do what now?
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if it gets your approval, it should be perfect
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Maybe get the stock speed 2400mhz mfgr matching 2x16 for the bottom slots instead?
IDK how much you will notice slightly faster RAM in gaming, I doubt it's worth the effort required to pull out the motherboard, cooling, and put it all back together with a re-paste.
See if HID will do some benchmarks for temperature readings for the stock paste so you can have a basis for comparison on how well/bad the re-paste is.
And, see if you can find some good memory and high memory usage benchmarks to see the improvement in performance for your memory upgrade.
The Kabylake new memory default speed is 2400mhz vs the highest I've heard available as 2800mhz - not a big enough jump for the effort and expense I would assume, but maybe the benchmarks will show otherwise.Last edited: Jan 24, 2017DukeCLR likes this. -
I really hope bro @D2 Ultima don't see this
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Did I hear "remove motherboard to upgrade RAM"?
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It's amazing how few FPS are to be gained ripping apart the laptop to re-paste and bump up the memory clock by a few percent, yet you seem to think it's the obviously right thing to do. Not me -
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The problem I have, is that you need to rip apart the laptop to change a couple RAM sticks. I cannot fathom why MSI felt that was a good idea, nor why they have air blowing out BOTH sides as well as the back. It's really counter-intuitive. Coupled with the HDMI 1.4 of the Skylake model (I don't know if the Kaby Lake has 2.0) and other silly design choices in an otherwise premium notebook (BGA CPU or not), it's like they're TRYING to not hold top spot for some extremely weird reason.
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Then after you've gotten to know it well, you can have that enjoyable experiene all over again by replacing key hardware pieces one at a time to see what each change improves, and exactly by how much.
I see these guys blowing through stacks of cash to change everything before they even see their laptops, and never getting the joy of the whole process themselves.
IDK, when I own a laptop I look forward to the process enjoyed as individual changes throughout a long ownership. Why blow all that joy at once, and not really get the value from all that expense?
Just seems odd to me.
The only other time I see this is with racing teams taking stock cars and ripping them apart and completely replacing them except for the frame and general shape of the body.
In that case it makes sense, they can't exactly race the stock car on the track, so I think it's completely normal.
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It's odd to me that a before / after re-paste thermal benchmark test isn't a standard feature of paying for a re-paste.
If I was doing that work I'd want to know if there were any problems with the stock paste / assembly, a good way to find out is to do a quick few minutes of thermal benchmark runs.
A poor temperature result from testing would tell me to look for problems to fix like warped parts or misfitting parts - important to know before blindly re-pasting potentially ill fitting components, ending up with as bad or worse than stock results.
And, a matching comparison thermal benchmark run after re-pasting would let me know if re-pasting was successful - before I shipped out a faulty paste job to a client.
As part of that process I would be proud to provide a before and after benchmark result so the client would see the positive effect the re-pasting had on the performance.
Maybe they already do before after thermal benchmark runs, but don't normally give it to customers.
Asking to run the tests you might find they do them already and would be happy to provide you a copy of the before / after resultsMBN and Spartan@HIDevolution like this. -
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When you're a user who understands the performance bumps in the first place, there's no need to aim for stock then change. And, that costs more money. Why buy a stock machine then external RAM and other such things if the company offers it from scratch at a reasonable price, or if you can get the machine without stock stuff (like how HID sells with no RAM as an option so you can just include your own)? It doesn't make monetary sense, and it's a lot of time wasted on a new machine. People don't buy desktop parts with weaksauce RAM and stock CPU cooler and whatnot to then after testing it go buy better RAM and a better cooling solution for overclocking, when they knew they wanted the better RAM and overclocking from the get-go.
It's similar to that stock car stripdown. They already have an idea of what the car will do, and they know the benefits of upgrading it, so they skip the initial testing and just run their upgrades.Maxmoky, Papusan, hmscott and 1 other person like this. -
From the MSI model choices available a new owner should have enough memory, storage, with the parts provided specifications close enough to the maximum optimal limits for the design limitations.
There really isn't much headroom to grab for in these laptop CPU models.
You aren't going to have a large delta in memory speed - 2400mhz to 2800mhz, not a knock out improvement in any estimation - certainly not enough improvement for most owners to expend the effort to swap out all the original 2400mhz memory for 2800mhz.
It makes more sense to match the make/model of the installed memory to fill out the 2 remaining empty slots that are easily accessible under the rear panel.
The same goes for storage, spending $4000 on storage for this laptop is highly unusual. For the most part 99% of the people wanting this laptop are not going to opt for spending this much, or opt for replacing the original memory in the hard to service slots under the keyboard.
That's all I am trying to point out, this isn't going to be a good example of what others can expect to get from MSI out of the box.
@Phoenix 's unit is going to better represent the savvy and technical expertise of HID's pasting and memory tuning than what others can expect from a stock MSI unit. I look forward to the optimal results attained by HID, and @Phoenix.
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Maybe if 3200mhz isn't immediately stable HID / @Phoenix can take the time to put in a technical request requesting MSI release a BIOS improvement to open up the support for faster RAM offered with Kaby Lake.Papusan, Spartan@HIDevolution and D2 Ultima like this. -
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Svet might be able to provide an open unlocked BIOS that HID / @Phoenix can use to tune successfully on their own quicker than MSI can respond.
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Update: Laptop has moved to In-Production Status
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I asked HIDevolution what Build of Windows 10 are they installing and to my surprise, they are installing the latest build: Windows 10 Final 1607 RS1 Build 14393 and the latest drivers
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HIDevolution just confirmed to me that they checked the screen for backlight bleeding prior to start installing all the components
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They have the machine in their hands and should manage this
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@GenTechPC @Papusan @D2 Ultima
HIDevolution just tested the 3000 MHz. RAM but on XMP 1 or XMP Profile it only operates @ 2400 MHz so they are going to test the 2800 MHz now since Kevin @GenTechPC said the 2800 MHz works
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plus. I want peace of mind, I want it to all work out of the box without the need for tinkering or changing any settings. This brings back bad memories from my P870DM3 and tinkering with manual RAM settings to stabilize XMP 1 which he finally fixed though in the Prema BIOS -
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Little teaser of the internals of the laptop:
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Not what I will call a nice deal. But that's me bro. You know me
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2800 MHz. RAM also running @ 2400 MHz on XMP Profile 1 and 2
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had to drop down to 2666 MHz RAM as even the 2800 MHz runs only @ 2400 MHz
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And 2400MHz is listed on MSI' web page. Maybe they live in last years tech?
Anyway... Better than 2133MHz
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Isn't it technically true that if you run two sticks instead of four, you can hit higher ram clock speeds or tighter timings? I am just curious if they tried just 32GB of the 2800mhz ram they may get better results.
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As always, the rule of silicon lottery happens to the RAM chips and system IMC.hmscott likes this.
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