***The Official MSI GT 70 w/GTX-680M Owner?s Lounge***

*Looks at the picture provided by Cloudfire*

No son, it is not throttling. That is the Sun's inner layers. Damm if you can't keep your temps under control, don't OC!

Back to reality, yeah, throttling would be lowering clocks every time temps reach a max allowed. Mine throttles down at 93C so you are probably throttling at 92 which is why you never see higher temps. Check for dust in fans, and maybe reapply paste. Make sure you are using stock vbios and not overvolted ones, gotta get temps under control before OCing!

 

Not mine though

 

Anyone else experience intermittent slowdown / fps drop while gaming? Usually, it will only happen for maybe 5 seconds, then go smoothly, then happen again, repeat.

Edit: I wonder if this may have to do with the latest NVIDIA beta drivers (310.70)....

 

Okay, I'm not OC'ing anything, I'm just running everything as is, stock vbios, but my temps still reach 92C. My GPU usage does look similar to the pic Cloudfire posted, so this must be because my temps are so high right? So if the system only throttles when the temps reach 92C, then if I can fix my overheating issue (hopefully by re-pasting) and get my temps back to normal, the throttling should theoretically go away? I'm not too familiar with what exactly throttling is, I've just been hearing of people here having some issues with it. Learning is fun! But taking my system apart to re-paste is even more fun

 

Ah man! Things just keep getting stranger and stranger!

Okay so I re-pasted my card and it seems to run cooler now. It now idles at 50C instead of 56, and stays a little cooler in games, up until this happens....




Anybody know what this means? Basically while gaming, within 15 minutes, I'll hit a spot where my frame rate out of nowhere drops to 15, the power to my AC shuts off, and everything goes to hell. Everything is running smoothly and running cool, then out of nowhere it just dies. My temps were averaging 75 before they suddenly spike to 90C and the card and AC power shuts off. I don't know which happens first though, if its the temps spiking, then the AC dies, or if the spike in temp is a result of AC death and frame rate drop. What's going on here?!

It did it here as well.


One thing I did notice is the frame rate dropped before the AC indicator light shut down. I think its worth mentioning as well that I'm running completely stock, and all drivers are current. No betas, no mods. I've been monitoring frame rate with FRAPS. And I have not been able to successfully complete a 3D Mark11 test for a few days now. I just keep getting errors.

 

I had the same problem. It seemed to have resolved itself though. Either that or I'm just not noticing it anymore.

Here is the thread I started about it:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/697491-not-impressed-680m.html

 

The GPU is indeed throttling, there seems to be some serious overheating in a way. It is not damaging the GPU thanks to throttling, but it is not allowing you to fully use your GPU.

Something is wrong with the cooling it seems. You will have to check to repaste again, verify your fan is properly working, nothing is blocking air intake and outake, and maybe even replace the thermalpads.

I have been using the beta drivers and my max temps while gaming are on the 81-2 range, never more, and this is overclocked.

 

Yes as you hit 90C your core clock drops, your usage goes to 100% (because your clocks are now much lower), but your temps don't bounce back like they should, strange.

 

This screenshot does not make sense. Either that or its not the temperature that is causing the throttling. Its already throttling like crazy around 40C

 

If you are referring to the gpu usage graph, its always looked like that. I never get straight lines unless im at 100 percent usage. I suppose ill try repasting again although im absolutely positive my repaste this time was even better than my last one. my temps should not so unstable.

 

Hey guys, newbie here just with a very quick question that surprisingly isn't answered despite the fact it is a gaming laptop. What headset should I be looking at: Digital (usb) or Analog (standard 3.5mm jacks) ?
I can't seem to find the name of the soundcard or anything past the built in speakers. I would like to think with all the focus on quality audio in the GT70 that there would be a good sound card to boot. Friends recommend analog if it's compatible and I'm kinda new to the whole PC gaming thing so any recommendations for good quality gaming headsets would be very appreciated.

 

Hi iv just bought a msi ms 1762 barebone (gt 70) iv just fitted 2 ocz octane 3 drives and trying to set them in raid 0 but when ever I do it it fails. I did get one message appear saying not enough space available. Has anyone got any ideas why I cant do this? Thank you.

 

Has anyone had any issues with the audio jack for headphones? I get a low static when I have my headphones plugged in.

 

Does anyboby know the difference between Win7 and Win8 VBIOS of 680M?
I thought that it's not releated to any OS, just as a simple laptop component shouldn't have any OS-relared stuff in it, like different VBIOS for a particular Windows version.

 

no such problem on my gt70 0ne- sound is excellent through headphones or out to my surround sound system. I assume you've tried other headphones?

 

Me too...Mine works just find..Sounds great..

 

Even on my non gold plated barebone the jacks give out crystal clear sound. It may be your cable on your headphones is damaged.

 

YES right here!

My findings, use a jack closer to the edge = less static.

Tested on multiple headphones and wires / speakers - same static.

Another option, USB wireless /wired headphones -no static ...proved it's the onboard sound.

Question for you: Are you running super raid with additional storage drive? (my secondary drive is a hybrid ssd/platter drive). Stock screen?

Something is bleeding, and it changes frequency / intensity with the image on the screen.

I'm annoyed...but not enough to RMA I don't want to be without my machine.

(and I have had other annoyances to the same degree - crackly keyboard on heat up / defective hinge covers)

 

When you flash the vbios you flash the memory on the 680M and it will stay on your GPU forever. Do whatever you want with your HDD/SSD (like switching OS), it won`t touch your vbios. So your vbios does not care about if you are using Win8 or Win7.

 

Hello. I buy GT70 0NE and I have one question. If it only one SATA3 port ? I ask because I have one Samsung 840 Pro and one Intel 520 SSD. Samsung 840 working as sata 3 but intel 520 only sata 2. Any ideas?
Sorry for my little english.
Thanks for any answers.

 

Hey Osti.

You can`t use any of your SSDs on SATA3 with GT70 0NE. You have 1 normal slot for your SSDs, its only SATA2. So if you choose your Samsung 840 there you can`t use your Intel 520.

Reason? MSI have used both SATA3 slots you normally would have on the Raid0 card. So if you want SATA3 you will have to get mSATA SSDs to plug in the Raid0 card. Or you could ask your reseller to ship you a normal SATA3 PCB you switch out with the raid0 card.
Then you will have 1 SATA3 slot and 1 SATA2 port for your normal SSDs

 

Thanks Cloudfire

 

Could you check the first post of this thread?
You can see that -=$tR|k3r=- mentioned there two different VBIOS versions which can be downloaded from GenTech PC Forum site:
"MSI GT60/GT70 GTX-680M VBIOS (WIN 7 models)
MSI GT60/GT70 GTX-680M VBIOS (WIN 8 models)"

And that's why I'm wondering what is the difference between them.

Update: compared both files. There is no difference between them.
-=$tR|k3r=-, Could you update your first post. You can provide just one link to any VBIOS file. They are the same.
Also my 0NE came with Hitachi Travelstar 7K750 (HTS727575A9E)
HDDs are mentioned in "GT70 0NE Factory 'Stock' Hardware Info" section of your post.

 

Hey guys im new to this forum and im not sure where to post this. but anw any help would be appreciated.
I recently bought an MSI GT70 with gtx680m i7-3840 processor and 16gd ddr3 corsairs at 1866mhz.
the thing is my gtx keeps acting up, I ran the 3Dmark11 benchmark and i get at most 4900 while i should get 5900. my graphics score is always low.
I also did the 3D vantage test and one time i got 20900 which is good then it fell down, last time i did it i got 14000 with a low graphics socre for this gpu.
I have the latest drivers from nvidia and the lastest drivers from intel and im forcing the programs to run the gtx and im on high performance profile.
so please if anyone can help me out it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Hey Joe.
Question: What scores are you getting? Are you referring to P4900 (overall score) or just the graphic score? The reason why I`m asking is because your CPU (Physics score) could be throttling and causing the overall score to go down and your GPU is not the problem. Or are you refering to the graphic score? If so then,

Run MSI afterburner and prtscr the graphs you see on the right after you have run 3DMark11 and post them here. It could be that your 680M is throttling and not running properly

I get 6150 in graphic score with mine in 3DMark11

Good job. :thumbsup: Yeah they should be 100% identical since the operative system have nothing to do with the vbios.

 

Sounds like nvidia Optimus is using the Intel graphics. Go into your nvidia control panel and apply the nvidia gpu instead of auto.

 

Hey cloudfire, thanks for the reply. my nvidia card is really weird, it functions differently everytime. I did what you asked and here is a screenshot of the results.



These are the results of my latest 3Dmark11 tests. The afterburner data corresponds to this test. Also here is my gpuz information, I noticed that the CUDA and direct compute are not turned on.

 

Here are the results of my previous 3DMark11 tests.

If anymore results or images are needed please tell me and i will provide.
These are the results of my fourth test. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5287720 scores are as follow P2566 Graphics 2852 Physics 8782 Combined 913.
Its really odd whats going on here. Im not sure if its a software problem or hardware one.
Thanks in advance to all of you!

 

Here are the results of 4 more test done consecutively.
First test : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3840QM,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-1762 score: P6115 3DMarks

Second test: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3840QM,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-1762 score: P4657 3DMarks

Third test: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3840QM,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-1762 score: P6127 3DMarks

Fourth test: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3840QM,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-1762 score: P5445 3DMarks

note that same conditions for all tests. msi afterburner is running in background along with google chrome.
notice that the results are inconsistent, the one most varying is the combined score. at times i run the combined test at 20fps or more sometimes at barrely 10fps.

 

Noticed you have the newest 310.70 installed.

Try installed a older WHQL. The new one is definitely weird, I just went back to the older WHQL. Also try running the MSi Afterburner Kombustor for a minute or two before running 3DMark

 

Update on my over heating issue. I found 2 solutions.

The first was issues with my paste. I was using the IC Diamond at first, but I just could not get the paste to spread or dot evenly since the stuff is so thick. It would always leave sections of the GPU chip uncovered by the paste. I ended up running out of the paste after about 5 failed attempts at getting a repaste that gave me good results. I made an emergency run over to Best Buy to grab some new thermal paste. I purchased the Antec Formula 7 paste. After repasting I saw immediate results. My card no longer over heated and shut off, and I no longer hit 90C during gaming and testing like I had been consistently for the past month. After repasting with the Antec, I burnt it in for several hours. My card no longer went past 86C on full load, whereas my IC Diamond would not stay below 92Cwhile gaming. Yes 86C still seems too high for our machines, which leads me to solution #2, altitude.

I went home to Salt Lake City for the holidays. While Ive been here in Salt Lake, my system has been running Skyrim on ultra at 76C, and never reaches even 80C anymore. My temps have been back to normal! Before I left, I played Skyrim and the temps topped at 86C while in Colorado. I normally reside in Fort Collins CO. The elevation there is 5000ft. The elevation in Salt Lake is 4500ft. So I'm wondering if the difference in elevation is what was causing my overheating issues as well as the paste. 500ft does not sound like that big of a difference, but humidity levels may play a part as well. Ambient temp here in Salt Lake has been 72F, while back home they were around 75 to 80 depending on which room I was in. So many factors!

Through testing and others personal results, IC diamond seems to keep temps down better than any other paste, but only if the paste can be applied perfectly. Maybe for more experienced people that's not an issue, but for me the Antec turned out to be a much better option as it spread across the chip and sealed much easier.

I'll update this again in a few weeks after I make it back to Colorado. I'm curious to see if my temps go back up while I'm there. I'm sure burn in time has played a part in my better temps, so I'll need to wait until I get back to be able to get a more accurate idea on how much of a difference elevation is making, if any at all.

 

hello guys..
i just bought GT70 0NE ( GTX680M, 12GB DDR3 128SSD+750GB)

I have a problem, that if it is on battery (not plug in into power adaptor)
the performance will run very poor.. i already set the power plan option into "High Performance"
i have also set the nvidia control panel, for Preferred Graphic Processor into "High-Performance Nvidia Processor"
and it is still hv the same problem..
but when i pluged the charger, it will become run very great...

is there any setting that i missed?

 

This is normal. Battery does not provide enough wattage to fully power the graphics card.

You need to be plugged in all the time while gaming

 

To -=$tr|k3r=- :

looking at this from the first post of the topic :


MSI GT60/GT70 GTX-680M VBIOS (WIN 7 models)

MSI GT60/GT70 GTX-680M VBIOS (WIN 8 models)

Are you sure those links are both correct? The win 7 link seems to be, since it matches the original vbios on my win 7
gt70 0ne-281us. By matches I mean using nvflash -- version I get this for my current active vbios read from eeprom :

NVIDIA Firmware Update Utility (Version 5.118) <---- this is my current active vbios read from eeprom

Adapter: N13E-GTX (10DE,11A0,1462,10BC) H:--:NRM B:01,PCI,D:00,F:00

The display may go *BLANK* on and off for up to 10 seconds during access to the
EEPROM depending on your display adapter and output device.

Identifying EEPROM...
EEPROM ID (C2,2012) : MX MX25L2005 2.7-3.6V 2048Kx1S, page
Reading adapter firmware image...
Image Size : 89088 bytes
Version : 80.04.33.00.24
~CRC32 : 028FC3E1
OEM String : NVIDIA
Vendor Name : NVIDIA Corporation
Product Name : GK104 Board - 2051b002
Product Revision : Chip Rev
Device Name(s) : N13E-GTX
Board ID : E10E
PCI ID : 10DE-11A0
Subsystem ID : 1462-10BC
Hierarchy ID : Normal Board
Chip SKU : 700
Project : 2051-0002
CDP : N/A
Build Date : 05/23/12
Modification Date : 06/04/12
Sign-On Message : GK104 P2051B SKU 002 VGA BIOS (HWDIAG)

And this is what nvflash says about the 680m.from the win7 link :

C:\nv>nvflash --version 680m(2).rom <---- this is from your link for the win7 vbios
NVIDIA Firmware Update Utility (Version 5.118)

Image Size : 89088 bytes
Version : 80.04.33.00.24
~CRC32 : 028FC3E1
OEM String : NVIDIA
Vendor Name : NVIDIA Corporation
Product Name : GK104 Board - 2051b002
Product Revision : Chip Rev
Device Name(s) : N13E-GTX
Board ID : E10E
PCI ID : 10DE-11A0
Subsystem ID : 1462-10BC
Hierarchy ID : Normal Board
Chip SKU : 700
Project : 2051-0002
CDP : N/A
Build Date : 05/23/12
Modification Date : 06/04/12
Sign-On Message : GK104 P2051B SKU 002 VGA BIOS (HWDIAG)

Version crc build and mod dates match for my vbios and the win 7 link vbios which is what it should be.

But now look at what I get for the 680m.rom from the win 8 vbios link:

C:\nv>nvflash --version 680m.rom <---- this is from your link for the win8 vbios

NVIDIA Firmware Update Utility (Version 5.118)

Image Size : 89088 bytes
Version : 80.04.33.00.24
~CRC32 : 028FC3E1
OEM String : NVIDIA
Vendor Name : NVIDIA Corporation
Product Name : GK104 Board - 2051b002
Product Revision : Chip Rev
Device Name(s) : N13E-GTX
Board ID : E10E
PCI ID : 10DE-11A0
Subsystem ID : 1462-10BC
Hierarchy ID : Normal Board
Chip SKU : 700
Project : 2051-0002
CDP : N/A
Build Date : 05/23/12
Modification Date : 06/04/12
Sign-On Message : GK104 P2051B SKU 002 VGA BIOS (HWDIAG)

Again version crc build and mod dates match both my current vbios and the win7 link vbios.

In other words both links for win7 and win8 vbios seem to be pointing to the old win7 vbios

Or I am missing something

 

Quick update on my problem now, here are 2 screenshots of when I run MSI Kombustor gpu burn in test,3d api-Direct 3d 11.


notice the gpu throttling in blue on the top right of the window. I dont know what that means. If anyone knows anything about the problem please help.
Thanks!

 

Try this one see if it's different:

http://gentechpcforums.com/Images/MSI/GT60-403US/680m.rom

 

Just checked that vbios with nvflash, gives identical image size, version, crc32, build and mod date as my active vbios and
the 2 vbios linked in the first post. If that is the vbios from a gt60-403us win 8 machine then whatever magic msi did to the win8
machines isn't in the vbios because it appears to be the same vbios every 680m in the gt series has had Maybe its because
its the vbios from a gt60 win8 machine and msi kept the conservative vbios in the win8 gt60 because of the lesser cooling capacity
due to size? Can you post the vbios from a MSI GT70 0NE-446US? Thanks

 

Hi Ken,
All of them are binary identical.
All three.
I would agree with Cloudfire, vbios shouldn't be different between win7 and win8 models.
Unless MSI has VBIOS updated to new version in the latest models.

 

Then it must be system BIOS and Firmware did the trick, I'll test it on a GT70-0NE-276US WIn7 Model next week and report back.

 

is there any solution how to keep full performance without plug in the adaptor?
because before i use ROG it can run full performance without plug in...

 

No, the 680M is too powerful to run from the battery. Your ROG's graphics card was much weaker thats why it didn't need as much power.

 

No, I am not. This is what I get for 'assuming' I am given correct information, and since I didn't personally verify this, it's egg on my face and obviously bad information. I'll change this in the lead post.

 

Ummm guys can anyone please read what I posted 2 pages back and try to help me. Im baffled about my system.

 

Try your nvidia Optimus settings as it may be using your on board gpu also make sure your in high performance mode and your plugged in.

 

I am plugged in and in high performance mode.
What do you mean nvidia Optimus settings?
Here is a shot of my gpuz info notice that CUDA and Directcompute are not enabled. I dontknow how that can happen on my gtx680.
View attachment 89368

 

Does anybody know if you can flash the UEFI bios over the AMI bios without issues? I would like to upgrade to use the features provided by the UEFI version but am not sure if this would be supported. I have the Win 7 version of the GT70 with the Super Raid configuration that MSI offered.

 

Go into your nvidia control panel and go onto manage 3D settings and change it from auto gpu select to the nvidia one.

 

Hey dale,
Thanks for the reply,
I already tired that, but no luck, it seems my gpu is throttling or something.
when i run the MSI kombustor look what i get on the top right in blue. (GPU throttling: -622 MHz)
I get a low graphics score and low combined score mostly when I run 3Dmark11, I posted my scores earlier on the thread. If needed I can post again.
View attachment 89385 View attachment 89386
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you all.

 

Hmmmm whats it's like when playing games?

 

I can run games but at lower fps then should be i think. Some games I start off at 70fps say, then after 5 mins of play i get a huge fps drop till it reaches 20-30 then i press the turbo button so the frames go back up then in a while they drop back again. Im not really sure whats going on here. Is is a physical problem with the card or is it a software problem. thing is i sometime get a 3dmark11 score in the 6000s and other times in the 4000s, there is no consistency with the results. Ive posted some detailed results a few pages back. If you can give me a game or two and their settings and tell me how many fps it ran on your system maybe i can compare with mine and check if the card is faulty or not. The thing that baffles me again is why CUDA and directcompute are not enabled on the card. do you have similar stats or is it just my card.