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given how close these test are...looks like the 4870s may just knock the 9800m gtx off it's throne....

i would not count the 4850s out just yet...still need more people to run test with them. they seem to be above the 9800m gt right now,(speculation of course) but we wont know till the 9800m gt users re benchmark current and past games with the 2009 knowledge they didn't have when they first got their systems.....

 

technically the 4850 has about 160 true shader cores but overall more shader cores than nvidia, ( ati uses Fatboy shaders, which 1 boss controls 4 smaller cores, so really 800 breaks down to be about 80 ALUs total. So for what it has, it's doing really well.
But trust me, ATI's cards have always had more shader cores than nvidia.. their drivers are what keeps them back.. not the cards. So I always wonder what would happen if Nvidia's driver team got with ATI's Core architecture team.

 

The 4870 should be at least 20-30% faster than the 4850 if it keeps to the same increase the desktop version has over the 4850.

 

yeah, i don't go by that stuff..gives people false hope and high expectations...just have to wait for the first "end users" to get a hold of one and start testing them.. we can all debate the numbers till we are blue in the face...but at the end of the day...it amounts to what we all find out here in the forums by members who have these types of systems. and are willing to spend a week or two testing them.

 

Yes we could talk til' we're blue in the face ( but you're right we would rather have real numbers over speculation ) because we all know there's nothin that beats numbers crunching on cool electronics! Out of every hobby I have ever had in my life, reading forums on numbers this numbers that, FPS this FPS that, has been the most enjoyable past-time In my life so far.
I don't know what it is about the 4850 in this mode, or that mode, compared to 9800 gtx in this mode, or that mode that gets the kid in me back again, but I know I love it.

 

tis is true. i do like to crush the numbers first hand. to see if initial reports are in fact true or some serious wishful thinking on someone else part...lol.
but im thinking it's safe to say that the 4850 indeed is a hit and given it's major performance increase just by using the 9.1 driver.... once a few more people bench this laptop, the msi community will have it's starting database on facts vs fiction...

 

1280x800
DirectX10
Texture: High
Objects: High
Shadows: High (maybe very high)
Physics: High
Shaders: Very High
Volumetric Effects: High
Game Effects: High (maybe very high)
Post Processing: Very High
Particles: High
Water Quality: Very High

46 pages and still no Crysis benchmarks? I'm astonished!

 

and i have a big part in rigt lol

edit : or maybe a small one

 

Biggest so far

 

lol thanks should have done crysis bm by now but freaking disc is not working well i am gonna try again

xed i rang microanvika today asking for an answer of misselling. the guy was like ooo we did nt knew the laptop was just arrived we did nt had time to check we copy spec from msi website so we are waitng an answer from msi i will call you as soon as we get some sort of solution.

 

Also if any of the current 725 owners are also MMO players like WOW or WAR could you comment on the in game performance at the highest settings. (I plan on connecting it to a 1080p 52 LCD when not in tow)

The 725 is my short list for laptops but I have not dismissed a desktop as an option if the 725 just cant handle the large scale PVP keep/city sieges of Warhammer Online. (Bud just got an i7 with a 285 1g card and its just stunning, although I cannot tell just how over-classed WAR is on that system).

Also plan for DOW II.

 

@faisalhero
Thanks for the above and beyond call of duty reporting...

excepting your nafty UK friends though...

 

Hi! I have some questions about the fan behaviour of the GT725:

1) In Office/Idle Mode: is the fan constantly running or is the fan going up/down uneasily? Is the noise noticeable?

2) Under Load/Gaming: How loud does it get? Is the fan noise better or worse than the Clevo m860tu? (or take other objects for comparison like vacuum cleaner/helicopter noise...)

 

so far it does nt matter what mode u runing there is no noticable noise none, nada, zlich, u have to take u ear right next to the fan to hear any noise hope this help

 

I've been silently following this thread.. the 4k ATI cards are interesting to me, because OCZ is supposed to allow the 4870s in Crossfire to work in my rig. From what I've seen..this is good news. Looks like the 4870s will be eating up some GTXs for an appetizer..and likely having some desktop GPUs for dessert. Thanks for the info faisal.. Very good to see.

 

WOW those are some awsome notebook scores you got there!
So are you going to upgrade to the 4870 X-Fire as soon as it comes out? I bet you'll add on a few thousand to that record if you do!

Yah I have always been an ATI fan, they have always had the highest theoretical scores, but just haven't been able to apply them as well as nvidia in all games. It has been a hard road for ATI, the only setback Nvidia has had to deal with was the FX series, and that wasn't even a big deal compared to what ATI went through with the HD2900XT. That card had a bug that took 8 months to fix, by then the 8800GTX had already been out and smashing anything else they had. Of course it smashed the HD2900, which basically bankrupt them had AMD not have bought them =/. I have owned a 9200, X700, X850 PE, X1900XT. But this laptop has Nvidia in it, but as soon as I get the MSI 725GT I'll be going back to the dark side

 

ive said this one and ill say it again the 4870 crossfire will be the first notebook cards to crack 20,000 bet on it.

 

no pro glad to help more be coming soon if i can ever manage to un crysis bmark

 

how much?

 

$200 paid to everyone in this thread! If i am wrong.

 

The real question is how much street for individual cards and availability on the 4870's just the cards themselves.

I'm caught in a Mendoza atm in regards to these new cards. Just like the 1722, 1651, I am hoping to see some cheap Whitebook DIYs show up on eBay or elsewhere as the newer model(s) move in. I am also interested in the individual price of the cards. Hopefully some Whitebook's or even some refurb AW 1440x900's show up eventually.

It is a race between when some DIYs show up on closeout (assuming Arima/OCZ don't just upgrade the cards on older chassis and sell the 3870's in them currently), I'm really interested in the new Clevo M98 which looks like a beast among beast.

Right now, my ~$200 1722 chassis is keeping the components warm (320gb, QX9300 OEM, 5300, 8GB DDR2 and I have a few 5300's and DDR3 pairs on the shelf) till something much more powerful comes along in a barebone bawdy.

 

20k? maybe... but sure will not be happening by the better than average user or a low end setup. count on that. you will need to spend. don't get any ideas thinking a p9500 is going to do 20k..just not gonna happen...lol

 

how about the speakers? I know that's not as important as the video card but I'm so curious how they sound, along with the sub woofer.

 

I'm curious.. Do I get $200 if I'm first to break 20k? Cause I don't need some overpriced customized rig with cooling mods and flashing lights to set records, ya know?

electro; you won't be seeing these drop in price. Dude, don't ya see? That's the beauty of them.. brilliant business move on flex/OCZ's behalf. All these rigs are just a chassis, mobo, and screen. Everything else is built to order. They don't mass produce them loaded up. So they have nothing to justify a discounted buy. As far as pricing on the 4870 I have a very reliable source telling me $300 roughly per card. AND they intend to sell the GPUs as an upgrade kit, solo. Supply won't be an issue. Expect them very beginning of April.

Oh, and the Intel XTU - Extreme tuning utility for advanced system tweaking and overclocking is also soon to come our way. This is the first notebook built meant to use it. Ever notice the spec sheet shows XMP Capable RAM is supported?

In a couple months this system will be untouchable.

But budget wise.. This MSI looks to be a top performer!

 

Hardly any noise on both Office/Gaming? *Jaw dropping* This sounds absolutely amazing!

 

Could one of the GT725 owners please take a picture of the notebooks audio connectors?
Just want to make sure if there is a SPDIF connector and what type it is.

thanx

 

Well I suppose that's true ln their part. Not their fault if msi gave them wrong specs. Maybe A 125 drop in price might be good not counting on it though. Let us know any updAtes please. Will go see them on monday.

 

OMG finally I can upgrade notebooks like a desktop with video cards? Although my 8800m GTS isn't too bad right now, but I don't even think it's the same heatsink screw configuration =/. But at least I could buy a gt725 THEN upgrade it to the 4870

 

actually the 8800M GTS in the Gateway FX is built into the motherboard, so you won't be able to remove it anyways. MSI is notorious for using MXM in their notebooks, but we have yet to see how the insides look like in the GT725, and faisalhero can't remove the cover (I think) without losing his warranty.

 

A guy I was talking to on a review he did about the 7811 FX said it was soldered to the board also. Makes me laugh, I had to do a solder job one time on this gal's notebook on the AC jack she had ripped out on the motherboard. She had some junko vid card, and it was actually removeable! I just laugh when something like my notebook has a built in vid card, I laugh while imagining I'm breaking laptops in my head.
In other words... Keep buying laptops! We want you to pay another 1200 bucks for a slight video card upgrade! yahhh... ( I'm breaking stuff in my head again thinking about this ).

 

Yeah, It was a letdown when I found out. Though currently it is one of the best bang for buck notebooks, I'm sure its value would have been further increased significantly if it used MXM. But it looks like this GT725 might snatch that title + it has a removeable graphics card (I know this because the GT725 chassis is loosely based off the MSI-1722 chassis). I don't know whether they changed it to MXM 3.0 or they stuck with 2.1 (MXM-III).

 

whats ur opnion on the processer do u reckon gt725 can be upgrade to a x9300 or 9000?

 

How is the battery life on the MSI GT725 when web browsing?

 

i have nt really tested it that much i was using it on battery yesterday but it was very dim so i used it in gaming mode and light so brighter. i think in gaimg mode(not playing game) its about 1hr or so in normal aout 2 hours
that is a estimate. more solid result will come in futures once i am done with all these bmarking

 

How do the speakers and sub woofer sound?

 

Well, I would normally say yes because a MSI 1722 has been shown to work with a QX9300, but that was with an updated BIOS methinks. The problem with the GT725 is that we'll need to know if the max output of its PSU compared to what the machine itself actually consumes, and if the BIOS of the GT725 would recognize the QX9300. I don't think it'll have any problems recognizing an X9100 though; the Gateway FXs were able to recognize the X9100 although it came with a lower end processor from the factory (X9000 wouldn't be worth it due to it's 800mhz FSB and it'll need more multipliers than is available in Centrino 2).

So basically we'll need to learn more about this machine.

Also, would you mind benching Devil May Cry 4 when you get the chance? The demo is here Sorry to litter your new uber GT725 with game demos

 

Hmmmm, that's what I figured with such a barebones body, and already Quad enabled, they just have to switch up the cards. If that's the case then I'll hold off till they drop with the 4870's in them while also keeping an eye on the Clevo M98.

 

The Gateway P6831-FX Started this whole revolution, but the GT725 I think will replace Gateway in starting a new revolution. The 4850 as of Now
is about equal to what the 8800m GTS was a year ago if you factor in the 8800m GTX was the fastest single solution at the time.

Gateway's 7811 is still a good buy, but honestly unlike last year with the 6831 where I wouldn't even think for a half second about buying anything else; the GT725 wins.

Now, unless Gateway throws out some kind of 4850 FX laptop, their days of being king of the mountain for price per FPS on laptops are over. Albeit the screen size on the 7811 IS 1900x1200 , whereas the cheaper model GT725 is 1680x1050; they do have that card to play.

The only way Gateway could be competitive to the Gt725 dollar to dollar is if they put a 9800m GT inside the 7811FX.

 

ichime i just tired dowloading dmc4 its like 5 hours to download so i ll try later in the nite see if internet speed become better.

 

Could I please find out how good the speakers sound? I have bad hearing in one of my ears so headphones aren't a good option for me. I'd really like to find out if the four speakers and sub sound good. Does it put off good bass response?

Also how does the screen look? Any clouding or anything?

 

sorry i know u ask twice but i am not good judge of these kind of thing as i m not much into music. but when i played game its good quality and make good sound base.

but i will recmond if some other gt725 owner answer this for u

 

haha, no problem. BTW, how is Crysis playing out for you? Do you get smooth framerates with high settings and such?

 

Only thing what is bothering me- this MSI G725 laptop doesn't have second HDD slot It would be really nice to have 2x 500GB in raid. And 4850 should have 1GB of memory, especially when you have the 1920x1200 screen. But 512mb works fine with 1680x1050. But with bigger screen and turning up the AA will benefit from that extra 512mb a lot. But still i am waiting for those gaming benchis to see what this laptop is really made out, and if i should excahnge it for my Gateway P7811FX.

 

yes crysis all on high was no pro at al 1680x 1050

i cant seems to complete bmarks after running 3 loop it give an error file cant found or something and i got war head install but cant seems to find bmark file in warhead

 

DX9 or 10?
And stats would be goood

 

Yeah, Crysis is very problematic. I had issues when installing it on my notebook; it still won't do benchmarks properly. BTW, are you using the Crysis benchmark tool from Guru 3d?

 

yup got that 2 but dont know howto use it when i run the bmark its like i m playing the game and i never finish i can keep on playing and when i close the game there is no result ? any idea?

 

hmm, did you install the Crysis updates? (1.2 and 1.21)? Maybe those may help. I actually had to reinstall Crysis at one point because the application would stop responding. Talk about a poorly coded game...

 

yup did that 2

have u used this tool i mean what is going on why cant i get any result? when u run the tool do u have to play the game aswell? is it how it supose to work?

 

You don't play the game. Basically you're supposed to enter parameters in the Crysis Benchmark tool (i.e. 1680x1050, noAA, Overall, high, Dx10 64bit etc.) then press the arrow to put it in the space on the right, and press begin. Then, when it's done running it, you save it and open it via notepad to view the results (or look at the bottom textbox for that).

Does it force you to play the game for you?