am sure there will be some type of software eventually to get gsync on here anyways lol


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Good to hear - 'Nice choice sir, suits you sir' .

Who did you go with? I'll save the welcome for your first 'official' post , nah, welcome!

Edit: I'm waiting for a U3 today so I'll post a comparison with my Targus Lap-pad.

The only complaint I can make is the GPU fan tables. I find I need to watch temps if I'm in an extended gaming session or the boost clock drops to stock (at around 86c). Easy fix since we have a hot-key to trigger max fans

 

Member of the owners club status is official!

Kind of an amazing experience to be honest... Ordered from Eurocom on Monday. Bank flagged the transaction as fraudulent so payment was delayed a day. They shipped on Wednesday, and with free shipping still showed up today. Will do a review in the re-seller thread but so much better than expected on that.

Screen is the 120 hz matte, which was my main thing with this laptop. I really like the screen so far. This laptop is HUGE, I forgot how big my Alienware was, and I love it. Still fits in my Astro backpack perfectly, so will have the headphones, DAC, mouse, and mech keyboard (poker II once I get it repaired) in a backpack for traveling. Brick is comically large, happy camper here.

16 gigs ram, msata boot, bluray drive, of course the 980 sli... Have some extra drives (ssd) that I will add, and might pick up another msata in the future when storage fills up.

Only regret is that I was thinking that I was going to want the 4940mx proc, but since I didn't have the budget for that now ( likely in August) I just went with the 4710 - but had I read all the thread I would have just ponied up for the 4910 now... Still should be easy to swap out for something faster if I get the itch in a month or so.

Also, trackpad isn't that bad! I mean, its tolerable.

 

And WELCOME!

Funny, the itch got me about a month in . Found a great reseller in China on ebay. Way cheaper AND with some creative paperwork (he is open about this on his ebay page) I only paid a tiny percentage of the tax/import duties. Free shipping and with me in 3 days, faster than the paste ordered from my own locale! Nice when these internet seller thingies work well .

Even nicer when you're in the top 2% on 3D mark....Have fun!

 

Which CPU is that MickyD? Mind sharing your supplier?

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What did the thread say about the 4710? I have the 4810 and have never come close to needing anything better than it lol...actually I have head that the 4940mx isn't worth it...


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Well, if you guys got the 120Hz screen then you're gonna want to aim for 120fps if you can, so you need a fast CPU to hit those heights - that's where a 4940MX could make the difference because games start to become CPU limited around the 100fps mark (dependent on the game). Hookerlips mentioned the 4910 would be just as good as the 4940MX, I guess it comes down to whether the cooling system of your laptops can exploit the more open overclocking potential of the 4940MX - if it can't do so then you may as well not buy that 4940MX.

 

Very true. I found that 4.2mhz was about as far as I could go with the temps for daily use. Probably time for some liquid metal but it flys as-is so no need to push it any further . I found GTA V performed way better (but game updates could also be a factor?). I have to v-sync now as I can see frames being dropped when it hits around 130+FPS (in-town)! All fully maxed. Sweet .

*removed* .The 4940MX (QS). I can't say that 3D Mark had any stupendous improvements but I saved a bunch over my budget for the X8 so I just wanted to max the machine out .

 

Sorry MickyD1234... Dude has no items for sale. Link removed.

 

You should see his email address asking for requests and feedback. Give it a go, always nice to have communication before spending a decent amount of cash anyway. If you don't see the email I'll PM it to anyone that wants it...

 

Here you go...

QS: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Core-i7-494...ear-OEM-/111674843725?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

OEM: http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Core-i7...olesale-/121674107818?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

 

How difficult is a cpu replacement on the P37x? I've built a number of desktop and tower PCs, but only ever added memory on a laptop.

 

Easy enough IMO. You only need to remove the lower panel and you can access/remove the fan and heatsink. You do need a torx screwdriver to release the CPU clamp. I can't say for sure the size though since I purchased a cheap kit.

 

Oh, and this is an uninformed question, but what's the difference between QS and OEM?

 

I was waiting for that one haha,

OEM is boxed retail unit from the main production run. QS Quality Sample, and ES - Engineering Sample come from different (earlier I believe) production runs and are surplus. You just get the chip, no box or docs. Sometimes there are minor microcode change From ES to QS but QS is widely regarded at the final version.

I suggest you research it before deciding but the QS looked fine to me and quite a bit cheaper. All I can say is that mine works great and can OC way above the thermal capabilities of my machine.

 

Greetings to P37XSM Users
I have several questions that have been costing me hours and hours of research.

Clevo P375SM-A is the current model I am looking at with GTX 970M SLI, i7-4810MQ Processor with 16GB RAM.

I looked at many other laptops that looked more appealing but didn't reach the level of performance and affordable price this did. I'm not that kind of guy who throws away outdated laptops away like trash. So the question is, will the 970M SLI last me a good 3/4 years with minimum high settings for gaming?
Games I wish to play on this, is like:
- Payday 2 (which is not that demanding)
- DayZ Standalone (which requires allot of consumption)
- BF4
- Minecraft (with ultra shader packs)
- and lost more, I'm sure you get the point.
The reason why this system appeals to me is due to the fact that I can upgrade to 980M SLI and maybe more CPU if it requires more. I am also planning on using this for University so it will have some work related tasks. As of using at home, I plan on connecting to dual monitor alongside using the the laptop screen as the primary screen (3 Screens in total, just in case i didn't phrase that sentence properly), the monitors are nothing too fancy just a regular VGA/DVI 22 inch monitor.

Another laptop which is itching my nose is the Clevo P750ZM, which does look like a solid piece of machine.

So my friends, is this laptop worth the purchase for a desktop replacement for home use and genuine portable study laptop for uni (minus the battery power, I'm sure there is some plugs available around the Uni to charge my baby XD )

 

Spent all weekend gaming on the new machine, pretty good times. Pretty good frame rates despite the 4710, and mostly the cards maxed around 70s and the cpu in the 80s. Fan is pretty much as expected. Pretty pleased here, other than the red tail lights... what were they thinking on that one? Think I will try the blackout paint as someone else did. Think that looked really good.

The other big difference was the size of the screen, coming from years of 27" screens, its small, but sitting closer to the laptop seems to be just fine for sniping. Think that I might pick up one of the razer orbweavers because I do miss the feel of the mechanical keys.

Muhammad, if you are getting 970s I wouldn't upgrade to the 980s if I was you. Just wait til the next generation, and upgrade then. Otherwise probably very expensive. I really like this laptop though, and its the first time I can remember that the portable experience is in my opinion tolerable, ie don't constantly feel that I would much much rather be on the desktop.

MickyD thanks for the info, will look into it when I have the cash and time hopefully this summer.



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With regards to laptop vs desktop, you can do what I do, and have done with my last three laptops, after having gotten rid of my desktop, because I hated having to worry about file sync, etc...

I have my laptop on a cooling pad, connected to a USB hub and an external monitor, for home use. The usb hub has all the other usb connections (mouse, keyboard, USB headphones, etc...). In my laptop bag, I have an extra power supply, and another mouse, so when I travel, which is often, I unplug my laptop from the: power supply, USB hub, monitor, and ethernet cord. I don't worry about taking the power supply or mouse with me, as I have the extras in the laptop bag.

All my files stay the same, and when I travel, I have the nice 17" laptop to game with; when I am home, I have dual 980s in SLI pushing a 28" 1920x1200 monitor, and a nice mechanical keyboard.

Dual 980s is about as powerful as 1.5 desktop 980s, and there is nothing that they can't handle, game-wise, at least for now.

So I get the benefits of a powerful home system, and a powerful travel system, all in one.

 

Thanks for the reply guys, and as Hookerlips recommended not upgrading to the 980s, does it mean that this model is capable of upgrading to the next gen GPUs?

 

It might be upgradeable to the next generation of GPUs, there's no sure way of knowing for sure. For example, old Alienwares have historically been upgradaeble with new gen cards with some workarounds, but sometimes new generation cards aren't compatible (like the new Maxwell cards like 980M aren't comptible with my Alienware laptop). It will be upgradeable for sure though if they then sell your model of laptop with the next generation of cards further down the line.

 

Hi Muhammad,

Looking at your questions and requirements I'd say that going Sli is way better way to hopefully extend the gaming life of a new purchase. Even if cash means you start with a single 980m you may find the next generation makes serious investment worthy or just add another GPU, which should be cheaper by then?

There is no information I have found about what next for MMX, it might even die with this generation as soldered GPU's are what the industry is currently pushing - I take it you've looked at Alienware's pathetic offerings these days?

It's a common question about 'how long will it game well for?' and is really just a best guess on past experiences. This machine is clearly in the frame for this. My 680m Alienware R4 still performs great (with a serious overclock and voltage boost!) three years down the road. Only the very latest titles require me to compromise some of the settings, usually I can't even see the difference anyway!

It's a perfect DTR IMO and finally I don't hanker after my multi-gpu, water cooled rig for anything.

As for portability I really can't comment. It is heavy and along with a 'real' brick (330w PSU's 'aint small) and I'd certainly want a backpack, but you have a few years on me, haha.

Good luck with your decision making, HTH.

Edit: Forgot to add, the 120hz display really makes a difference especially when your games are triple digit FPS'ing. It just looks smother and crisper to me, worth the extra IMO.

 

Images of the U3 - forgive the dust and spaghetti cabling

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Sweet, mine arrived this morning and i just finished setting it up. I do like the cable management on it (that you've still to get to ) as I can now hook the PSU splitter and take the stress off the socket - that seems to be to be a warranty claim in the waiting for me. Yours looks far less stressed than mine due to where the brick has to be I guess? Mine is on bed table so has a bigger drop...

GPU Temps under full load are stabilizing around 2c lower than my Targus Lap pad and I like being able to run them totally silent when not gaming.

Only downside I see is the USB through connector. While useful it does project quite a way so it might take a knock if I'm not careful moving it .

 

I actually like the USB connection because it shuts itself off when I power down my machine. The SF19 remained on and I often forgot it

I always like the cable management. I have a PSU 2x300 splitter (the same as you Mickey) as yes, I was worried about the force on the connection

I have config'd my fans but I'd like to see your config. Maybe mine isn't ideal

 

I wish it would power down when I put it to sleep but hey, not an issue when it's on slow speed.

I move the whole table during the day a few times and when the power disco's occasionally you know your building up a problem. I saw that Dell have finally addressed this (costly) problem in their latest eco-machines. The PSU connector is a separate unit cabled to the MB. Genius! How many years have they been replacing MB's for a loose socket - duh.

This is my fan layout. The orientation is simply for aesthetics (and the cables lie better!)

 

What temperature difference do you get between fans on and off on the pad?

 

Not tested that since I have always had a pad. I'll check it out tomorrow, I'm just taking a break from a marathon session in GTA V!

So far it is better. On the old pad I'd be ramping the fan to max after an hour or so - once I saw 83c+ consistently. I've been playing for a couple of hours now and not needed to change from auto-fan once. It's not exactly a scientific test since I go into the map a lot and temps drop rapidly then, but the whole base plate stays cool to the touch so it spreads the cooling as well.

Another change is the temp differential between the cards. Previously the hotter card would be up to 12c higher. Even though this card always runs a few mV less voltage. Now it never exceeds 5c. I know from previous Sli rigs I have built that the primary card runs hotter, but the utilization of the cards is very well balanced, never more that 3% difference.

Confusingly AB calls them GP1 and 2. 2 runs hotter on lower voltage. Heaven 4 shows them as GPU0 and 1, 0 being the hotter one . I dunno, whatever, the temps are now more acceptable with my current GTA V session running in the high 70's c. I also know the Sli voltage 'drift' is fixed in Prema's Vbios so it's not something just on my machine.

Oh yeah, I'm only running a very small GPU OC, +50/50. When NV finally nail down Win 10 code drivers I might be able to get more but no need at all ATM.

 

The primary card usually works harder and hotter, so even if the sample quality is higher than the 2nd card it can have higher temps.

 

Does anyone know someone in the Dayton Ohio area who might beable to install my 120hz display or help me do it? Thx guys


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That's exactly what I thought and never gave it a second thought, until this pad tests.

Why is it GPU 2 running hotter but it's the one with a lower max voltage, by .05v? GPU 1 is the cooler with the higher voltage. The cards temps are transposed between RivaTuner and Heaven4 and the voltages are not, but maybe it's just a reporting issue?

Forgot to add, I have repasted when I put the new CPU in.

 

I have changed mine up a bit to better match the intakes on the X8. But NY is so bloody muggy

 

Is the new Skylake processor worth waiting for?

 

Yeah, been there in the summer - sucked outside, then winter, also sucked outside, although DC wasn't much better in the 10 years I worked there. Fantastic fall though .

What GPU temps you seeing when pushing it? Ambient here is around 70F.

 

For a gamer not really due to the little impact the cpu has on gaming performance.

 

I work in Celcius mate as originally from UK haha! It ranges from 65 to 90F in NY it seems

I'll do some testing over the weekend as back in Buffalo for a few days. It's hard to get a scientific view given temp and humidity fluctuations in US. What I do know is I see a 5-10 deg difference between the SF-19 and the better positioned U3

I'll bench at 4.0GHz CPU and 1275Mhz GPU at the weekend and report back. I have upgraded paste but not liquid metal

 

4 ghz is a good cpu clock for the machine

 

Until you start loading down a game like Skyrim (a 4 year old game!) with too many mods, resulting in too many scripts running in a highly inefficient scripting engine (such as Skyrim's).

It's a sad state of affairs when dual 980m's in SLI can only run Skyrim at ~50ish FPS at 1920x1200 due to too many mods and scripts bogging down the CPU.

Not saying waiting for the Skylake processor is worth it or not, just lamenting that I can't get Skyrim to run better.

 

Well yes if you jam up the CPU with poorly coded software then it can slow down yes but running poor code on any part of the system will slow it down.

 

Oh, I know, just kind of commenting. Not making any real point. So, I suppose I was rambling.