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    *** Official Clevo P150EM / Sager NP9150 Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Ryan, Apr 7, 2012.

  1. atCryptic

    atCryptic Newbie

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    I'm about to order a P150EM from Malibal and trying to decide if I should wait for the 7970m. I know that the performance will be great but I'm afraid that the battery life will be worse than if I just stuck with the 675m. I'm a wrong in thinking this?
     
  2. micahmatthew

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    If you want it to be optimized for video editing you would be better off with GTX 675m or waiting for 680m, the CUDA cores help significantly in that area from what I've heard.
     
  3. TheDrunkardsTalk

    TheDrunkardsTalk Newbie

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    Hi all,

    I'm kind of new here but I'm just curious if anyone has a rough estimate of core and memory overclocking speeds for the nVidia GTX 675m or any other useful tweaks you've done to improve this GPU, or even the GTX 670m tweaks for the other interested P150 users! Thank you!

    -M
     
  4. w3ak3stl1nk

    w3ak3stl1nk Notebook Consultant

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    Power Director 10 system requirements are not specific to video card. CUDA is just the way in which graphics card gpus are addressed, but according to the website it can work with either type of card. ATI does have an equivalent to CUDA and the application lists it as compatible.
    PowerDirector 10 - the world?s fastest video editing software

    A simple internet search should have told you that... If you assume that CUDA is better because it is CUDA then you really don't understand the point of redirecting processing to the GPU. It is just an application programming interface(API) to interact with the GPU.

    As stated earlier in this forum SRT caps at 64GB and provides a benefit similar to hybrid drives. So a pure SSD on the primary bay should perform better. If you are reencoding depending on the application itself sometimes it is heavy on the read writes on the drive in which case a SSD might help. The rendering is GPU intensive like the application (Powerdirector) lists requirement but what it "actually" does may be different so you should study up on that. So your specs should do fine for the most part but might bottle neck when you are encoding a dvd if you do that which is normally CPU intensive... unless you have an application that pushes it to the GPU. If the Powerdirector can also encode then mainly just GPU intensive.

    Been out of the media business for a few years now so could be wrong or maybe the technology I was using wasn't as high speed as yours.
     
  5. b33k3rz

    b33k3rz Notebook Enthusiast

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    In the future, if you want to upgrade this laptop, won't you need to buy a new power supply brick that has higher wattage?
     
  6. w3ak3stl1nk

    w3ak3stl1nk Notebook Consultant

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    Earlier post addresses this issue and not a good idea.
     
  7. sk3tch

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    jefflacky, you may want to reconsider spending $200 on an 80GB mSATA SSD and also using a 300GB 7.2k HDD. For similar money, you get a much faster 256GB Samsung 830 (or equivalent, i.e. Intel 520, 240GB) SSD.

    mSATA is SATA2 and your HDD is in the main slot (SATA3) but it won't take advantage of the speed.
     
  8. MrLibya

    MrLibya Notebook Enthusiast

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    Just Ordered a Sager NP9150 but didn't order a matte screen. I have been using glossy all my life and have used matte some times. Am I missing out for not ordering with matte screen
     
  9. jaug1337

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    Please clarify this for me. I believe I've confused myself.

    The P150EM uses the HM77 which supports RAID.

    Getting a mSATA with a main SATA-III drive gives you the opportunity to RAID.

    Getting a SATA-III in the main drive and a second drive in the ODD should give you the ability to RAID too correct?

    .. I'm utterly out of my sense here.
     
  10. s2kPanda

    s2kPanda Notebook Enthusiast

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    I believe that if you get a mSATA, you have the opportunity to use Intel SRT which pretty much turns the mSATA into cache while allowing your hard drive to run at SSD-like speeds(SATA-II). If you get a SATA-III for the main drive and another drive in the ODD it'll only run raid at SATA-II speeds because the ODD is only wired for SATA-II.
     
  11. jaug1337

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    That wont happen for sure, the speed will be the main drive + the ODD drive.

    I just need to know if this will work or not. Haven't quite understood the benefits of HM77.
     
  12. sk3tch

    sk3tch Notebook Deity

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    Yes, you can do RAID but I recommend sticking with HDD if you are doing that. Because you will only get SATA-II speeds if you RAID a SATA-II drive with a SATA-III drive.
     
  13. dasgnurgen

    dasgnurgen Notebook Guru

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    Well that's it then buying the np9150!

    Getting it pretty much stock settings but with an intel 520 180gb SSD and a 7970M. I'll post a review in like July or so when I've settled down with it.

    ^_____________^
     
  14. adversive

    adversive Notebook Enthusiast

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    The optical drive caddy doesn't come with the bezel?
     
  15. b33k3rz

    b33k3rz Notebook Enthusiast

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    What page was it adressed?
     
  16. jefflackey

    jefflackey Notebook Evangelist

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    Could you expand on this a bit? I haven't purchased a new laptop (or any computer!) in 5 years, and I have only purchased standard HDs, so the whole SSD world is new to me.

    My desired outcome: I need a lot of HD space (my 500 gig HD on my current machine is full) and I need maximum speed. I guess everyone wants that, but it is a high priority to me. So I don't think I could live with just, say, 256 Gig of HD space. I also need to have a BluRay writer in the machine due to how much I have to lug it around - I could use an add-on writer, I suppose, but it would be a pain much of the time.

    So with that - what would you specifically suggest for the best HD config?

    Thanks very much.
     
  17. jefflackey

    jefflackey Notebook Evangelist

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    On the internet search, been there done that, know the claimed specs on the program, but I need to get more info as there are folks on Cyberlink forums who have reported issues using the program with ATI Radeon GPUs and not getting the hardware acceleration benefits that you would expect based on the "on the box" claims, with some benchmarks that seem to support their issues. Still waiting for a reply from the tech support folks at Cyberlink. I just wonder if they did a better job with PD10 with the CUDA API than they have with the API for the Radeon chips.
     
  18. JAGMAN

    JAGMAN Notebook Consultant

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    hi,
    I am thinking of getting a P150EM and i was wondering if it can support a future upgrade to the gpu/cpu.
    thanks
     
  19. nakoni47

    nakoni47 Notebook Geek

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    I do have to press down hard on the keys, but I am use to a gateway keyboard where there was minimal resistance from the keys. I think it will just take some use to getting use to.

    Sent from my LG-P999 using Tapatalk 2

    Hard to tell depends on what the mobo will support and the architecture if thr future gpus and chips.

    Sent from my LG-P999 using Tapatalk 2
     
  20. TwinTurbo

    TwinTurbo Notebook Consultant

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    I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'm in a similar situation as yourself (needing a Blu-Ray drive, not willing to settle for just 256GB, new to SSD).

    I ended up getting a 750GB 7,500RMP HDD in the primary bay, Blu-Ray burner in the optical bay, and a 128GB mSATA SSD in the mSATA slot. You lose out on SATAIII functionality, which the primary bay offers, but you do get a great compromise between speed and storage capacity.

    As it was explained to me, the mSATA drive will be slower than an SSD utilizing SATAIII in the primary bay, but it won't really be noticeable in real word scenarios, only benchmarks.
     
  21. jefflackey

    jefflackey Notebook Evangelist

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    Hmmm. Didn't see that as an option on the vendor site I was using, which is odd since they all seem to have the same options for the same notebook.

    How do you use the 128GB mSATA SSD? Do you have it set up for SRT (I assume not, as that would be a waste since it can only use 64GB and I don't think you can use only part of the drive for that?) Or just a second lettered drive?
     
  22. Anthony@MALIBAL

    Anthony@MALIBAL Company Representative

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    It sounds like he's just using it as a stand alone drive. A 128GB mSATA boot drive and a 750GB storage drive (so there are two drive letters in use, plus the optical drive).
     
  23. TwinTurbo

    TwinTurbo Notebook Consultant

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    It won't be used as a cache drive. I'll have the OS on the SSD, as well as a few games. Everything else will be on the HDD.

    Basically, what anthony@malibal said :)
     
  24. JAGMAN

    JAGMAN Notebook Consultant

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    I was thinking of getting a nvidia quadro 3000M or 4000M or 5010M in an upgrade but i don't know if the gpu is removable.
     
  25. Heihachi_1337

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    The GPU in these laptops can be removed and swapped, they are not soldered to the mainboard.
     
  26. JAGMAN

    JAGMAN Notebook Consultant

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    With the same cooler?
     
  27. Heihachi_1337

    Heihachi_1337 Notebook Deity

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    They may use a different heatsink plate for the GPU, but they still have a certain form factor they have to follow.
     
  28. mellerle

    mellerle Notebook Enthusiast

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    I heard there was a problem with Quadro cards and Optimus. Check this before you do the upgrade.
     
  29. ydaf

    ydaf Notebook Consultant

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    Nobody can help me with this?? ^^

    Also, no matter what Power settings I choose (I've tried both:Windows default one and the Clevo provided control panel) my power setting profile always reverts to "Power Saving" profile after turning on my laptop.
    I've tried making a custom one, also changing from the energy star option...pretty much everything and it always reverts back to this. I don't know why it can't stay at "Balanced" for example.
    Thanks.
     
  30. mythlogic

    mythlogic Company Representative

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    Quadros work great, we offer them in our configs, Optimus works, we just got done doing 3 of them with 3000M's in them recently.
     
  31. JAGMAN

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    So,if i get a P150EM with gtx 675M/670M, will i be able to upgrade it with a Quadro 3000M/4000M/5010M without having any problems with the cooler that is already installed?
     
  32. jrittz

    jrittz Notebook Enthusiast

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    ^^ I'm interested in this answer as well.
     
  33. wild05kid05

    wild05kid05 Cook Free or Die

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    If the heat sinks are the same then it would be fine. Otherwise, you need the card's heatsink too


    Sent from my wholly molly new iPad using Tapatalk
     
  34. rorkas

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    Does P150EM gets much hotter than 170EM? Notebookcheck shows 5-10C higher laptop surface temps for 15.6".
    Does any reseller have temps with 7970M yet?
     
  35. nakoni47

    nakoni47 Notebook Geek

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    If there is any chance you will be using this in direct sunlight, the matte screen will be worth it. Also if you hate the glare from a glossy screen, under ambient room lighting, it is worth the upgrade. If you like the vivid colors while gaming or watching movies stuck with the glossy screen.

    Sent from my LG-P999 using Tapatalk 2
     
  36. wild05kid05

    wild05kid05 Cook Free or Die

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    We shall create a plugin for iTunes light show :cool: ,anyone on board ?


    Sent from my wholly molly new iPad using Tapatalk
     
  37. thailandgod

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    is anyone know when sager will start production their notebook with 7970m?
     
  38. jrittz

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    I haven't seen any specific dates but from what I can tell from what other's are saying, mid to late May. I imagine if you ordered now, you may be looking at longer wait times because pre-orders have been up for a week or so and a lot of people have already jumped on that bandwagon. I know that doesn't help a whole lot but it seems to be the general concensus at this point.
     
  39. thailandgod

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    I started my order on Monday. I just hope it will not take a month to arrive :(
     
  40. hackness

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    Just ordered P150EM SE with GTX675M from MALIBAL :D

    Expected shipping date 05/11/2012

    Might upgrade to GTX680M at a latter time.

    Spec is in my signature, total cost with shipping fee (EMS) is around 1610.90 usd. That's with the $50 discount over 1500 usd + $30 NBR discount. It's gonna be shipped to the UK so I guess the VAT fee I'll be paying is somewhere around $210 ~ $250.
     
  41. dasgnurgen

    dasgnurgen Notebook Guru

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    Hope AMD releases drivers soon for the 7970M so we can get some better information on the whole enduro technology part of the notebook, get some nice temperature scores and battery life scores.
     
  42. thinkican

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    Why are the Intel brand Ssd the only option when it comes to upgrading the HD to a SSD on most websites?
     
  43. dasgnurgen

    dasgnurgen Notebook Guru

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    If we're strictly speaking of Sager resellers, that is because Sager probably has a contract of some sort with Intel for that. Though you can probably talk to the sales rep's of one of the resellers and they will install another brand SSD that you want.
     
  44. Heihachi_1337

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    Sager had opted to stick with Intel SSDs as a matter of choice.

    The great thing with Sager though, is that if you want a different brand of SSD, you can get one and install it yourself without voiding the warranty. Unless of course, you happen to break something, that wouldn't be covered under warranty. :)
     
  45. dasgnurgen

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    The intel 520 series are great SSD's anyhow. People have commented on their reliability (based on newegg reviews) Most of the reviews about BSOD and other things like that (which are common among all SSD reviews) are from people who haven't bothered updating their firmware, or honestly (just like with any tech) got unlucky with a defective SSD. I have a OCZ Vertex 3 and so does my Girlfriend and we both have had 0 issues with them since the start (based on same SandForce as the 520 series)
     
  46. Heihachi_1337

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    I agree with that statement. It is quite common for a lot of folks to forget to update the firmware with any of the SSD drives.

    I also have an OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, with firmware 2.15 (will be updating to 2.22 this weekend) and I have also had zero issues.
    My wife is running a Samsung 830 series in hers, and the only reason she didn't get the Intel was because the Samsung just happened to be on sale at the time. :)
     
  47. awakeN

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    Say, is the Late May ETA for the 7970M the production start date, shipping date, or the delivery date? It's quite vague.

    Or perhaps I'm just being impatient waiting for the 7970M :p
     
  48. Support.3@XOTIC PC

    Support.3@XOTIC PC Company Representative

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    Thats the date for them to be in stock then production can begin.
     
  49. dasgnurgen

    dasgnurgen Notebook Guru

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    Yeah exactly, if you're not cool with paying the price that the sellers are asking for the intel 520's then go ahead and surf through newegg to find deals (with the vertex 4 release, a lot of OCZ ones are coming out cheap. Newegg.com - OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) That link is for a $115 ($100 after rebate) Agility 3, which is equally very fast. For sandforce driven SSD's it's a matter of getting the latest firmware, then just choosing the right price.

    edit: also just throwing this in; Sager will most likely have the latest firmware in the Intel SSD's (if you're not a fan of updating Firmware), hopefully this has helped you out.
     
  50. thailandgod

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    yeah I am becoming impatient as well :D
     
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