**OFFICIAL M860TU/ETU Owners Lounge**

The point of having a large HD is so you can have more stuff without reaching maximum storage.

 

Exactly.

 

What do I need to convert the DVI out on this guy into VGA? Will a simple DVI to VGA cable work?

 

Either that or a DVI to VGA adapter.

 

disappointing, yet unexpectedly high HDD temps.

this is only after running 3dmark06 and installing firefox.
hdd idles at like 52, which doesn't seem safe for me, i cant imagine what ill peak at when i start really using the hdd.
eh...

 

wow, all this talk about gpu temps is making me hold off.

 

ARom, its not gpu but harddrive temps which people are referring to.

 

I'm not too technical with puters but will undervolting help to any degree with this issue of higher than normal temps until Sager comes out with a more permanent fix? I have the 8660 on order so any comments would be appreciated.

I also thought of adding more holes and using a Vornado fan pointed straight at the sucker to try and keep it cooler (now you know why they call me nutz).

 

GPU temp problems is what I expected to be the problem, actually, and I'm surprised that that's not an issue. The HDD design looks not that great, but neither does the actual HDD used (Hitachi Travelstar, at least the one listed above (320gb 5400rpm option I think)). These (at least smaller models) run on the hot side (3-6 degrees, platter dependent) and not too reliably from personal experience; I prefer Fujitsu or Seagates (which are noisy).

No, undervolting would not help this at all. Nothing would, short of a case mod, a HDD heatsink (no room tbh), or lower speed/size drive. I went for a smaller, slower HDD because of this reason, and I have a couple of 4200rpm drives that I can test for heat (+ compare to other laptops I guess) if need be/5400rpm runs too hot.

 

Could we get one of the resellers to comment on the hard drive temperatures... Donald or Justin?

Even though the manufacturer for my hard drive states the operating temperature to be 5C - 55C, it could be the low end. At least I'm hoping it is and that the hard drive can withstand higher temps, otherwise I'm in the same boat as you guys

 

Definitely, I'm wondering if I should still place an order for this thing.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=291692&page=4

 

I am hoping they can update a bios and fix this issue, because there is no way for the hard drive to be this hot, there must be an unnessessary overload some where.

 

We don't even know if its the hard drive itself that produce to much heat, the northbridge like Shyster pointed out or only a bad design. The best solution should be that Sager sends to everyone some SSD

 

I've been looking at the in/under-side of the M860TU again and I noticed that the Chipset sink is actually in a dead spot where there's not much air movement. It looks like there is a grill on the base plate but I want everyone to try something:

Take a mini 40mm fan if you have one, or any case fan, and stick it right under the grill that covers the chipset sink. If temps drop dramatically then we know what the culprit is.

I think that the NB sink is dissipating heat to the surrounding area but either the grills are too small or there's not enough movement so that hot air stays inside the chassis, heating up the ram and HDD.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the actual HDD placement or its immediate surroundings. Most laptop harddrives will be in confined spaces like that.

 

I dissagre, I think that a miscalculation in ventelation it the culprit. perhaps we can make it dissapate with a DIY sollution.

 

Even with the SSD it's still warm. An individual got his Edge laptop with SSD drive and he claims that area still gets warm.

 

was that teebo? he also said that the ssd read at 0c (are SSD's that good?)

so that confirms that its not the HDD/SSD that causes the heat.

 

Just ordered mine.

 

I don't really understand could you come up with some pics?

And I agree, most laptop's HDD don't have any fans and all but they still run cooler.

 

They are major issues of heating?

 

The only movement of air in the entire chassis is in the bottom of the fan, through the heatsink and out the back.

I'm guessing fan duct is closed off on the side closest to the NB so that more air travels through the heatpipe sink. So what happens then is there isn't really any air moving around the NB heatsink.

Love of Lava, it isn't a major issue of heating. Some people are reporting no problems at all. But it is a little concerning given how widespread it is.

 

I wouldn't call it "major" as the CPU and GPU are more than OK. If Gavinh is right, we would at least know where the problem comes from and that the HDD have no problems. Also, Justin said that he wasn't too much concerned about heat. Personally, I trust them to deliver good quality.

@ gavinh: When the hard drive is running at 55-60, thats not major but its more than a little concern. If that's indeed the NB, what could be done to solve this? Drill some holes for air to come out .

 

Someone try it already! =\

The reason you can't do it with a laptop cooler is because it just blasts air at the whole base.

One fan would also help with air circulation if it's pushing air through one grill onto the NB heatsink then it can come out through the other ones. A notebook cooler will just be blowing air into all the grills leaving it with no real place to go.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily call it an overheating problem because all temps reported so far (except Ad@m's maybe? Where is he anyway?) are still within the thermal margins. But barely.

 

The hdd temp is 50-55°C ?

 

about that much

 

Some people are reporting up to 60'C. Which is still okay, but it's also the maximum (environmental) operating temp.

 

You people are either worried too much or has it some thing to do with the 320gb 7200 hdd?

I am using a 320gb 5400 hdd and i absolutely have no issues here of any sort!

Coz my hdd only felt warm after 30 gb of songs were trasferred continuoesly from a different hdd. But I dint even fell it to be hot until i am reading these posts. By warm i mean i felt comfortable placing my arms on it. I can say its not even close to hot.

I would like to hear more from you guys on this problem and see if i can help

 

@racoon: you need to read the posts cuz it's not just the 320 7200 hard drive that people are talking about. Also, it's not just how warm or hot the notebook feels, but what the actual temperature reading is and how it could affect the hard drive.

 

Aren't these laptops stress tested before they ship out?

 

those temps are not allarming, so they are accepted to be sent out.

 

If a lack of proper airflow from front to back is the problem, does anyone want to take a page from Asus and try their trick? I recall that the fake "subwoofer" on the G50V is in fact the covering for the main fan vent, so that the air is pulled in from the little slots over the other components and then exhausted from the back or the side, creating an airflow similar to what you'd see in a desktop case. I don't know how much clearance there is between the fan and the bottom of the case, but if there is a little clearance, maybe someone can try the following experiment - tape a piece of cardboard over the circular fan intake on the exterior and then see if the temps for the HDD and palmrest get any better.

I'll try and dig up that post from the Asus section on NBR and post it....might take a while since I can't seem to find the search function for the forums.

 

It depends on the seal between the fan grill and the fan shroud. On my current Clevo laptop there is a ring of foam around the inside of the fan grill so it creates a pretty tight seal with the fan shroud. If that's the case I'm not sure the fan would be able to draw enough air from the other grills, or if the other grills are even large enough to allow enough air through.

Interesting idea though, I may try something to restrict airflow through the main vent, but probably not cover it completely.

 

Found that thread. Google is still king...

 

Sweeet.

Do you have pictures of what the grill looks liek normally?

 

Here are 3 reviews on the G50V...there are some pics that may or may not be helpful.

Review 1
Review 2
Review 3

 

Hm. In the first one there's no "sticker" covering the grill and it doesn't look like it would restrict airflow that much...

Never mind. I see it now, the vent is covered from the inside.

But as you can see there's no sort of seal that goes around the fan shroud so it's able to draw air from the other vents. If the M860TU has some kind of seal then the fan wouldn't be able to draw air from the rest of the vents and then the CPU/GPU would probably also end up overheating.

 

Review 2 has this picture, which seems to show the inside completely covered by a piece of plastic.

EDIT - Nevermind, I need to read previous posts more carefully But yeah, it all depends on how well the fan in the M680TU is sealed up. If it is sealed, then I guess we need some daring user or reseller to do a test mod and unseal it.

 

If we're lucky it'll just be a ring of foam like my current Clevo. Just a matter of prying it off I suppose.

Come on people... Are you not at all curious about trying to improve the situation here? =\

M860TU Owners! Please tell me if there's any sort of foam or other kind of sealant on the inside of the main fan grill that seals off the fan shroud from the rest of the chassis.

Thanks

 

The design of the Asus is so brilliant. Good performance and nice temps. Of course the Sager got a deadly heatsink but why no airflow in the case? That would solve all the problemzzz...

I already ordered my Sager NP8660 so I'll see what I can do. For now, I'll just wait and see what is going to be Clevo/Sager's response.

 

Do I get a prize if Sager releases a press statement asking all NP8660 owners to cover up the main vent?


Even though it wasn't exactly my idea

 

You would get some rep

 

Or I could be barking up the wrong tree entirely.

If there was something wrong with the power supply though I would expect the temperature to stay constantly high, not start out kind of high and then get very high.

Unless Clevo calculated some resistors wrong and ...

 

I just hope they won't do like NVIDIA and wait few years before saying there's a problem...and then saying that everything is going to be OK.

 

Where is this fan in the powerbrick? Mine has none =(

 

@Lies! Really? Did you have a look through the vent with a flashlight? Another guy said that too but then he had another look.

Also, thinking about it. If it really is the harddrive heating up excessively, the whole blocking of the main fan vent and encouraging airflow through more of the chassis might still help.

 

Yeah, gavin and I wouldn't mind receiving an M860TU (with the new design). Sager/Clevo, are you listening?

 

I haven't found anything inside my NP8660. Also, I guess that the temps are indeed a little bit on the high side, but not really that unmanageable. I'll have to try running some more tests, but so far the only time I've noticed it getting really hot is extended gaming without a cooling pad.

Yeah, yeah, I know the idea is that you should be able to game on the go, heh. But I don't really game all that much outside of home.

 

Can anyone comment on the power brick? Mine isn't hot and it doesn't have a fan in it. It also slips out every now and then from the back, so I'm worried I may have gotten the wrong one.

 

Have a look at the specs on the bottom. I recall (I think it was Donald) saying that it was 120W. As long as it puts out at least that much, you should be fine, provided it does fit properly.