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    Official Coffee Lake Refresh Thread/BIOS for ALL Clevo Laptops - RTX CARDS NOW SUPPORTED

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by DaMafiaGamer, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. bennyg

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    Stock 92W power limit in custom BIOS limits the 9900k to ~4ghz (~4.25ghz with undervolt) under full non avx load. If you don't care about that extra ~20% performance at equivalent power under 100% load from the extra 2 cores, the LM-delid 6 core will be a few C cooler, and with OC, will hit the same ~5ghz speeds under low thread load, and thus will perform very similar in games.

    To get stock all core 4.7 turbo out of the 9900K you will need to mod the cooling to handle a sustained 130W. Its far from plug and play, be prepared to tinker with the settings.
     
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    Someone can explain me why i cant boot freedos on USB ( Dos made with rufus ) to update EC. restart, F7, usb selected and nothing happen. i dont understand :confused:
     
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    So, like I just prefer a plug and play experience, the best bet for me would be the 8700K isn't it? Is it a great upgrade from a 7700K for gaming and emulation wise? Is it any cooler than i7-7700k? Delidded CPU of course. @bennyg can you confirm this?

    I'll run it at stock speeds and undervolting to maintain lower temps if possible.
     
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  4. Prostar Computer

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    Are they .BAT or .NSH files? .BAT requires UEFI to be disabled.
     
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    i have a p775dm3 with 9900k i can't run in 4.6Ghz the processor is very hot in game with my GTX 1080 i have 90C and but i dont have Throttle.
    SRY for my English beaucuse im french
     
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    it's the file provided by Dsanke page 4. So it is a bat file.
    i m running 9700k into a p870kmg and gsync working with me also
     
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  7. DARCODER

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    So i got a little problem, i succeed to instal last EC, then i instal cc2.0 i wanted to overclock my ram to xmp1 ( like i was using with my 7700k to run ram at 3000mhz) but at reboot balckscreen. I tried removing cmos but still black screen. Is my ram dead or this xmp profile is still saved?
    it work back.. but 3000mgh oc like it was with 7700k no possible, very weird
     
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  8. Meaker@Sager

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    Try using slot 1 and 4 together.
     
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    it's ok it worked^^, i did it from bios. i guess i wasn't waiting 10sec to initialize...
    i also delid my 9700k with grizzly conductaunaut ( it was pain to remove intel **** thermal..was removing with cutter ) now idle 38 instead of 52.
     
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  10. Rahego

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    Great results. I wonder if it's caused by delid itself or mby also by copper IHS (is it bitsomething one?)

    If it would be delid only - i might think about it. 9700k is still cooler than 7700k delided but if it can be even cooler. Why not try? :)

    For me 39C idle with -125 uV. With 100% load it reaches 90C at full fan speed on 4.7ghz for all cores.

    Could you share ur results at 100% load and same cloak speeds?
     
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  11. MrClippy

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    If you have a delidded 7700K, I don't think a delidded 8700K would be that much cooler unless you win the silicon lottery and undervolt the ever-loving watts out of it. At stock, no matter how many plus there is to the 14nm+++, it's still 2 more cores and will be pushing out more heat. For gaming, the 8700K would see some gains but will definitely be better future proofing compared to the 7700K. I'm not sure about emulation, but if it's like VMs, the 9900K would definitely be better.

    I'd only advocate a 9900K for developers/video editors and others that would greatly benefit from more cores. Even when limited at 4.5 - 4.6 Ghz all turbo, the 9th gen CPU will beat an AMD equivalent in multicore workloads, and if you tinker enough in dsanke's awesome feature-filled BIOS, you can hit 5.0Ghz easily for up to 4 cores with undervolting making mixed workloads very feasible without setting on fire (I could never hit 4-core 5.0 Ghz on my 7700K delidded, but a 9900K can? RNG is not fun). Need to compile code while baking lighting in whatever render or engine you're working on? Easy. Switching gears to when it's idling, staring at a webpage, or visual studio, the CPU only draws around 8-12 watts so can be very power efficient (though this applies to the 8700K as well).

    But for the average gamers here, an 8700K will be more than enough for your needs. A 9900K would be a good future upgrade to look forward to once the price drops a good hundred bucks or so. Which if the past Intel CPUs are any indication, won't be for a good 3-5 years. Hell, the 6700K on the used market only started to drop down to being 100 bucks under the original price (around 200-250), and it's a 3-4 year old CPU. The overvaluation of intel CPUs really hearkens to how strong the Intel Mind share is (6700K is worth more than a 1700X & 1800X right now, only the 3770K is matching the 1st gen Ryzen's price), but I digress. Get the 8700K, it'll last you for a good while. And then 3 years later, maybe us software devs will stop being lazy and start making games and apps that don't use only a sinlge to handful of cores, so that having more cores for gaming makes sense and then you could get a 9900K cheaply (or somewhat cheaply around 300-400 maybe?) and that boost will get you through the next three or so years.
     
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  12. Tryner

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    Test with prime95
     
  13. Rahego

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  14. DaMafiaGamer

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    Images are down, I’m trying to recover them. I’ll be using imgur from now on as pasteboard doesn’t seem to be that reliable.

    Also, does anyone know what happened to @danishblunt lol.
     
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    seriously? what for?
     
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    Breaking the rules too many times when it came to toxicity, I assume.
     
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  18. DaMafiaGamer

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    I guess it was bound to happen, his opinions greatly differed to others in an ‘extreme’ way sometimes but I didn’t think he would get banned.

    I guess it’s for the better.
     
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    Here a bench of firestrike & ultra, also a cinebench. GPU stock, CPU: x46, core -100, cache -12, max 118W. As i told u by pm, i cant have a stable cache at more than -50mv otherwize random bsod.
    CPU reach 76 bcse of cinebench, while gaming or bench max 65.
    Capturettrrd.PNG
     
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    Hi @dsanke
    I have a question about my GTX1070 - is it possible to add proper GOP to MSI vBIOS? I used your tool to check GOP version and it says that I have to update GOP, but all vBIOSes you prepared are for Clevo cards.
    I pulled vBIOS from my card using "backup_vbios.bat" tool you provided, but it has 273kB instead of 253kB for Clevo card.
     
  21. joluke

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    Can anyone please help me with amazon links of which flasher is the best? I've seen so many and dunno which one comes with best clips to flash the BIOS and GPU? :(

    Or if isn't allowed to post here, can anyone be kind enough to send me a PM with the said links? I'd appreciate it

    Thanks in advance
     
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  22. dsanke

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    MSI cards seems do not need GOP update because they work well on both Clevo and MSI machines.
     
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  23. DaMafiaGamer

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    Sky pro and skypro only, it’s the most expensive but money gets you quality and loads of chips are supported, 8 pin and 16 pin chips...
    Flashing Bioses/Vbioses and removing bios password locks are easy, the software is easy to use too.

    Edit: don’t forget it’s updated regularly too.
     
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    Awesome! That's the info I needed :) thanks a bunch
     
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    no tl866II plus is ready for this chip
     
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    This one is enough for the job? https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07H59ZT6N/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_r9yDCb4GWARJS
     
  27. MadDoctor

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    Will this bios enable me to use a 7700k in an NP9870 or is it strictly a coffee lake update?
     
  28. joluke

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    As far as I know the 7700k is supported via official bios. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it is
     
  29. MadDoctor

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    Official as in Sager bios?
     
  30. joluke

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    Dunno about Sager. I think Clevo is. Maybe someone can clarify it
     
  31. clevo-extreme

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    Most of Sager Models is only rebranded CLEVO machines.

    Fastest Customizable Gaming Notebooks & Mobile Workstations | CLEVO System Integrator
     
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  32. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    7700k is supported via official bios if you have Z270 chipset.
     
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    How can I tell which chipset I have? I'd just like to say thank you to everyone who is helping me figure out how to mod my system. I'm a total newb when it comes to modifying a stock system.
     
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    Fire up CPU-Z then click mainboard tab. You find it there :)
     
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    Thank you. It looks like I have a Z170 so I guess i'll have to figure out how to flash the bios on this machine. I have done it before in a previous laptop. I'm just a little nervous on this one as I never had to have a flasher on hand just in case it bricks.
     
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    I see the skypro bios flasher is recommended. Does anyone have a model number for which one is the one that has the pomona clip on it?
     
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    9700k undervolted to -100mv 4.Ghz, Copper IHS delid myself without glue for more pressure, paste with conductonaut and kryonaut.
    Mod Heatsink with watercooling but i didnt test it even if i have the material. Very great temp. this mod heatsink give better result than stock heatsink.
    These temp was for a little pubg game session.
    53160477_355672018365560_6487835532704350208_n.jpg 53429885_265696491036491_4802430390830628864_n.jpg 53673278_251090795772494_4451562546641502208_n.jpg
     
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  40. DaMafiaGamer

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    Damn, if I wasn't selling my p870dm-g I'd get that heatsink too, seems to make a hell of a difference in temps. Good work!
     
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    well, to be frank, 4.0 ghz all cores, no HT and -100mV already does the trick. pretty low clocks for that cpu so i wouldnt expect anything else even at stock voltage :)

    not that im badmouthing @darcoders 's efforts, he did all the right steps! just that with those kinda mods he can easily take that cpu waaaay further clockswise.

    Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk
     
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    Lol 4.7 sorry, look pictures, i wrote too fast... xD
    And i didnt upload the right picture. Arf i will do a better and right tomorrow.
     
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    right, i shouldve checked more closely haha. that makes far more sense ;)
     
  44. DARCODER

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    My little setup 9700k at 4.7ghz but only -45mv, cpu is near 47*c while playing for 1h.
    53688843_342984083225974_4323140456100659200_n.jpg
     
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    Where did you get this CPU heatsink? I know I saw it somewhere (taobao?) but I can`t find it anymore.
    Is it plug and play for KM?
    How much temp difference do you see vs the stock one?

    I`m still considering using TM heatsink one but maybe this is a better option (no case/heatsink mod required).
     
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    You have to cut the barebone so the fixing cooling part system can go out. With a dremel job is done in 30s.
    Then i fix with my screws so big more compression.
    The heatsink is very thick:
    Meaning in short time is exellent and idle is perfect fan turn 0rpm at 40 for long period. Gaming will increase with time you will reach 74. This can be explain by thickness and because inside the circuit near the core obviously it is empty zone for the water to circule so we loose transfer speed.
    BUT with watercooling activated, depending what kind of watercooling system also.., with mine little homemade, idle is 34 with fan at 0, and gaming with fan max speed is max 48. If i remember it was average of 45.

    All this data is at 4.6Ghz stable at -110mv and iccMax 145a for 130w.
    Stock HS with -100mv unstable 4.6 i had 62-66 while gaming. Idle was 49-50.

    I baught from taobao right, the sellor speek english if needed to ask. I will ask him a special for rtx if i see upgrade can be easy and if i understand how to integrade rtx id into nvdgpudxe bios to avoid .inf mod driver
     
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    Purchased the 8700k for my P775DM3-G! Any benchmarks that anyone wants to see when i get it? bought 3DMark so if anyone is curious about it let me know and i'll test it as soon as i receive my machine from Obsidian-PC (John will help me flash the BIOS and vBios) :)
     
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    My P870DM3 with i7-8700K installed 3DMark results:
    https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18650570
     
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    Hi folks what can be done about Power Limit and Current Limit throttling?
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