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    - The Official MSI GT60 & GT70-2OC (770m) Owner's Lounge -

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by IronSheik, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. Rhadamanthis

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    anyone have tried oc rock solid to 770m gtx safetiest?
     
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    To truly get the best you will just have to run the tests since every sample is different.
     
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    I need a laptop for working outside, im doing video editing and photo. At home i have 3930k, GTX 670, 32GB.. But now i need something to have when i am out. Im looking between MSI GT60 2OC-024US and MSI GT60 2OD-261US 3k ips. I know the differences btw GPU and display, but i don't know it worth the money i must pay for the 3k version. The first use is for video editing and some times play (BF$, i don't need high-ultra graphics). And maybe this two models are too powerful for what i need.

    1.The 95% screen worth?
    2. Its true that the G60 whit battery is 9lbs?

    Thanks
     
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    The 95% screens are very nice. Its one of those things you have to see in person to really appreciate it. For a computer that you're going to be using mostly in the field and not your main computer you could probably just use the stock screen.
    GT60 models are 7.71 lbs with 9-cell Battery, the GT70 get close to 9lbs though, 8.6 lbs with 9-cell Battery.
     
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    If you are frequently on the move, then it's best to carry a GT60 for its size and lower weight. In the end of day, that difference in weight can make a difference to you.
    3K IPS is just a feature that gives you the benefit of higher resolution (2880 x 2160) so you can view more content on the 15.6" screen.
    If you really don't need the extra GPU performance and high resolution then take GT60 2OC-024US (770M + 1080p) which is like $300~$400 less to pay from GT60 2OD-261US.
     
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    I ordered the MSI GT60 20C-022US. I am expecting delivery today. I am also having my SSD as well. I order the SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series 256GB SATA III MLC. I have went through all the pages so I my question my not have been or I may have missed it (which is more likely)

    I saw that to make my SSD the primary I will need put it in slot the hard will be in and put the hard drive in bay 2. That seems simple enough.

    My question is will I need to do a full reinstall of Win8? My assumption is yes I will. I have come across some info that says I can do an image of the original drive and then do the swap. I would prefer to do what would be best for the system. I do know I will need to make my recovery disk before I swap the drives or I may be screwed and have to by one from MSI. Do I need to make the recovery disks before or after I do all the updates I am sure will be needed or does it matter?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    You can just put the SSD in the open bay then tell the BIOS that is your main boot drive. Saves you a step that way since you wont have to move the stock HDD.

    It will be best to do a full install of Windows 8. You could clone it from the HDD but thats not recommended when going from HDD to SSD. To avoid potential headaches just do a fresh install to the SSD.

    I would make a recovery disc before you do updates. That way you'll need less discs and the updates will be quicker on the SSD.
     
  9. AmeriT

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    I am still shopping for a laptop. Cheapest I've seen GT60 or variant(cyber or ibuy) is $1300. Initially I decided for lenovo y510p but reading SLI reviews made me change my opinion.

    Whats the lowest price this laptop has been sold for? any past deals?
     
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    SLI is great if its done with good video cards. When you take two entry/mid range ones and put them in SLI it doesnt become great one as you have found in your research.

    Really havent seen the GT60 much lower then you've mentioned. When it comes to computers the price is really deteremined on the hard ware. When you spec out a computer with the same CPU/GPU you'll find similar pricing all across the board. The only time you'll see the prices start to drop is once the current hardware has been refreshed, but at that time you'll probably want the newer hardware :).

    Since we're in the holiday season the best thing to do is keep an eye out for any specials that may come up.
     
  11. Shed Your Soul

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    So I've been following this thread for a while, and my gt70 2oc comes tomorrow, and I was just wondering about drivers. I know that all the drivers are on the download tab of the msi website in regards to the specific laptop, but do I only need to download the newest one for each thing tomorrow, or should I download them all? Plus I remember talks about downloading drivers from different websites, and is there anything else I should worry about updating besides drivers?
     
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    Congrats on the computer!

    If you dont plan on changing the OS you dont have to download anything, they will all be installed.
    Most of the drivers are not updated often, only if there happens to be a problem with them. I would just start using the computer and if you find you need to update some then do so then. Drivers are a "if its not broke don't fix it" type thing. The only thing you may want to check for updates on are the video card drivers.
     
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    Hutsady is right.
    GT60 from cyber or ibuy is not the retail version built by MSI but a barebone version and warranty is 1-year instead of 2-year offered by the manufacturer.
    Most of customers prefer to customize their system with the original MSI-build.
    There are always concerns with SLI because of the extra parts used (GPU, FAN) with increasing risk of failure, and limitations or bottlenecks.
     
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    SLI makes sense for the highest end cards where there are no more powerful single chips available. Otherwise single chip is king.
     
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    Hi everyone, i bought my MSI GT70 a few days ago. And i have a question. Everytime i startup my laptop(from off or standby) the fans get really loud for like 3 - 5 secs... its a bit annoying....could someone please help me?
     
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    How come a Toshiba Qosmio X75-A7298 can output 4K Ultra HD and MSI gt 60 2oc cant?(How much can the MSI output) and How can this happen if both have the same GTX 770? Please explain
     
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    The Toshiba and these MSI models will output 4K however you will be limited to 30FPS on both models since neither use HDMI 2.0
     
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    I got my machine yesterday. I must stay I am not a fan of Windows 8 but it is early and my initial displeasure is the UI. I just do not like the interface but I will still give it a shot.

    My issue now is getting my SSD as my primary drive. I have created the recovery disks and I have my SSD installed on my machine now but I can't set it as my primay drive. I go into BIOS and it does recognize the SSD drive but when I go to change boot order to put my SSD first in the boot order it is not listed. This is what I get as my boot order

    CD/DVD
    USB CD/DVD
    Hard Disk:Windows Boot Manager
    USB Hard Disk
    Network:UEFI: Network IPv4 Device
    Disabled

    I have already ran the recovery disks once and was never even given the option to choose a drive. So I do not know where to go from here.
     
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    Do be aware if you press the Windows key and D at the same time it will take you to the more familar desktop.

    When you press enter on the top choice "CD/DVD" does it let you select another device to replace it with?
     
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    I think this question was directed at me...if not I apologize :)

    It does allow me to select another drive but only one the drives listed. It will not let me actually select any of the 2 hard drives in my machine the 1TB 5400 drive that came with it or the Samsung 840 SSD that I just put in. .
     
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    It was ;)

    On MSI you cant actually change the boot priorities. What you do is go down below those to the hard drive priorities then change that to the drive you want, then that will be the Hard Disk used for Boot 3.
     
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    This is where I am struggling. I can't select an actual drive and not sure why. When I go to BIOS I can see my drives. On the main page of BIOS I can select "SATA Information" and it will list my hard drives. WDC WD10JPVX-2 which is the hard drive and it will also show Samsung SSD 84

    When I go to the BOOT Tab neither of those drives is available. As it stands now boot option 3 is "Hard Disk: Windows Boot Manager" even when I hit enter under that drive I am given the option to either keep the windows boot manager or to disable it.

    This is what has me baffled. How is it I can see my drives on the main BIOS page but not see them as available drives under BOOT order.
     
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    That is odd. It sounds like you're doing it right but to double check you're selecting "UEFI Hard Disk Drive BBS Priorities" then selecting the drive you want right?
     
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    I would if I could. When I select it the only option I get is "Windows Boot Manager" I do not have the option to choose anything else.
     
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    What happens when you remove the stock drive from the computer?
     
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    I initially moved the stock drive and put it in the second bay and put the SSD in it's slot. When I did that and tried use the Recovery Disks at told me I had to put the stock drive back in it's original spot. Which to me was odd because what happens during a hard drive failure? How do I get my system back up then?
     
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    There is a hidden partition on the stock drive you use for recovery if needed. If that drive has a mechanical failure you would not be able to use it to restore and would have to use a Windows disc.

    I went down to our production room and messed around with one that we're building and talked to the tech thats working on it. Sounds like the best thing to do is to remove the stock drive totally then use a Windows 8 disc to do a fresh install on the new drive you want.
     
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    which sounds like I will have to buy a copy of Windows 8.

    but.....something you mentioned seemed to click on something. On my recovery disks I am given an option to also do a partition recovery. Maybe doing that will remove the partition and create a new one ie...let me do a recovery on the drive of my choice.
     
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    Your key is in the bios so it should activate. Its legal so long as you only run the os on that machine.
     
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    That is good to know but that leads to a new question.

    1. Where do I get a copy of the Windows 8 without having to pay for the license? Is that sold at stores like best buy? I don't know if many are familiar with Fry's (I call it best buy on steroids) they tend to have a lot of software so I could try there as well.

    2. Since the Key is in the bios I am assuming when I do a full install I will not be prompted to for the key. If I do get prompted what do I do in that instance.

    EDIT: I have been searching for how to get a copy of the disk and am finding that I you cannot even find regular window 8 anymore. Every where I go the option is for 8.1 only

    Another Edit: I managed to get my Windows Key I do not need to get a copy of Window 8 I can actually get 8.1 and go from there. I updated my system to 8.1 yesterday which was free. I used Belarc Advisor to get all my system info and it listed the Windows 8 key and the upgrade to Windows 8.1 and the keys were identical.
     
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    Yes 8 and 8.1 both use the same keys. Microsoft do provide the isos now.
     
  32. gust0007750

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    Guys in a gt 60 2oc the 5400 RPM is Sata II and msata is Sata III? and how does an msata compare to an SSD and a 7200 RPM in transfer and in game loading and environment rendering...Is msata as good as a real SSD? and I find it heart breaking that I buy a 1600 laptop just to use a 2.5 inch drive as my main gaming device is it not 2.5 inches?
     
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    Msata speeds are drive model and capacity dependant. The best are equal to their 2.5" brothers.

    Mechanical hard drives dont need faster than sata ii.
     
  34. gust0007750

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    When are they going to release this gt 60 2oc 3k version? or is it already available?
    MSI Global GT60 2OC 3K IPS Edition
    I dont know whether to buy a regular gt 60 2oc or wait :(
     
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    When are they going to release this gt 60 2oc 3k version? or is it already available?
    MSI Global GT60 2OC 3K IPS Edition
    I dont know whether to buy a regular gt 60 2oc or wait :(
     
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    It could be a little bit. If gaming is your concern then go for the 1080p or consider the barebone 780m with 1080p.
     
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    I was referring to the msata in the gt 60 2oc it is a 128gb now, how faster is that that when compared to a 7200 RPM or a regular SSD?
     
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    In the MSI GT60 2OC-024US, What is the Msata SSD type II or III and what is the Read/Write/Speed and the Data transfer? and if you happen to know the brand of the msata that was installed in your device please share that
     
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    I'm also waiting on this model.
    I've seen 'middle of december' as the estimated ETA, so I'd assume it will be on sale within the next week or two.
    I think it will be worth waiting for.
     
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    Essentially you don't have to worry about Sata II, III, etc. -- the manufacturer will handle that for you.
    (As Meaker said, they will match it up properly. It's in their best interest to choose sataIII mSSDs and hook them up to sataIII and vice versa for II and 5200 or 7200 rpm hdds)

    For the most part though, even the worst mSSD/SSD currently being used is going to be such a huge improvement over a normal hdd, so almost any choice they make should be good enough. If you are a benchmark fanatic, you can always spend more to add additional drives or swap the ones bundled but the real world differences will likely be negligible.

    Personally, I'm hoping they have a 3k 770m version that doesnt come with a ssd. This keeps the price lower and offers the end user a lot more flexibility in choosing a 250gb mssd or other aftermarket upgrades.
     
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    I still wonder what the Read/Write Speeds are for an Msata 128gb if you have any links for benchmarks please provide them, and it seems that MSI avoids putting larger SATA 256 gb drives because they would rather put 2 or more MSATAs in raid to show off their incredible speeds where asus and toshiba just stick with a regular SATA 256GB SSD..
     
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    MSI also had models with single mSATA SSD on few models that I've seen.
    The daughter board had another open slot, but this is probably back in Ivy Bridge.
     
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    The mSATA used can vary, but recently we've seen Sandisk X100 which have 500MB/s read and 420MB/s write speeds.
     
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    This SSD has been discontinued in Dec 2013, just to confirm you are referring to the Msata 128gb installed in MSI's GT60 2OC-024US?
     
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    I finally managed to get my SSD installed as my primary drive. Ironically, it was the simplest thing that makes me smack myself in the head for not thinking about it earlier. All I had to do was run the recovery disks with only the SSD's installed. Once the recovery was complete I installed the standard drive and format it to erase the original installation one it.

    The installation did something that does not make any sense though. It made my SSD into two partitions and it was not because I chose it to do that. When you use the recovery disk it does it all on it's own you just switch disk as I am sure you already know.

    My question is this. Is there a way to make it one just one partition so I can make use of the 90 gig that was put installed as the "D" drive?

    This is my SSD: SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB
     
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    Since its still Dec 2013 they may be going through the last of their stock. I didnt check the 024US specifically, just asked a couple of the techs who currently had some MSI computers being worked on which were in those and thats what they had. If we get a GT60 2OC-024US opened up for upgrades I'll ask them to check that model.
     
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    You have to use partition software to help you to wipe the recovery partition on the SSD to free up that 10GB.
    Additionally, you can uninstall any unwanted software using [Uninstall a program] under Control Panel as well.
     
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    EaseUS Partition Master Free Edition, I've used it a few times and it works great.
     
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    The Nvidia drivers seem to have slowed up my startup time. Rolled back to previous versions that I had no problem with, using DDU in safe mode, but the startup time is still not how it used to be before. Startup programs are the same, no other change has been made. Any idea that doesn't revolve around reinstalling Windows or a factory reset?
     
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