**M570TU/ETU (Sager 5796/5797) Owners Thread**

Here you guys go:

BIOS 1.00.10
KBC/EC 1.00.09

Flash KBC/EC first

 

Your the man!!!! Great Thanks! Now let's see if it breaks! :s

 

Emike, you said that esata weirdness may be due to MB. How long did it take you to have MB replaced with Xoticpc/Sager? Esata is a relatively minor issue, although it would be nice to have it fixed. But it's just hard to believe that the faulty motherboard would affect ONLY esata. Yet everything else works fine (after BIOS 1.00.09, EC 1.00.08 update that fixed the stupid sound stuttering & "time loss" problem).


BTW, how did it go with BIOS 1.00.10 KBC/EC 1.00.09? Frankly, I'm not used to this kind of "support" (Sager's web site still has 1.00.04S), so I am hesitant to try... Would Sager people say "oh, but you shouldn't have..."

 

It was a 2 week turn around for my system. Seemed like 2 years.

 

OK all the crazy instibility issues I was having have not reared their ugly heads in about 7 hours...knock on wood. What I did was decided to try to downgrade the BIOS and the KBC/EC in steps. The first thig I tried was to downgrade the KBC to what sager had on their website, 1.00.04S. I emediatly noticed wondows loaded faster. Windows were poping up with no issues. No Random reboots since, No more BIOS Server errors (AKA Hotkey). I haven’t loaded and 3d games yet to further test, but I have not had windows throw an error or a random reboot in 7 hours so I’m going to bet the issue is gone. I don’t know why I had such issues with the BIOS 1.00.10 KBC/EC 1.00.09 combo. I did try to reload them 3 times in the end, and I did use two different thumb drives and downloaded the updates from two different PC’s so I know it wasn’t a bad file or thumb drive. I am going to try the Nvidia drivers later. Thanks for the link Blacky

 

2 LordSmack

Wow, I hope this really fixed it. Do you remember if you applied KBC/EC first (and then BIOS) when you upgraded to .10/.09? Because that's what theriko said...

In any case a problem like that WOULD explain why Sager didn't put it on their web site, except that they didn't put there a perfectly stable BIOS 1.00.09, EC 1.00.08 either...

 

2 Emike

Wow, 2 weeks sounds like a lot. Question is if it was the MB replacement that fixed the esata problem... It could be the BIOS upgrade... But then again, I don't want to mess with the BIOS after LordSmack's experience.

 

I've flashed the BIOS on multiple systems hundreds of times. You should be fine. If you don't want to brick your system though, only Sager will flash the BIOS under warranty.

They found a lot of other problems with my system, such as the camera cable being loose, subwoofer not plugged in, and multiple problems with the mobo i didn't know about. So it was nice to gave things tightened up and replaced.

 

Hmm... Subwoofer not plugged in sounds like something that I may have...
One last question: how did you convince them to actually do all of these things for you? Really, did you just call them (Xotic or Sager directly?) and tell "I want my MB replaced"?

 

Actually I called Xotic, told them what was happening, and they took care of everything. It was Sager who did the repairs; they did it all without my asking.

 

I flashed the KBC/EC first. Then the BIOS.

emike09. I wonder how common that subwoofer issue is. The laptop I bought from them a few years ago had the same issue but I found it, and when listening to music on the 5796 it doesn't sound like it is working either. I may have to check it too.

 

I'm not sure how common the issues is; I remember getting the system, putting my ear up to it while listening to some Fisherspooner, and heard nothing. With the woofer working, i can feel and hear the bass. Its not a powerful bass, mind you. It works from about 90-300hz, with the 200-250hz range being its most powerful. These are frequencies the normal speakers are quiet in; The subwoofer is more a compliment to the speakers for lower frequencies, than it is an actual subwoofer.

 

Hi there!
Could someone list here internal miniPCIe TV cards that are compatible with M570TU? Got recently burned with Avermedia A306 incompatibility (according to my laptop vendor). Is Avermedia A301 compatible, can anyone confirm?
Thanks in advance!

 

im going to send in my m570tu tomorrow. all the problems esata not working + silent modus frezzing something hat to be done. but its gona be a realy hard time without my baby. hope they will fix all those issues wish me luck.

greetings flode

ps. if they dont fix the issue schenker notebooks sucks...

 

I am wondering this too...I need a good TV-tuner!

 

Well decided to give Windows 7( 64-bit) a try and I have to say I am very impressed! Runs MUCH better than Vista 64-bit. Only one issue though Intells Turbo Memory doesn't work at all. I got the drivers to install but there is an error in device manager stating the device cannot start. Tried several different options and no go. This is apparently a problem for every one who has a laptop model with Turbo Memory and Windows 7 so I don't feel too bad!
So far everything seems to run much smoother and faster.

 

Glad you too are enjoying the wonderful environment of 7x64! As soon as I first installed it, I knew I wasn't going back. The Turbo Memory controller is an issue with everybody right now. According to an intel rep I contacted, 'There is currently no plans to support Windows 7 at this time.'. Standard intel response.

 

You know that will truly suck if it doesn't make it into the release of Win 7. I know they have struggled with it as some large vendors dropped it but I saw a very nice increase in programs loaded, though it really just made them run about as well as they do in W7 without Turbo Memory support, and I was really looking forward to dropping large sums of cash on bigger modules so I could load bigger games on it as I saw a very nice overall increase of startup and loading (maps etc) on several different games. You want to talk about nice? Visio flew when loaded! talk about making life easier.

 

Hello guys,

I own a Mojave notebook (clevo m570tu), qx9300, 9800gtx, Vista64. i saw this video on youtube about intel's extreme tuning utility, and how easy to overclock with this tool.
So i searched the internet but i could not find this anywhere, does anybody know anything about this?

Thanks

 

According to some, it is not available from Intel at this time, and when it does become available, it will be a purchased program. Some claim that XTU does not exist, and is only a API for comainies such as Gigabyte, EVGA, etc. to develop their own application with. Some say it doesn't exist, some say only intel insiders have access... it is absolutely impossible to determine the status of this program. I've likely logged over 15 hours searching for it, sending emails, calling companies and more, with absolutely no success.

 

Thanks emike, i guess we have to wait and see if this will ever be available.
Meanwhile i will do my gaming at stock clocks.
Overall i am very happy with this notebook, i bought it from Kobaltcomputers in the U.K., everything works fine. I am playing the most recent games at the highest resolution with very high fps. The only thing that could be better is and sound system, but if you plug some good speakers it will be fine.

 

I assume when you say stock clocks, you are referring only to the CPU. The GPU will overclock very nicely. Take your mem to at least 900MHz, add 5% more core, and 7.5% more shader, and you'll see a bit better performance with very little added heat.

 

Ok emike thanks for your help, i`m kind of a noob but i will try that, i guess a little boost will be welcome, specialy for GTAIV.

 

I see you put a sig up. With your config, you should be able to max GTAIV out once you put an overclock on your 9800M GTX. I run mine at 600/950/1550 for standard everyday gaming. I try to take it up to 650/965/1650 when benchmarking. I have GTA Maxed at 1680x1050, and get a solid 40-50fps with my 3.5GHz Dual core. Since GTA IV is designed for quads, you should see even better performance. The 9800M GTX is a very overclockable card. Once you get a bit more comfortable with things, flashing the 0617 vBIOS on the card will give you an extra umph of power. PM me if you have any OC questions.

 

I changed settings to 600/950/1550 and i can see an increase of performance on GTAIV, i see what you mean when you say its designed for quads, when i pull the nvidia system monitor i can see all 4 cores with high percentages, i also updated my driver to 179.48. thanks for the help.

 

I agree with emike on the 9800M GTX's overclockability I am running mine at 604/1510/850 and could go higher. But even with AS5 it still gets pretty hot at least for my tastes but still well within acceptable limits (most I've ever got in GTA4 was 82C).

However I do not endorse overclocking the memories to much. You will screw them in time, but hei... that's just my opinion.

 

Hi NP5797 owner's
Just bought my unit waiting for it to be delivered. I would like to know if I can put a X-Fi 5.1 sound card in the future since right now I just configured it with "Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio"
Thanks in advance.

 

On the PCI-E Express port you mean? Yeah sure, I have one on mine.

 

I used AS5 for a while, till I picked up some OCZ Freeze. Much better thermal paste. Drops temps another 5C or so, and is easier to apply and remove.

 

I might have to try that, with my9800gtx not overclocked I hit 90degree's playing Dawn of War II yesterday...Blew out some dust and now I hover around 85-88c, i would like it a bit lower..

 

Thats far too high for not being overclocked. If you've never reapplied thermal paste, you might find that Sager put far too much paste on. When I first pulled my GPU, there was about 4x too much paste, and was the primary cause for excess heat. Just s half pea sized amount will suffice.

 

Yes, thanks for the info.

 

Yeah, it was the same for my videocard. Took forever to clean all that crap and make it sparkling again. I might give OCZ Freez a go as well if you say it's so good.

 

Hi all,

I'm looking into purchasing the below Kobalt Mojave.

Chassis - :: Mojave Black & Silver Trim
Screen - :: 17" 1920x1200 WUXGA X-Glass
Processor - :: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P9500 Dual Core Processor 2.53GHz
Video Card - :: NVIDIA® GeForce® 9800M GTS 512MB GDDR3
Memory 1 - :: 4GB DDR3 PC3-8500 1066Mhz 8-8-8-27 2x 2GB DIMMs
Hard Drive - :: 320GB 7,200rpm SATA-II with 16MB Cache
7 in 1 card reader - :: 7 in 1 card reader
Operating system 1 - :: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Business 32-bit
Keyboard - :: English UK
Optical Device 1 - :: 8x DVD±R/W
Soundcard - :: Integrated High Definition Audio
Power Cable - :: UK
Warranty - :: 1 Year - European Collect & Return
Dead Pixel Guarantee - :: 30 Day Zero Dead Pixel Guarantee

Before I go ahead i've got a couple of questions I was hoping you might be able to answer please?

1. For general day to day usage (web browsing), does the system keep cool and is the fan noise quite low?

2. After playing games for an extended amount of time, how loud is the fan noise. Would you recommend using a notebook cooler to aid cooling?

3. Currently i'm playing World of Warcraft lots. Does anyone here have any experience with how this system performs at maximum settings and after a few hours of play?

4. Gophn mentioned about being able to control the fan speeds. Does anyone use this feature and how well does it work?

5. Is there anything in the spec above that you would change based on your experience using this model?

Thanks for any feedback.

 

Looks like you've got a decent system there. Overall pretty good. The latencies on the DDR3 seem to be a bit higher than most.

If you are going with 4GB of RAM, you should reconsider putting on a 64-bit OS. You may even consider dropping the vista package altogether and run the 7 x64 beta till 7 comes out.

I don't play WOW for too many reasons to count, but you will be able to max the game and have a very decent frame rate.

Fan speeds are Auto, Full, and Quiet mode. The quite will downscale your CPU, and is acceptable in meetings / school / etc.

 

I play alot of WoW...I have a very similar system to you, except that I have a 9800gtx 1gig and 64bit operating system (No problems what so ever with Vista Home 64bit)

I run the game at max setting's all the time, but I do have some frame rate drop in 25man Naxx runs. There's just so much going on that when I enter the raid i lower the spell detail down a notch, escpially if there are any death knights in the group. If you going to game alot, I would def go with a 64bit operating system and if you have the cash switch to a better video card, the games are always getting more advanced, and you can never have to much firepower.. In Dawn of War II i had to lower my resolution down a notch to have smooth game play, I hate not have all the graphcis settings maxed

 

Hey squallmike just to let you know that you may wanna check and make sure the black and silver trim is in stock. From what I understand most people get the black and orange and therefore larger numbers are kept in stock, whereas you may have to wait for kobalt to receive a shipment of the silver chassis.

So you may want to give them a call if you don't want to have to wait an extra week or so.

 

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Gixxerdude, how hot does the notebook get and how loud do the fans get after a few hours of playing/raiding WoW?

I'm definately tempted by the graphics card upgrade. It's not a machine I plan to replace anytime soon, so if you think it's a worthwhile investment i'll probably go for it.

 

Just cleaned her up, went from 90-92c during game play back down to 62-64c

Really easy to do.

So far as temps they stay pretty low with world of warcraft I haven't played since i just cleaned everything, but the highest i noticed it was around 70c (i would imagine 60c's now)for the gpu. No part of the laptop is hot to the touch. The fans aren't bad, I use a notebook cooler, the Zalman Nc-2000. I dont really see any changes in temps, but it makes sure i am not blocking any of the fan ports while gaming on my lap(99% of my gaming is with the laptop on my lap) with Itunes playing and my computer volumes at 60% i do not hear the fans at all during game play, in fact while I was testing temps in Dawn of War II after cleaning, I could hear my neighbors GF yelling "YES YES YES!" far more clearly then i could my laptop fans

 

How can you reach 90C on the 9800M GTX ? It should downclock once it passes 90C leading to serious performance issues or even crashes... or at least that's what I know.

Mine runs at max 80C now in Dawn of War and it's OCed. I used to get more around 82-83 but the AS5 takes a while to reach it's maximum potential.

 

I didn't notice any performance issues, i was gaming forawhile... I use CPUID and it records the max temp it see's and I always check that after gaming..

Now that i cleaned it all out and use OCZ freeze on the GPU 65c is the highest i've gotten so far in Dawn of War..

 

65 C ? WoW I wouldn't get that even without OC. Without OC with stock thermal paster I got like 75-78. It's either OCZ is a miracle or my GPU gets hoter than normal. And I don't think the dust is to blame.

Oh well. I am doing fine with it now even at 80C.

 

These gpu's don't downclock till over 100C. I wouldn't recommend running one at 90C regulary, but it shouldn't hurt it.

 

But in the BIOS it writes that core threshold is at 90C. What gives ?

 

That's what I alway's thought.

Could be a difference in readings between what the bios see's and what the software see's?

 

I think the OCZ stuff is good, but it is the combanation of someone sneezing thermal paste over the gpu from the factory, instead of applying it properly and using product that is a little bit better..

I was amazed at how easy it was to clean everything up, if your going to clean it you might as well order some thermalpaste of it as you expose the GPU when your taking the heat sink out, which you need to do to clean the fan properly..There was a wall of dust in the heat pipe block which is where the fan directly blows the air..Essentially, the whole heat pipe was blocked and not effective because of just a bit of dust...In my machine at least..

If you do get the OCZ freeze, just remember that you do not spread it over the CPU/GPU like you do artic silver, you just put a small rice sized line of it in the center of the gpu, then reinstall the cooler.

 

Alright, cheers for the tips.

 

Just got my Sager NP5797 from xoticpc! very satisfied with it! Thanks Justinw for all the help. really appreciate it.

I experience minor keyboard flex in the right part of keyboard (jkl - enter keys) although this isn't a big thing for me just wanna ask if you guys also experience this?

 

nolem: I was just checking today and yes, there indeed there some minor keyboard flex. But I have never noticed until you told about it. You really have to be pushing hard to get it to flex.

 

Base on my experience I didn't press it hard. The buttons in that area just didn't sound solid like the others that's how I noticed the keyboard flex.
thanks for the info.