HP Announces New Laptops for 2009

Yes...run and hide before this guy comes after you!

 

Actually, in my opinion, the Envy 13 isn't better than the MBP 13". The MBP 13" has the stronger CPU and also gets over 6 hours battery life.

It's the Envy 15" that blows away the 15 " MBP. (again in my opinion )

 

The Vaio TT also weighs under 3 lbs... the Envy 15 gets that 7 hours of battery life by weighing twice that much.

The i7 processors actually are good at managing power draw for basic tasks. For stressing tasks, they will kick it up a notch and suck alot of juice- but they are supposed to be very good at idling unused cores when its possible to do so.

 

Best Buy SKUs for the ENVY line have shown up in their system. There will be 3 models. One 13 and two 15s.

13: $1899
15: $1999
15: $2499

I do not know if these are true prices, or just "place filler" pricing, as early details sometimes have been for Best Buy SKUs. The second 15 is most probably the "Beats by Dr. Dre" edition, as it was an 15SE.

 

Can you post the site where you found this leak?

 

Those look real to me.

 

No leak. I was in a BestBuy, checking inventory of current models, and figured I would have them see if any ENVY models showed up in their system. All three showed up with product SKUs and a simple spec. description in their inventory system.

 

Sweet. Might have to stop by my local BB!

 

Nice, so close to be available!!
:drool:

 

Haha no that wasn't quite my intention. Mostly so I could go a couple of days without charging, and get a little light gaming (and work...) done in the library.

I actually just looked up the MBP 13 for the first time, and it's specs aren't bad. I think NBR should do a comparison of the Envy 13 and MBP 13 after their review.

 

Assuming you don't care either way Windows 7 vs Mac OSX (which I would be really surprised to hear), this is pretty much how it breaks down:

MBP Weight: 4.5 lbs
HP Envy 13 Weight: 3.74 lbs (likely more than 4 lbs with battery slice)
Edge: HP Envy 13

MBP Battery Life: ~7 hrs
HP Envy 13 Battery life: Advertised up to 18 hours with 'battery slice'.
Edge: HP Envy 13

Performance differences: HP Envy 13 uses a 1.86 GHz LV processor, the MBP uses normal Core 2 Duos. While real life performance shouldn't be affected, the MBP technically has the better performing CPU. They both have the same options for RAM customization, and the ATI 4330 is only slightly better than the ION graphics inside the MBP 13.
Edge: Tie

Features: The screen on the MBP 13 is very nice, and the HP Envy 13 has already been said to be almost as good. The MBP 13 goes with mini-displayport, which irks alot of non-Mac users. The Envy 13 will have HDMI. The MBP 13 also has a built in optical drive, which the Envy 13 lacks.
Edge: MBP 13

Pricing has yet to be confirmed for the HP Envy 13, but it is said to be starting at a hefty $1700. This should be with an included optical drive, but no word on what the base specs will be yet. The battery slice is no doubt going to cost extra, meaning it could easily tip $1800 with tax. Meanwhile, a top of the line MBP 13 configuration is going for $1500 directly from Apple.

 

I'm going to make a prediction, the dm3 is going to sell like CRAZY

This sounds like the MB, at 1/2 the cost with double the batterylife about the same weight minus a disk drive... this is going to sell in huge quanities... so now when is the dm4/5/6/7 coming? I'd be very interested in these as well.

 

Envy 13" vs. MBP 13"
My thoughts:
-Batterylife:W/o battery slice MBP wins. With battery slice the HP wins.
-CPU: 1.86 GHz vs. 2.53 GHz. MBP wins hands down.
-GPU: HD4330 beats 9400 in every game or benchmark. It also has dedicated memory so it doesn't take memory from the main memory. HP wins hands down.
-Screen: MBP is around 240 cd/m bright. HP promises 400 cd/m. For outside work the MBP 13 is totally not suited, while the Envy 13 promises to be suited. Envy wins.

 

I think they are comparing it to the MBA(at least that would be a little better of a comparison), as they both have the intel SL cpu, and are sans optical drive. Then again the ATI 4330 is better than nvidia 9400 last I heard.

 

The comparison with the MBA makes sense except for the weight.

And yes 4330 beats 9400. But both are in the same performance class.

 

True, I personally think that both are a bit heavy for a device that thin that don't include optical drive. Still I would that would be more fair comparison.

 

More info. DV3 gets a touchscreen.

 

Does anyone know what the delay time usually is for a HP to be released in Australia? The envy 15" looks fantastic, although I don't think I will be able to wait long enough for it to be released.

 

Engadget has HP's leaked Winter 2009 / 2010 catalog

The Envy 13 mentions the additional 6 cell battery slice is included. EDIT: Does mention having the optical drive included.

The Envy 15 doesn't mention having the battery slice included. Also doesn't mention having the optical drive included either.
Says only 2 RAM slots are user accessible. I assume that is just meant for a typical user, but anyone else heard anything on this?
It also mentions "UP TO 500GB HDD or UP TO 320 GB HDD and 160GB SSD". Does that mean, between the two HDD slots, that we can only have a total of 500GB between the two of them?
What the heck is a UV painted keyboard btw? So instead of a backlit keyboard, we get glow in the dark keys?

 

anyone know what GPUs the DM3 will come with? It says ATI and Nvidia...

 

I've really taken a liking to the wallpaper on the Envy 13. Really warm and classy. I wonder if it's possible to find that wallpaper for my Dell 11z once I get it.

 

Yeah I agree, the price is very good.
I'm certainly considering buying a dm3.

 

It actually says ODD included.

 

Noticed that after I posted it. Thought I updated the post but guess it didnt save it. Thanks either way

 

IIRC. ATI is 3200HD or 4200HD and 4330HD, in switchable IF you get a Turion Neo.
NVIDIA is a similar one, I am assuming a G110M or something around that performance. In power, a renamed 9300M GS and slightly overclocked (lol) IF you get Intel.

With AMD you get switchable for 100 less. IMO the winner.

 

Based on dutch product listings: ATI 3200 with Neo X and Nvidia G105M with SU4100. Lower SU2300 will have Intel 4500.

 

Great news about the battery slice being included on the 13, that's definitely a plus.

I'm think UV painted keyboards offer some kind of bacteria prevention. But I could be wrong, maybe it's just glow in the dark

 

It looks like linux could be optional. http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/29/hp-envy-15-fcc-filing-reveals-magnesium-casing-linux-options/

 

Definitely not anti-bacterial. Bacteria thrive quite well in UV light, its enveloped viruses that break down under UV radiation (like HIV). Furthermore, I believe 'UV paint' is referring to the fact that the paint reacts to UV radiation (light) to produce a glow or color- obviously the paint itself couldn't actually emit UV light for any sanitary purposes.

I think this is pretty much a fancy name for a glow in the dark keyboard

 

I hope its something better than the 3200. Even the DV2 as the 3410 which has better performance. I pray for 4330

Technically tho,I guess I wish for the Intel to be paired with the 4330,seems like you get the best of both worlds there, tho its no deal breaker for me. I would just want what has the best GPU for a cheap price in a small form factor

 

Agreed. I wonder how well it would wear over time.

 

You may get lucky, the dutch site Tweakers is saying a 4330 option will become available.

 

I am almost certain I read switchable if AMD/ATI, since the chipset is from ATI carrying the 3200HD (seems like the 4200HD was a dead end after all) and a GPU stuck there, so you get switchable. Not done with Intel, since ATI chipsets dont support Intel.

 

Well, according to the Gizmodo review (under the INTERNAL POWER section) of the Envy 13, the external Blu-ray optical drive is available for $250. The CNET review (near the bottom of the first page) says that the external drive options include a standard DVD burner for $100 and blu ray player/DVD burder is $250 as well.

In the same INTERNAL POWER section, in the Gizmodo review, just a bit further down, the review also states:

In the CNET review 2nd page, also states the battery slice is optional:

So, according to these reviews, the battery slice and ODD are not included which contradicts what Engadget's leaked HP winter catalog says.

 

Gizmodo Envy 13 Review

 

Interesting review...

Its one of the first times I've seen a MBP "alternative" come out more expensive than the MBP itself. It has the style some probably wanted from the Studio 14z, but without the affordability.

 

Could anyone speculate what the 4330 would do to battery life...percentage wise as compared to the GMA4500 or Radeon 3200? 75% 50% Less?

 

Usually, for a mid-range GPU, you could be talking anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours less. It also depends not just on having the GPU activated, but how much work is it doing? If you are just doing normal tasks with the GPU on, then you are going to be closer to the 30-45 minutes battery life loss. If you are stressing the GPU by gaming, you will be closer to the 1-1.5 hour battery life loss.

 

Laptopmag Envy 13 Review

 

Any idea what video card options the dm1 might have? Last time I posted here, I just got my MacBook Pro. Nice to see that I've come full circle back to Windows again (conveniently skipping Vista, haha).

 

DM1 will probably only offer the GMA 4500.

 

I still have high hopes for these machines, If they shape up to what they appear to look like, I may replace me Thinkpad. if not, I'll order some new batteries...

 

I think the new chipset carries an improved version of the GMA4500, 5 series, or is that with Arrandale?

The price tag is too high for my liking, considering Dell is selling them for around 1K (60-70% less), but they are not as hot as this one lol

 

There are no new chipsets with integrated graphics since Arrandale has the GPU built into the CPU die. If the notebooks uses the CULV chips, it will have the 4500MHD.

 

After seeing some live video of the Envy i gotta say, it is the real deal.

I cant wait till i can see/touch it for myself.

 

That's what I read too. SU2300 + Intel 4500.

Someone was saying there will be an ATI option too, but I have not seen that mentioned on any website.

The model going on sale here is HP Pavilion dm1-1020ed DCSU2300 2GB 320GB - Intel GMA 4500 - Priced at around € 480. Should be around $500 in US.

 

I have only heard of GPU on the DM3 with either ATI or NVIDIA and AMD or Intel.

Oh I reasd somewhere about intel gma 5 series

 

That makes me sad. I am anti-Intel graphics. And for some reason the dm3 looks a lot bulkier than the dm1. I really wanted something with a smaller screen to get a higher DPI.

Sigh. =/

However, for some reason, the leaked circular on engadget says there will "optional discrete graphics on the dm1 series.": http://www.engadget.com/photos/hps-leaked-winter-2009-2010-catalog/2323309/

My guess is that it'll only be a CTO option.

 

Well I wouldn't be surprised if it was the ATI solution the other guy was talking about. I can't find his post though.

Edit: I read it on a dutch forum, he says ATI HD 2300, but he forgot where he read it.

 

HD 2300,is that a typo phil?