@Phoenix - you are getting the laptop @DukeCLR says had problems with the Anniversary update, so you are now one of "those of us"![]()
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That small memory OC is hardly going to show up in gaming performance at all, let alone a significant amount that anyone would notice let alone be able to measure.
This lack of memory OC isn't new, and is of no consequence as to whether or not to recommend the GT73VR.
I even warned @Phoenix that this memory upgrade wasn't worth it in the first place, it could have been as simple as pluggin in 2 more of the same 16GB memory SODIMM's, now it's a problem - where there wasn't a problem in the first place - in fact it was a simple RAM upgrade.Last edited: Jan 25, 2017 -
HDMI 1.4
Need to remove motherboard to change RAM
Blows air out both the left and right sides
I have a tally for everything in my head. As far as I can tell, it looks like MSI have made questionable design choices, but saying only the CPU & GPU matter in such a high end, expensive machine is counter-productive. I could recommend this to someone, or I could recommend them a P775DM3 from a place that will delid it like HID, and give them a guide to replacing the thermal pads, and it will just be a better machine.
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I honestly don't care if YOU have no problems with all of the things I've listed, but I do, and I know many people other than myself more than do, and I haven't even mentioned the fact that it's got a soldered CPU yet for the price of socketed models.
Especially considering how machines like the 16L13 are, and how the upcoming 16L13-esque variant of this model might be, all the things I'm learning here are simply disappointments.
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4K @ 60Hz HDMI is already supported / tested on the GT73VR:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussions-lounge.794968/page-31#post-10342952
http://imgur.com/xPOS80z
Just because it doesn't say HDMI 2.0 doesn't mean it won't do what you need. Probably not certified due to not wanting to pay the price for listing the logo / version. Pascal GPU's have HDMI 2.0, MSI is likely just passing it through:
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT73VR-7RF-Titan-Pro.html#hero-overview
"MSI GT series has innovative design of pure discrete graphics mode. The Matrix Display on GT series therefore supports up to 3 external 4K displays, 4 displays in total simultaneously through one HDMI (4K @ 60Hz) compatible port, one Mini DisplayPort 1.2 and one Thunderbolt 3* (Type-C port) plus the laptop built-in display. Multi-task is made possible even during competitive gameplays. Connect the laptop to HDTV display, Matrix Display supports 4K output with a resolution up to 3840 x 2160 @60Hz."
The rest is silly (not just incorrect):
The laptop blows air out the back and sides, to reduce noise by spreading the pressure output through combined larger outlets. That's one of the reasons it's quieter than Clevo turbine screaming coolers. It's an innovation, not an issue.
The value of swapping out the 1st 2 slots of RAM with 2 x 16GB @ 2400mhz is fruitless, so don't do it, and that takes care of the rest of your pointless tally.Maineiac12 and DukeCLR like this. -
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Their reply was: "on the GT72 yes but not on this one."
Because it is so difficult to change the RAM I have to make sure it is stable before them shipping it out. The last thing I want is to have to open up the motherboard and swap RAM
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Reason being:
with my 2133 MHz RAM Samsung RAM before, I overclocked it to 2400 MHz. all was stable in stress tests and benchmarking.
Then when I was playing Need For Speed: Rivals (back at that time), after like 5 mins of gameplay, the FPS will dip down to 1-2 FPS and remain there until I rebooted. I initially though it was Graphics Drivers or something else, never thought it was the RAM. Then I reverted the RAM back to stock and everything was fine. While you may be able to bench and what not with an overclocked RAM, I would rather not have any data corruption, weird system or game play errors. the benefit is not worth the hassle
I will call HIDevolution soon and see if I can swap back to the 2400 MHz RAM and be safer and have better timings
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There was a bios update (.10A I think?) that opened up the memory timings for the stock RAM and it now shows running at 2400mhz for me. Don't know about trying to OC up to 2666 but I can't imagine I'd notice a difference in real world applications.hmscott likes this. -
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As for the RAM, since they came out I noticed it. I couldn't understand why they existed. The 2666MHz and 2800MHz RAM are both 18-18-18, but the 3000MHz was 16-18-18, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the slower RAM was worse.
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2) The Killer cards are crap bro, when I run multiple simultaneous downloads, the whole card disconnects, see: Just upgraded to an Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265 -
Yeah. See last gen killer cards (7260ac era) were great... if you installed basic drivers and used WLAN Optimizer and enabled "disable background scan". They didn't have any ac cards though, and I have wireless ac in my house now (came standard with the modem from the current ISP I'm on).
But it seems current gen killer cards are... ugh. I know the same thing about using WLAN Optimizer applies for stability and fixing network drops, but like... the card still crashes outright. And nobody knows how to fix it. So I just opted for the 8265ac and it's cheaper too.Papusan and Spartan@HIDevolution like this. -
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I have to warn you though about this issue if you haven't seen or noticed it yet:
Apps not loading on startup in Windows 10 [SOLVED]
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Unless HID (or some trusted source) had pre-tested other make/model faster SODIMM's it's risky to just put in new ones without use testing, as your experience shows.
With Asus / MSI / other high end but closed laptops it's possible to find memory that will run faster, I've done it a number of times, it's a crap shoot until you find a specific reliable solution.
The GT73VR is too new, and the Kaby Lake version is even newer, to have much field data back to know which faster memory to use.
Again, that's why I suggested using known components in the expansion, it's what I always recommend without several owner reports of faster SODIMM's working reliably in the same model(s) / motherboard.
Glad you go it worked out
Did you get them to run a few thermal benchmark tests and get temperature reports from the tests before accepting it for shipment to you?Spartan@HIDevolution likes this. -
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Paying almost $10k for a laptop, no offense, gives you an insane amount of leverage, you should be able to ask for anything to make sure it runs smooth.
Also why only go with IC Diamond thermal paste?
And 64GB of RAM, the hell do you do on your laptop, and all that SSD space.. jesus - are you planning a moon landing using your laptop?Maxmoky, TomJGX, CaerCadarn and 1 other person like this. -
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Also, I haven't read through the whole thread, but on the MSI forums there's a crazy russian modder called Svet, who has been working with MSI EC and BIOS since the creation of man.
He works for donations, small as large, basically a Prema equivalent just for MSI instead of Clevo.
Virtual high five him, he can fix a lot of things that MSI completely missed out on. Also he has some great suggestions at times too. Great guy, I've read hundreds of his posts. -
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MSI notebook order thread: post your orders here
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