**D900F (Sager 9280) Owners Lounge**

they would need to completely rework the power setup and the motherboard...

hopefully they are reworking the bios to support over clocking of cpu and unlocking the pll as well.. anything is else is a moot point. (personal opinion only)

 

At least we can dream ya?

 

That would be nice too...

 

It would seem that if it was anything MAJOR they would put a hold on pre-orders pull the statements saying Estimated Ship Date: May 27, 2009 like prostar and others are posting. Wow May 27th is only 7 days away!

 

i was referring to anyone thinking they we're making an sli i7...which they ain't. not now any ways.. and that it's probably more bios related than anything. that is what usually is the problem right before release. bios controls a lot of things and if it's not right..system stability and heat problems...(speculation of course)

 

Yes, I think that is a logical speculation too.

 

No, youze guys got it all wrong! What they're doing is putting the final finishing touches on the laptop version of the Computer-kegger:


For years, now, desktop owners have had the luxury of getting draught beer ontap with their systems; hopefully, Clevo is in the final stages of remedying that injustice by building the first notebook-kegger!

 

Great Stuff, Great Stuff.... or should I say Genius! pun intended

 

what? on clevo it says d900f supporting sli
is this true ?

 

I'm about 99% positive it will not come with SLI, although yes it is possible I believe to put another card in... although I dont recommend it

 

lol...i don't drink so mine would have to be sprite!.haha

say gophn...can you examine the title of this thread and maybe make a slight addon...like..NO SLI AT THIS TIME...please..... and if they should add it later...then the thread could reflect that..(that's a mighty big IF though)

 

Possible with ONE MXM slot unh... Someone give me a soldering iron ?

 

So there is no 1680x1050 res option for the D900F?

 

No... At least not yet.

 

Lol its not possible so you can be 100% certain that it cant and wont so nothing to not recommend .

 

yeah, it's possible to put another card in there..
will it sit there.. yes
will it work... no
where will it lay at.. on top of memory
is there a pci e slot for it.. no
can it be hooked up.. no
can you run sli and have it work... no
can you power up second card.. no
room for heat sink and fan... no
plug for fan... no


half serious...half playing around....but is it the truth... yes it is

 

Oh my bad, I forgot that they had to move the memory in where the second slot was

 

would a D900F motherboard fit into a D901C case? anybody familiar with that?

 

Just showed off my 9262 around the "office" and it convinced two of my buddies to buy the 9280 over some other pos they were looking at.

 

ask for discount then for no9280 since u found 2 buyers

 

Off topic: A laptop would be nice with a soda/beer spicket, but I think I would want something more....morning..ish like coffee in my desktop. (coffee was a bad example, erm..)

On topic: I know I'm probably the only one, but I think personally I would rather have another hard drive bay, than another card for SLI. *hide*
I run out of storage with all my projects so quickly.

 

I would sacrifice the 3rd HDD bay for a bigger capacity battery
You could always use external HDD with E-SATA interface if you need for more space. The 3.5" external HDD will give you twice the space for the price of 2.5" one.

 

Yeah I know, but the reason I would go with this laptop is to pretty much have a portable desktop. I want to keep external accessories at a very low, accessible number.
Battery doesn't mean much to me, but it would be kinda nice to have some more minutes of use, without a provided power outlet.

 

do what i do...buy an extra battery..

 

My guess is that if they are doing anything to the system is to make sure that it can suppor the i7-950.. .. the i7-940 is about to die.

 

is RAID 5 a good choice?
i want to build the d900f with 3 identical hard-drives. If i set them up with RAID 5, will i receive better performance ? and do i lose any storage capacity with this RAID level ?

 

as for batteries if there were a battery with about 16 cells appossed to 12 would there be a significant increase in battery life? probably could never find one for the 9280 tho...

 

I was thinkinng about that too.

Currently I have mine set up with 2 320's set up with raid 0 @7200rpm...But was thinking baout having a 3rd 320 put in under raid 1 just for mirroring...Will this work good guys?...Does the 3rd one need to be 7200 rpm?...or will having 5400rpm slow down peformance?...I thinking no because it's just mirroring but, would like some input on this..

 

I actually prefer 2X ssd in raid 0 and a 500gb mechanical

 

well true..SSD is fast but there is disadvantage on this type

i Quote from wiki :

Limited write (erase) cycles: Flash-memory cells will often wear out after 1,000 to 10,000 write cycles for MLC, and up to 100,000 write cycles for SLC[18], while high endurance cells may have an endurance of 1–5 million write cycles (many log files, file allocation tables, and other commonly used parts of the file system exceed this over the lifetime of a computer).[33][34][35] Special file systems or firmware designs can mitigate this problem by spreading writes over the entire device (so-called wear leveling), rather than rewriting files in place.[36] In 2008 wear leveling was just beginning to be incorporated into consumer level devices.[18] However, effective write cycles can be much less, because when a write request is made to a particular memory block, all data in the block is overwritten even when only part of the memory is altered. The write amplification, as referred by Intel, can be reduced using write memory buffer.[37] In combination with wear leveling, over-provisioning SSD flash drives with spared memory capacity also delays the loss of user-accessible memory capacity. NAND memory can be negatively impacted by read and program (write) disturbs arising from over accessing a particular NAND location. This overuse of NAND locations causes bits within the NAND block to erroneously change values. Wear leveling, by redirecting SSD writes to lesser-used NAND locations, thus reduces the potential for program or write disturbs.[38] An example for the lifetime of SSD is explained in detail in this wiki.[dubious – discuss] SSDs based on DRAM, however, do not suffer from this problem.
As a result of wear leveling and write combining, the performance of SSDs degrades with use [39][40]. Eventually, wear leveling will use each page on the drive at least once, so further writes always involve a block erase. Although write combining (if supported by the device) offers advantages, it causes internal fragmentation in the SSD which degrades the sequential read speed. Such fragmentation cannot be mitigated by the operating system.
Slower write speeds: As erase blocks on flash-based SSDs generally are quite large (e.g. 0.5 - 1 megabyte)[18], they are far slower than conventional disks during small writes (write amplification effect) and can suffer from write fragmentation.[41] Recent SSDs mitigate this problem using large DRAM write buffers and intelligent controllers. Also, modern copy-on-write or log-structured file systems (e.g., btrfs or NILFS) write linearly to the disk, not triggering the write amplification effect. SSDs based on DRAM, which do this several orders of magnitude faster than conventional disks, do not suffer from this problem

 

all i got out of that was...

you might as well stick with a regular hard drive....

 

not true. SSDs do offer some advantages - they're immune to mechanical damage from shocks, getting dropped, etc. also, even though they will "wear out" after a while, they're still noticably faster than in terms of read/write than almost all conventional HDDs, and their seek times are unmatched.

 

SSDs are nice and fast... but way overpriced.

If you got the money to burn, then go for it.

If you want to save money, a standard HDD is still plenty fast and has much larger capacity.

Heat will always be a factor when there is electricity involved.

 

My M1730 auction ends pretty soon, haven't made up my mind whether to go ahead, or to pull it down, cos M1730 still is hell of a machine...

On the other hand, 9280 from Xotic PC looks pretty good, but if I get it from them, I'd have to pay 15% tax +custom fee, as I live in the UK; its not much, but that 15% can almost get me a i7 940 upgraded from 920. So its either ordering it now, or wait for Novatech to clear them in Q3/4 for about 1500 GBP; which they always do before restocking next gen stuff. But buying from them now is unrealistically expensive.

A single GPU will do me fine. What I need is raw performance; in which case, the likes mobile CPU doesn't have, unless I spend another $500 on a QX9300. One thing that concerns me is the screen quality. I find M1730's screen just bright enough. I remember reading a 9280 comparison that mentioned the Sager's WUXGA panel was much dimmer than M1730's, is that true?

 

its true..i didn't say SSD were slow, its magnificently fast than conventional HDD, but the price & size are quite large if you compare it.... for me right now...i can wait a couple a sec for booting and loading some application with conventional HDD

 

That problem was only found in the Sager 8662 lower resolution models, I have heard only great things about the 9262 and 9280 screens

 

Mainly will use it in the Uni after summer. If screen is not of that great quality, I can always hook it to an external monitor...

Though truth be told, I'm probably better off with a higher spec'ed desktop, cos I wont move it that much. Decision time...

 

Here is a bit of a update:
The new Sager NP9280 is ready to ship early next week with the Intel Core i7 920. Many customers have ordered with the Intel Core i7 940 & Core i7 965 XE. Sager is planning to support future Intel® Core™ i7 processors in LGA-1366 package that will be released soon. The new SKU’s will be a better value to customers that have ordered with Core i7 940 & Core i7 965 XE. Sager plans to hold customer orders of the Core i7 940 & Core i7 965 XE and ship these orders with future Intel® Core™ i7 processors in LGA-1366 package at no extra cost to the customers.

 

did they say whether or not they we're shipping with over clocking or not?

 

Hi Quicklite, If you don't want to import a laptop there are other companies in the UK that sell the same chassis that might be worth looking at.

 

Definitely waiting for reviews on this thing. I might just jump the gun and get it if I have enough funds for it~ Currently still debating whether to get the D901C or D900F. Don't really need SLI, and the capabilites of an i7 seem to overweigh that of SLI...

 

I'm a bit of a noob...what does LGA-1366 package do?

And how long will this wait be for?

 

LGA-1366 is the Core i7 Socket...

 

so should i delay the order of d900f now and wait for the extra lga-1366 ?

 

I'm sure it will still ship around the first or second week of june

 

I'm planning on reviewing it very soon.

Waiting to get my hands on one of the first units now.

 

ask for an unlocked one....

 

Hey guys,

So I was a GateWay FX P7811 owner, sold it on ebay and thought I would move up to a better laptop.
I liked the looks of the Dell XPS 1730, plus being SLI. So I ordered one on May 7th.
Today, I find out from Dell they had to cancel it because the x9000 processor is end of life.
In the mean time I have been following the Sager forums and I see that you get more bag for you buck hardware-wise on a Sager.
So I am thinking about jumping camps and buying a Sager and dumping my XPS 1730 dreams.

Would I be disappointed with settling with a single GPU laptop? I think the Sager NP 9280 will outperform a dual GPU XPS 1730.
What do you guys think?

Budget is around $2500, and I know that Sager (Clevo) is going to release a SLI laptop with two 280m's, but I'm sure it will blow the budget out of the water.

I do wish Sager had a back lit keyboards for their laptops......

Thanks for any info..... pros, cons.

 

Oh my GOD...another wait