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1) no it only clocks up the cpu

2) no the card will run at that speed in 3d mode if you have enabled overdrive in CCC

3) The cooling system is adequate in controlling the heat. Just follow these steps. Make sure back of notebook is propped up to allow better airflow. Better yet get a notebook cooler. for everyday use the Zalman NC2000 does the trick well. If you need more air flow (and more fan noise) Buy NZCX Cooler master and use usb power source (ps3 i think). If you are going to overclock I STRESS using AtiTray Tool Beta. it can monitor your temps in the game and its FPS. (need to update directx first). Just a word of warning overclocking ages your video memory chips and GPU faster. you will be fine for a variable amount of time. (1 day - 5 yrs) all depends on your luck in the chip qualities. But once you start artifacting its all downhill from there and the process accelerates the aging process of the chips Even faster. But if you have money to blow hey the card is replaceable. I would consider modding if you really want to do some serious overclocking slap some artic silver on the GPU/CPU replace the fan with a stronger one or voltage lock the fan 100% (etc etc the list goes on) but this is not for the faint of heart.

 

Hello and thanks faisal for all your work !

I haven't read the 140 pages so i will surely found out by myself but have you tested fumark or with full ati override ?

 

when u say fumark u mean futuremark 3dmark06 rite yes i have maximum oc cpu and gpu check my sig and read the forst page dont have to go through all 140 pages i will update first page with all the info ok

well Red already answer all the questoin i just wanna addd one thing i got my gpu oc to 550 900 nearly 2 weeks now i play delta force xtream a lot 4 or 5 hour a day although its not a demanding game but still i did nt had any problem what so ever.

 

good point When I play Everquest 2 or Unreal Tournament 2004 my temp is 60-62
on oblivion i see temps of 70-74 (at 74 the fan kicks into a higher mode and keeps it down i have yet to break 76C) however the CCC will downclock if temps hit 80c GPU * if* I read right. but this is only if you install mobility drivers not sure if you use standard catalysts if its the same or not. If it does. then you can be a bit more secure in OC since the CCC will kick it back down if its too excessive.

 

Too late, I'm at page 105 ^^

No i mean Furmark, it's a software that stresses the GPU and detects artifacts.
At the end of the test you have a .txt with a score and the heat of your GPU during the test.

 

Too late, I'm at page 105 ^^

And the link to download it
http://downloads.guru3d.com/FurMark-v1.4.0-download-1965.html

 

i just downloaded the furmark i ll run the test and will let u know what setting should i run the test on ?

 

I would says with ATI overdrive and without (to see the difference).

With a desktop 4850 the test give you 4383 and a 295GTX gets 15000
Settings: 1280x1024 - Fullscreen - MSAA: 0X - 60 sec

 

! that black & silver model is NICE! That's what I would've preferred for mine! Also from the photos if it's the actual model, it's still the Al/plastic body as you can see the horizontal lines on the pic with the cover partially opened, which appear on the Al lid part.

ATI catalyst drivers: Aren't they unified like the nVidia drivers? Where you get mobile and desktop support all rolled into the one driver plus support for all the top line supported cards?

If so, have the newer 9.2 & 9.3 drivers increased performance enough over the default drivers to bother installing? (I haven't even updated my X11 drivers from 9.2, and while I'm thinking of it those do support the mobile power management, but the X11 drivers are slightly different from the Windows drivers...)

Temps are looking pretty good, as IIRC when I ran Stalker SoC on my 1651/GX620 (P8600/4GB/512MB GDDR3 9600M GT), CPU temps would go to 80sC and GPU low 90sC IIRC XP Pro SP3 32b). I'll have to try Stalker again on the 725-074US when I get a better GPU temp monitoring setup. I'm hopinh that the guy that does speedfan can/will update it to support the GPU thermal diode, as that app will record selected values into a comma separated value file(.csv) for later manipulation...

Hmmm... there was something else that I wanted to ak/comment on, but I've forgotten what it was ATM. Post back later if I remember what it was...

(Canadians got a NICE GT627 model P9500 + 500GB hdd w/o BR DVD... wonder what their GT725 model(s) will be like...)

[EDIT]
Thought of another question for later upgrades:
Those of you that bravely cracked open your 725s, did you happen to notice if it ships with a third antenna lead? (Thinking of possibly upgrading to a 5300 or other 3 antenna WiFi card later...)
[/EDIT]

 

maybe I missed something...
did you manage to have catalyst 9.3 installed properly???!
max frequencies reached stable are 550 900 ???

Thx

 

When you've done this bench :

here oc 1680 x 1050

09/02/2009 05:40:30 - Vista
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 72.41s, Average FPS: 27.62
Min FPS: 16.93 at frame 145, Max FPS: 33.82 at frame 875
Average Tri/Sec: -26915898, Tri/Frame: -974474
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 68.65s, Average FPS: 29.13
Min FPS: 16.93 at frame 145, Max FPS: 35.42 at frame 85
Average Tri/Sec: -28028334, Tri/Frame: -962078
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 68.50s, Average FPS: 29.20
Min FPS: 16.93 at frame 145, Max FPS: 35.72 at frame 61
Average Tri/Sec: -28113044, Tri/Frame: -962840
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

Completed All Tests

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>

09/02/2009 05:40:30 - Vista

Run #1- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 32 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 29.165

I assume you had the turbo mode activated but did you Overdrive the GPU ?
If yes at what frequency ?

 

who done this test ?

anyway i dont like this furmark dont know how to use it lol i got 1.6.5 and it would nt give me a text file only a on screen. and if i run multi test the txt file is un readable

 

I think you've ran that test, around page 44 or 46 i don't remember ^^

And don't worry about furmark, i just wanted to see how the overdrive did but i will do it when i will have mine (as soon as i get the money ^^).

And when you play crysis is it fluide ? Cause lot's of people says it's hard to play a game under 35 FPs

 

I think that furmark is quite good faisal, i actually heard the Advents fan under full power today, which is nice because its the first benchmark that ran the fan properly, all my games i played didnt achive that, but this little benchmark did hehe.

(no oc on) You can see the lower native res does have a nice performance.

 

lol sorry i did so many test that i dont even remember.

yes crysis warhead run fine check my sig for the bamrk i will run some more and will post the result

i agree that was the first time i head my fan kicked in on hight i think it was low than medium and when it rich 80 it become high

 

Yeah, my temparatures were bouncing 86-87, wouldn't go higher then that, which was nice because thats quite hot =)

I might see how high i can take MSAA as ati is pretty good with the support when it comes to that.

 

some bmark i ran for someone on u tube i am gonna post them here too just incase it might help some1

this one is crysis warhead bamrk the black tool called HOCBench u gave me this one john

The benchmark started at 22/03/2009 21:12:37

System Information
Operating system: Windows Vista (TM) Home Premium
System memory: 3070 MB
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P9500 @ 2.53GHz
CPU speed: 2533 MHz
Graphics card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850 - 512 MB
Benchmark information
Demo: Airfield
Quality: High
Renderer mode: DirectX 10
Antialising mode: Off
Filtering mode: None
MultiGPU support: Disabled
Boost renderer: Disabled
Use Custom Config File: No
Random .exe: Disabled

Resolution: 1024×768
Result(1): Minimum= 9 FPS Average= 20 FPS Max= 28 FPS

Resolution: 1280×768 (HD WideScreen)
Result(1): Minimum= 10 FPS Average= 18 FPS Max= 25 FPS


now this one is exactly same setting

this tool called Framebuffer Crysis WARHEAD Benchmark Tool

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P9500 @ 2.53GHz @ 2527 Mhz
CPU ID: x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium 32-bit Service Pack 1
Physical memory: 3.00 GB
Display adapter: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850 512 MB
Driver version: 7.01.01.849 (20081112154100.000000-000)

==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 3502, Recorded Time: 92.69s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 108.54s, Average FPS: 32.26
Min FPS: 19.89 at frame 68, Max FPS: 44.89 at frame 2867
Average Tri/Sec: -1024426, Tri/Frame: -31751
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -16.44
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 102.72s, Average FPS: 34.09
Min FPS: 19.20 at frame 61, Max FPS: 47.37 at frame 2858
Average Tri/Sec: -310464, Tri/Frame: -9106
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -57.33
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 101.51s, Average FPS: 34.50
Min FPS: 19.20 at frame 61, Max FPS: 47.37 at frame 2858
Average Tri/Sec: -253068, Tri/Frame: -7335
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -71.17
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

//////////// Summary \\\\\\\\\\\\\

03/22/2009 21:34:07 - Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium 32-bit Service Pack 1

DirectX 10 GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1024 x 768 AA 0xx
==> Framerate [ Min: 19.20 Max: 47.37 Avg: 34.30 ]

 

that's the 1.05 benchmarking tool right?

 

Is this one of the Ozone 3d benchmarks faisal? it must be quite a heavy render from what i can see, although i ike how higher res minimum fps is better.

 

the low number was run by HOCBench

the high number run by Framebuffer Crysis WARHEAD Benchmark Tool

john have u seen the first page what else should i add there ??


its crysis warhead catacylsm

 

cool


every place selling this notebook should be there.

 

Thank You again for the bench Faisal.
I'm buying this laptop because of all your bench/youtube reviews.

Thankyou very much.

 

its ok i am glad to help thats Why we are here Team NBR

side note:- i take cash, paypal, banktransfer

 

Yeah, erm faisal lives in my house, send it to my postcode

Yeah the reviews and benchmarks are always great faisal, thanks for sharing .

I wonder if anyone has the 725-210uk yet fais, would be interested to see how its performing.

 

lol riteeeeeeeeeeee

no problem you welcome guys

its not out yet but it is same as advent 6555 but better res and turbo once that is out i think advent 6555 owner can use the same bios to make the tubo work on there lappy

 

I really do hope so however temps creep quite high as they are, prehaps the new 725 will have a newer modded heat sinc.

 

i will doubt it but you never know we just need to wait and see once it out we ll find out

 

OK, so with zippo recorded dat, but v. 80+C readings CPU and 94C GPU readings with my old 1651 WSXGA+ running stalker soc @ 1440x900 + ZRP + float32 + weather mod, I now get:
CPU mid 60sC (P8600 same CPU as 1651 - hit 80sC w/my 1651)
GPU max 75C (v. 94C w/9600M GT)

pretty good IMNHO...

(now to work on framerate as soc is really sucking inthat respect v. my old 1651... and yes, I've alrready been dropping typical perf killers, e.g. texture detail, view dist, shadows, etc.)

 

I havent been able to install 9.3's I am gonna take another crack at copying parts of oem16.inf and merge it into CLXXXXX.inf and CXXXXX.INF
I only edited one so maybe if i edit both i will have better luck as someone pointed out it needs to be in both INF files

 

wow thats hot... did you notice a drop in FPS when it broke 80c??? If not then CCC does not downclock when reaching 80c and i am dying to find out if this is the case. Was there a difference in fan noise after 75C+? i know the fan kicks into a higher mode at 75c is there another level of fan speed?

 

86-87 maxed out is quite nominal for the 6555 (1722) it wasn't overclocked either but its definately stuck at that, also CCC only downclocks if overdrive is active, it has no need stock i guess.

But there is an even higher level of fan speed at around 80, which really powers down on things.

Im really happy with the gpu though, its a powerfull b|**h lol

 

Every once in a while when playing a game, I'll hear the fan kick up in speed briefly, but then it usually drops back down to it's "normal" sounding running speed. I've never had it it stay at higher speeds for an extended period of time, but we'll have to see how it holds up when summer gets here, and I take it outside once in a while....

Oh yeah, I'm using the v2.0 Float32 for Stalker SoC this time, whereas before IIRC I was using an older version. I may even remove v2.0 and backdown to an older version now as the v1.5xxx series was better for performance. v2.0 was all about eye candy... (replaces some of the shaders used in the game)

Weather Overhaul changes the game weather, making it more variable and a bit brighter as well as adding a moving sun & moon(hacky as they're not quite proper).

ZRP: Zone Reclamation Project which fixes some game bugs, changes behavior of some mobs, allows free zone travel, etc. (has a ton of customizable things pre-made for you to optionally install, plus a mini modifier program that allows you to easily change a few other variables, e.g. carry weight, quest times, etc.)

Then when I finally finish it this time, I'll try the game replacing mod, Pripoi Boy IIRC.

[EDIT]
weird thing I noticed yesterday was that Stalker did NOT allow me to pick 1440x900 resolution, only 1400x1050 THEN 1280x1024 and all the usual lower resolutions. IIRC I was able to pick 1440x900 on the 1651(9600M GT) and was playing it at that res...
[/EDIT]

Anyone tried Drakensang on this yet?

[EDIT2]
Has anyone bothered to update their BIOS/EC firmware yet? I'm still on the stock shipped, but I know that it's not the latest version, but also, since I'm not having any problems I'm not updating. I REALLY REALLY REALLY wish that MSI would post changelogs with their firmware updates for nbs... wonder if they do tthese mystery BIOSes for their mbs as well...
[/EDIT2]

 

Yeah on fur test all i could use is 1440x900 res, i couldnt go lower or higher, it just wouldn't open up.

 

Yes its a real beast for a laptop gpu!!.

gonna try again to install the 9.3's
gonna try a manual install this time around

 

Had a look in the BIOS and there is no option to assign IRQ. Not sure what to do now at all.

 

What are you wanting to do Jay?

 

Hey guys I just got Crysis and was wondering what settings our baby can max this game out to. I am unfamiliar with the min/maxing of computers and overclocking, but I would love to be able to modify my machine to perform better than it already does if possible!

I messed with some of the gpu overclocking, upping the overdrive function to 500/800, but that resulted in multiple blue screens.

I have the processor turboed at 20%.

As is, the game seems to run well at High settings, with 2x anti aliasing, but sometimes it can be slightly choppy.

 

Hmm shouldn't be blue screening?

They are the stock clocks aren't they?, try 840 and 890 for clock settings in catalyst rather then max.

 

I will check that out when I get off work. The settings were not max, though.

Maybe I have a defected computer? How can I run a test to see that?

 

Try some benchmarks, have it on a surface rather on your leg, use the cata control centre fine tune and then try reinstall drivers prehaps.

Infact run OZONE3D Fur test with temparature readings on and see prehaps if its your cooling.

 

Thanks catacylsm!

I have it on a flat surface desk. I will run that program and see what the outcome is.

Other than adjusting the turbo setting and the two settings for cata overdrive, are there any other settings I can play with to increase optimization?

Is this machine capable of running Crysis at the highest settings, highest anti-aliasing smoothly?

 

go ahead and give it a try....

 

No laptop can run Crysis smoothly with all settings at max

 

not because its a very demanding game only bz it has too many bugs which creat trouble time to time thats all

 

Its either high quality and res w no aa or med quality and res for some aa normally, quite a tradeoff which is ashame but prehaps will increase with more driver releases.

 

might wanna try to update driver also. Might fix the blue screens if its a driver bug

 

ok got the catalyst 9.3 installed gonna take it for a spin
had to update driver manually.

will post my new 3dmark score in a few

 

Well I ran the fur benchmark but really have no idea what the numbers mean, so I just cancelled it after some time. What is the point of running the test?

Much to learn, I have.

 

It makes the GPU run hardest in my oppinion, gives you good insight into fps and tells you peek temparatures, leave it running for 5 minutes on native res, but it is really handy.

 

well new 3dmark06 with defaults settings with stock turbo (15%) and ati overdrive at 550/900 on cats 9.3

10327

a nice improvement

dunno if you can use this link

http://service.futuremark.com/home.action;jsessionid=7715134D4EF03362E5BA825AB71C9F6E