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    Razer Blade 15 RTX update

    Discussion in 'Razer' started by Joikansai, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. Mahalaleel

    Mahalaleel Newbie

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    There are three different modes, but whichever maximum I choose (144hz or 60hz) is applied to all three modes. I would like it to run at max 60hz on battery, and swap to balanced settings. When I start a game, I would like it to go up to 144hz without me having to pull up the software again to reset the maximum.

    Or does it already do this automatically?
     
  2. Joikansai

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    No you’ve to manually change it, there’s no automatic display refresh rate switch technology yet, for performance mode there’s already azure Ai from intel that is used on some Gigabyte laptop but it’s not optimized yet and still better tweaking manually. For now automatically change feature on optimus laptop only for gpu between intel gpu and nvidia.
    It’s not too hassle change the refresh rate or manually switching performance or battery mode to max the battery life is it?
     
  3. Mahalaleel

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    That's what I suspected. I just expected something so obvious to be included in a laptop with such a nice build quality. Thank you!
     
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    Sign me up Scotty!
    I get my Blade on Monday and I have spent the better part of the day trying to find a sleeve.
    So I gotta buy a mouse mat to get the sleeve from it for my laptop? :)
    Nothing in stock in my area so what do I do with the sleeve? :(
     
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    I’ll ask a dude if they fix this, apparently according users 2018 15 advanced the original 15 sleeve is too big. It’s only workaround to get nice fitted sleeve, personally I like as well the battery inner color that match Blade green color, but kind weird too that I’ve to buy mouse mat lol. The dimension is similar with xps15 and MBP15 2016~ I believe so you can choose the one you like.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback. Will order the Intel 660p soon!

    Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk
     
  9. andysui

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    I'm wondering what the temp would be like w/ i9 CPU under medium workload. I‘m getting stable temp at around 80-85 on ultra high settings on games with custom-built cooler, if i9 can be tuned at around 85-90, I think it shouldn't be too bad?
     
  10. rinneh

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    The i7 8th gen in the current RTX models can reach up to 90c in a 23c room according to my testing with the high performance GPU profile on by the way so both are stressed. The CPU is using about 45watt during gaming. The i9 versions are known to use a solid 90watt and sometimes even more when fully boosting. So I doubt they can keep it cool without throttling it.
     
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  11. jace888au

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    hey guys, I have the 2070 Max Q blade 15 (i7-8750h) and am wondering if I should get a Razer Core to use with my old 1080 Ti FE, or if there's even any point in using it given the performance in the 2070 Max Q. Does anyone have a view on this (taking into account the performance degredation from using an eGPU).
     
  12. Joikansai

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    Gtx model on gaming mode cpu demanding titles like far cry, Assassin Creed etc 100% will hit high 90ish (no Core amplifier limitation), I think repasting would also not help much. Idk if I set back OC value to 0, not tested yet (on gtx model gaming mode would automatically OC the gpu by Core 100/ memory 300, beside bump tdp to 45 and limiting it around that wattage on long running).
     
  13. rinneh

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    From what I saw from other users, repasting doesnt do much, Razer seem to use decent paste, and the core temperatures are all close to eachother, indicating that the pressure is even as well. So I agree with you that it probably would be useless to repaste. Maybe just after a year to refresh the paste and clean the fans etc.
     
  14. Joikansai

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    Yes i used to that yearly but this one got really dirty on 10 months, I saw a bit cores difference saw inside it was bad dusted. Clean it it’s fine again, but still on far cry can’t use gaming mode even balanced it’s occasionally hit 90. I don’t lower the core clocks though in this 11 months, kind want the best performance and stress it more within 2 years EU Guarantee period and see how this can hold by playing in dangerous areas lol :)
     
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    I did a bit of googling last week and found this sleeve from Amazon was highly recommended, so I bought it. Fits very nicely and has nice cushioning just in case of accidental drops/bumps.
    https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B07K891RZB/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A10IGYAT87NQ7M&th=1
    I got the gray one.
     
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    I got the blue one. The power brick is too big to be able to do the zip up on the front pouch.

    That's the same frequency as the stock RAM so there won't be any real performance gains.

    I got this kit: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017UC42TA
    This is the more popular kit because it has a lower latency: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NAL3TYY
    Also, this is even cheaper: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BGZEVHU

    It's not the best practice to buy separate DIMM kits. Always buy the pairs.
     
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  18. rinneh

    rinneh Notebook Prophet

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    90c still should be okay. I never saw an Intel CPU die, those are pretty well made, As long if the PCH isnt that hot, the GPU etc we should be fine I think.

    I do think the fan nosie on the razers is kinda conservative. If I select max fanspeeds, the CPU on the RTX version doesnt cross 85c and the GPU stays at a nice 70c. On high performance mode, my GPU can reach 76c with the normal fan profile.
     
  19. Joikansai

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    Yes rtx model has better cooling, fans rpm can go higher, Gtx model only max 5000rpm. PCH isn’t matter it’s cooled by pad unlike some notebook. GPU isn’t a deal in my experience with Blade laptop, last 14 1060 was max 79, now 1070maxq is even lower around yours, cpu that’s badass.
     
  20. Wishmaker

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    Been using it for two hours, we are not yet friends . Moving from my Huntsman Elite to the laptop keyboard is painful. Comparing it to my MacBook Pro and other laptops I would accept it as an okay but I am not convinced on the feel.

    Also who did such a short shift key for the UK version ? So I got an arrow between my long right shift key and the first / and ? Yet on the left side I have a tiny shift key which I can hardly control.

    I guess it is a matter of getting used too this but so far I am not loving this keyboard.

    Regarding everything else, too early to say but I am loving it. Feels a bit warm on the touch while I install things. I guess I need to read on undervolting.


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    Jayztwocents Desktop users perspective, about 8750H 2070maxq Blade 15
     
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  22. Wishmaker

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    Another package from Amazon [​IMG]
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    You really did that :notworthy:
     
  24. Wishmaker

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    Yes. I wanted something to protect the laptop.
    I will admit I would have preferred a nice leather sleeve because this one makes it very large and boxy. It does fit in my Samsonite back pack but it makes it very rectangular.

    I still can’t get used to how heavy this laptop is and I am not particularly impressed how warm it gets. 10 minutes of MK11 and the CPU is at 85 centigrade. I would not want to spend hours and hours benching to under volt. I also saw that Intel’s tool does not allow me to go on - with the voltage.

    [​IMG]



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  25. battousai10k

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    How hard is it to transfer the OS onto a new NVMe? Let’s say if you get the 256 but want to upgrade to 1TB on your own.
     
  26. Joikansai

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    Interesting, do you mean xtu like this?
    E19182D7-AF4F-4F97-A0E9-7859229CDE50.jpeg
    Do you mean windows clean installation, macrium all I needed, drivers is from Razer website. But you can use make recovery drive from windows and put it on your usb and get Razer oem windows and Synapse the Original software installed.
     
  27. battousai10k

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    Yup was wondering about clean install. There wouldn’t be any issue reactivating windows right?
     
  28. Joikansai

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    Yes it’s sticked somewhere in the bios on every Blade laptops, clean install and you’re good. I think you won’t be asked anymore on nowadays laptops even budget Mi laptops was also same.
     
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  29. Wishmaker

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    I don’t have the option to choose negative values. Maybe I am not activating the right things.


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  30. struselix

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    Someone knows s.th. new about the BIOS update problems?
     
  31. Wishmaker

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    I updated to 1.04 without any issue. I did notice that when I start my laptop now, the fans ramp up like an F18. With 1.03 they were not ramping up as often.
     
  32. rinneh

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    I just updated the bios with the exe files on the website, First did the bios, then EC after that the Intel ME stuff.
     
  33. Driftingnfsc3

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    I have a question for the owners of the blade 15 with rtx and the 8750h, running BIOS version 1.04. Those of you who have an undervolt, can you guys tell me your undervolt and what clock speeds you guys are getting when the laptop throttles to 45W during a cinebench r15 run?

    Almost every review that i have seen states they get 3.6GHz at 45W package power with an undervolt of around -140mV.

    My 4k blade 15 with rtx 2070 reaches a clock of 3.25GHz when the 45W limit kicks in during a cinebench run. Im running a -145mV offset on the 8750h. It seems odd that i am getting 350MHz less than everyone else. However, it doesn't end there. On the older gtx 1070 version of this laptop, MSI GS75 and a lenovo thinkpad x1 extreme (this one had an 8850h), i was able to hit 3.6GHz, 3.5GHz and 3.7GHz respectively, at 45W during stress tests (multiple cinebench runs, prime95).

    What i want to confirm is, did i get a really bad chip, or is the latest bios version doing something weird with the power draw of the cpu. When i play anthem, the cpu will hit 94 degrees c on a notebook cooler with the fan maxed out, and undervolt applied. This makes me think i just have a poor quality cpu that takes approx 10W more power to keep the same clocks that everyone else is getting.
     
  34. Wishmaker

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    These are my settings. We have the same machine with the same BIOS.
    My machine climbs up to 3600 MHz in Cinebench R20.

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  35. rinneh

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    How are your ambient temps, that is a very important factor.
     
  36. Driftingnfsc3

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    forgot to add the values. 23 degrees c, sometimes goes to 22 degrees c. that said, i know it is not a paste issue, because the temps transition smoothly. they do not instantly increase to 94 degrees c. when running cinebench only, the temps will hit 80 degrees when turbo boosted, and then gradually fall down to 70 degrees once the 45W limit kicks in. the extra power my copy of the 8750h needs is adding unnecessary load to the heatsink, making everything run hotter, especially when gaming, where the 45W limit is reached more often with my 8750h than others.

    thank you for posting. i see you limited your clocks to 3.6GHz. just wanted to confirm, is that where you hit 45W package power?
    its looking like i just have a bad cpu. i will await more replies from others before exchanging it.
     
  37. rinneh

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    A too high undervolt can cause a limit on your max clockspeeds, 45watt package power doesnt say everything because in Prime95 it will reach 45watt with far lower clockspeeds than any videogame out there.
     
  38. Driftingnfsc3

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    i should've probably added more information. i am well aware that too high of an undervolt can result in no improvements over a smaller undervolt, if not make the processor consume more power. during my undervolting process, i observe the power draw when running my stress tests, to see where i reach a point of diminishing returns, and then i lower the undervolt amount by adding 5mV to the resulting offset for increased stability. in otherwords, lowering my overvolt from -145mV to any value lower results in more power consumption in turbo and lower clock speed when running at 45W. my cpu has been able to successfully run prime 95 with a -165mV offset for 30 minutes, but it provides me such marginal improvements over -145mV. Not to mention that on idle it crashes instantly with the -165mV offset.

    i am also well aware that prime95 is a worse case scenario. but cinebench isn't and anthem eats the cpu almost as hard as cinebench. i am seeing my processor consistently pegged at 45W when i play anthem on gaming mode. the only reason i asked people if they could give me they're power draw from cinebench is because 1) its accessible and free and 2) it's giving me the closest values to what i get in anthem in terms of power draw and resulting clock speed (i get 3.3GHz in anthem when i am not in a menu and 45W limit is reached). I am personally getting some stutter in games like anthem that rely so heavily on the cpu. There are quite a few games out there that reviewers do not review that i enjoy playing, and most of them end up being cpu intensive (anthem, destiny 2 albeit not as intensive and planetside 2 are just some examples)

    i just want to know how common it is to get a processor like mine, and if my processor is really as bad as it gets. if it is just a one off situation, i am just going to get it replaced. if these poor quality chips are more prevalent with the release of 9th gen chips displacing the high quality 8th gen ones, then i will wait for the 4k OLED blade to come out.
     
  39. rinneh

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    145mv offset is quite good to be honest if your CPU can run at that steadily because mine is between 115mv~125mv stable. I havent monitored the CPU clockpseeds in Anthem, uninstalled the game because it was kinda crap. In BF5 the CPU clocks are mostly around 3.4ghz with my undervolt and configuration. Temepratures around 85c max with the 2070MQ running full throttle.
     
  40. Joikansai

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    Try balanced mode Anthem was not quite optimized titles, 45 watt means you’re running on gaming mode I assume. I’d limit the tdp on 25 watt with balanced mode, even on this balanced mode I’m hitting low 90ish on 8750H RBA 2018 (1070maxq), no thermal throttling though but quite stress the cpu like Far cry 5 and shadow of the tomb Raider (I avoid gaming mode on those titles), maybe you should limiting core amplifier like @Wishmaker does if you want gaming mode on this title (I didn’t do that when playing Anthem), or try repasting cpu with better compound.
     
  41. Driftingnfsc3

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    I've been enjoying anthem a lot personally :p is it grindy? just a bit, not nearly as much as other games. if anything, it is on the lower side of the grind. with the right build, it gives me the feeling that im powerful which i like XD

    that said, your results confuse me, since you have a less aggressive undervolt, your clock speed is higher than what i am getting, yet your temperature is lower. i can only assume the 4k screen on my unit might be hogging a lot more power than i though from the intel graphics, in turn eating away at the available package power.

    lowering the tdp increases the stutter a lot, as clock speed gets too low. also, i had a 1070maxq blade before (albeit the 1080p 144Hz model), and i was able to keep the temps below 88 degrees c at all times on gaming mode, without a laptop cooler, playing destiny 2, planetside 2... even running prime95+furmark. all this with a constant 3.6GHz on the cpu. my undervolt was the same -145mV with that unit back then (returned it in december 2018 because i got the BOE panel on my blade, instead of the LG panel... the strobing caused by the low frequency [est 240Hz] PWM backlight drove me insane).

    EDIT: im going to try undervolting the iGPU to see if i get any improvement.

    EDIT2: no change with -80mV on iGPU as i expected. iGPU isn't being stressed that much.

    EDIT3: rinneh, what kind of clocks are you getting when you do a cinebench run, and hit the 45W limit?
     
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    Maybe because I played on g sync monitor I didn’t feel any stutter but was not smooth since it was on 1440p on around 40fps ultra, but core clock always hits 3,9, wait maybe I’ve some screenshot. You don’t have to undervolting iGPU i use mostly xtu (due egpu setting) even when using TS to undervolte only Core and Cache, there’s no difference undervolting iGPU so far i experienced.
     

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    Well after reading countless reviews and debating the Razer Blade 15, GS75, GIgabyte, Triton or Asus Rog (Various)....

    I now have a Razer Blade 15 (9750h, 2070 MaxQ, 256GB, 240hz display) sat at home waiting for me after being delivered today. Also a Corsair 2TB MP510 NVME to upgrade it.

    It had the right balance for me. Fantastic performance, solid build, lower temps than average, quiet and subtle enough that i can use it in work.

    Looking forward to it! I've got a new job which i'm starting soon which will mean renting a property and living away from my wife and kids Sunday - Thursday. Have a very powerful desktop gaming PC but always used a Macbook Pro as my laptop. Decided i wanted a gaming laptop for while i'm away.
     
  46. Driftingnfsc3

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    i got my hands on a razer blade 15 with the OLED screen. here is a pwm test i did for you folks that have sensitive eyesight
     
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    Given how the units have been creeping upwards in thickness at nearly every refresh, might as well devote some of that to a nicer KB.
     
  49. rinneh

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    Rather with better cooling and battery cells so that they dont bloat up after a year or 2 and ruin the whole chassis.
     
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    Any way to prevent or delay the batteries from bloating up? Is the 2070 max on your razer have good performance vs a 1070 max q? Last question if you can answer, what is your fps for apex legends on all high and all low if you can spare those details?
     
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