***The Official MSI GT83VR Titan SLI Owner's Lounge (NVIDIA GTX-1080's)***

The only thing I'm worried about is lack of multi GPU in almost every new game so far

 

he said his machine is 7920hq right? if default clock was higher than 6920hq then it just might go over 40x, maybe 41x

 

Yea, I got the 6920hq, I pushed it to 4.0 with a -130mv and it sits happy there. I'm kinda eager to see how the 7920hq performs as the clevo guys are getting 4.5 as a base in their 7700k's.

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7700k defaults to 4.5 yeah, but when clocked could go higher. 7920hq is kabylake though with optimization intel didn't really mention much on their mobile cpu lineup so not sure if frequency really went up or not.

 

The 7700K is looking like an inferno right now compared to the 6700K from initial reports, even at the same clocks. I wouldn't be surprised if the 7920HQ is the same compared to the 6920HQ.

 

What if, intel released the same chip with a different hardware ID and called it kabylake.

FURTHER, what if intel binned the best parts for skylake, then thought why not relable the worse binned ones for kabylake to save costs....

Makes you think doesnt it?



Then if we further think about the "exclusive" features kabylake has... netflix in 4k? seems a bit pointless to me but what would i know :O

 

Kaby Lake is able to hit higher frequencies much easier than Skylake. The jury is still out on the thermals. More than one user has reported high temps, but that could just be randoming a worse sample. We'll know more in a month or so when more people get ahold of them.

 

so I'm in a dilemma. I still have time to decide. Do I keep my new razer blade pro with the GTX 1080, or return this and grab the GT83VR with dual 1080s and the 7920HQ? I'm ripping my head apart, lol.

 

Run from razer... Their stuff just isn't built to last... I was a previous rbp owner... Even my Mamba has problems. Their battery in it blew up so now I'm also out a $140 mouse :/

 

My only issue with the GT83 is that it will be roughly the same performance as my RBP; since almost every new game in the last 8 months works better with a single GPU. The GT83VR is also 5100 bucks compared to 3700 for the rbp . I also have a good RBP (after 4 returns) with no issues. If games used multi GPU, I would jump on the GT83 instantly. First world problems and decisions ......

 

@HaloGod2012 it really depends what you are after, both machines have advantages and drawbacks. from what i hear the 1080's in the razer don't perform at full capacity.

the sli issue is a bit of a doozy, I myself hummed and hawed about it for quite some time, if you dont want to do sli I could also suggest the msi gt83 or the clevo dm2. both great machines in their own rights.

The other thing i would pry at is do you plan on hooking up your machine to an external moniter? because the gt83 only has a 1080@60htz*

Also as i mentioned earlier Dx12 and vulcan are still in their infancy so we stil have yet to see all they are packing.

*(I oc mine to 95 to match my main screen with no issues)

 

Hello, I actually don't plan on using an external monitor, which makes the GT83 more pointless for me. The 1080 in the RBP, with some light overclocking , is pretty close to a gtx 1080 FE. So it seems like with the panel in the titan, with or without sli support, I'll have one 1080 pretty much idle all of the time.

 

well, it is a new architect because of new igp and other video encode for h265 etc etc. but yeah temp i think people are over worrying, maybe just 1 sample.

i'd go for gt83vr. bigger display, socketed GPUs thats very possible to upgrade unlike RBP is dead end everything soldered. not able to replace CPU is not as bad as not able to replace graphics, cpu is at a point where it can't improve unless software catches up with the extension, which so far only few benchmark software able to do taht, and enterprise software which we dont use at all.

on the other hand nvidia is known to make their GPU outdates quick with newer released driver to make their latest graphics card run good but older cards fail so people would purchase new cards, its just their practice right now but you save yourself headache and sitll able to upgrade years down the road if you decides to do it.

MSI is much easier to do maintainence than a razer, 1000%

 

I used to own a GT80, I don't trust msi for uogrades anymore , lol. I wish they made a GT83VR with only a single 1080. I want the screen size and keyboard without the headache of sli.

 

yea, IMO if you already have the RBP and you are enjoying it I would tell you to stick with it.

if you are looking for more power, i would look to the msi, either this model or the gt73 as it has a 1080 and a 120htz screen.

i would push you to the gt83 if:
A) you are going to be using an external screen, I run an acer Preditor x34 and it runs everything beautifully.
B) you are looking for a "portable all in one"
C) you have lots of money youy have something against.

 

if you end up losing money i can see why you're upset but if you were able to trade in then its great. i think 2080 would be a refresh of pascal anyway so upgrade is definitely possible. if msi/nvidia decided to make 2080 not upgradeable from 1080 then these companies are complete trash. typical greed forces yearly upgrade type of stuff, just like general BGA laptop with only soldered cpu/gpu, for instance, razer blade pro.

if you really really wanted to, rid of RBP and get something more powerful then i'd go for p870dm3, those are all socket with desktop cpu and pretty cheap too when compared with MSI/RBP.

 

Then you are setting yourself up for dissatisfaction, as there will be games that you want to play that don't support SLI, or multi-GPU.

It's just part of the joy of owning an SLI machine.

If you aren't prepared to have a happy life irregardless, it's gonna get to you, bug you, and add up over time as each game releases without SLI support, increasing your justification for getting rid of it.

When you return yours for being unhappy with games you want to place not supporting SLI, it's not going to affect any of us long time SLI users, it's already something we are at peace with.

The question is, will you find the joy in using some / most of the games you play on SLI, and still enjoy the rest using a single 1080?

You've got it much easier than the rest of us have had, a single 1080 is more powerful than our combined 980m and 980 SLI performance, so for you it's not going to be a problem playing single GPU supporting games.

The multi-GPU support for VR and DX12 is supposed to be coming, but I wouldn't rely on it, enjoy the DX11 games that do support SLI, and run the ones that won't on single GPU, they should all play great

 

It don't see how Kabylake could put out less heat than Skylake at the same clock frequencies, or much higher thermal output at even higher clock frequencies than Skylake was able to reach.

They are the same process, perhaps optimized in some way to have fixed hot spots so that higher frequencies with higher thermal outputs will be reached, but there are no signs of anything done to reduce thermals at the same clocks.

 

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No, I'm saying that there's anecdotal evidence suggesting that it might run hotter than Skylake at identical settings. It's far from definitive, but it's a good reason to keep an eye on the situation before committing to purchasing a KBL machine. Once more users and reviewers purchase the new machines, we'll have a better idea of whether or not it's just been a statistical anomaly.

 

The are both very different machines.

The Razer Blade 1080 is only ever going to support 1 GPU, and in that regard you can have a fixed expectation for each game.

The Razer Blade 1080 is only gonna run as fast as everyone else with a single 1080; if you can get the Razer to run as fast as everyone else's single 1080 - I think it's not quite up to full power yet, but it's only just shipped so in time it might be just fine.

Razer's seem to run hot and fail often, I know that's not everyone's experience, but it sure seems like it's most peoples experience when talking with Razer owners that have had them for years on this board.

While 99% of the GT80 owners here haven't had any long term reliability problems, with a few notable exceptions - but robotic terminators out to destroy their laptops do pose an unusual circumstance

IDK about the GT83 series yet, but so far it seems to be good, if not a little noisy, but then again so is the Razer 1080

The GT83 is a much larger laptop, heavier, requires 2 PSU's all the time, and yet is awesome in it's own way due to those limitations.

If you can't bring yourself to live with SLI only working most of the time, but notably not on new games - even games that will eventually get SLI but not for months or longer - then stick with the Razer, we'll all be happier

 

I doubt it's running hotter, it's likely just the typical mfgr poor cooling or assembly we all see on new laptops.

Although I have heard that the 7700k/7600k *requires* delidding vs it merely being *recommended*, that could be what you are seeing.

Apparently Intel's IHS thermal mating work is even worse this release.

 

I would be more than happy with sli working only half the time , it just seems that it works 0 of the time for new titles lately.

 

Yeah, the SL folks are saying that the 7700K drops almost 20C with a delid, so either they're running hotter under load or the mating is even worse. The 6700K wasn't nearly that bad. One of the samples I was referring to was running hot even with a delid, so maybe the former, but it's still impossible to say for certain. Once the KBL-H notebooks come out, it'll be more clear since there's no IHS to complicate things.

 

My Razer blade pro was gimped and had constant heat issues and only had a 765m and was in the shop for repairs more than it was in my hands. I was computer less for an entire summer b/c Razer kept sending me DOA replacements. Even if a replacement worked it would only last for a few weeks or so. I would shut it down one night only to find it unable to power on in the morning.

 

Bf1 has decent dx12 multigpu support

 

That's where the 3rd fan comes in

 

But the keyboard tho....

 

Oh and the anti ghosting keyboard had software glitching and phantom strokes...
On ALL THE REPLACEMENTS I GOT FROM THEM

#ragequit

 

Then I wouldn't buy the SLI machine, you aren't longing for it, or even want it, and are only buying for the screen and keyboard.

There's a weight and size penalty for 1080 SLI that is well above the benefits of only the 18.4" screen and keyboard, the weight and bulk of 2 PSU's.

You can't run on only 1 PSU even if you disable one of the GPU's, the PSU's are locked together at the merging point, and no reports of anyone running a single 330w PSU to see if it works.

There aren't any single GPU 18.4" laptops this go around.

If there were a bunch of 18.4" laptops, maybe the LCD makers would start offering more choices of resolution and refresh in that size

 

If the problem with the "K" CPU's is the IHS poor thermal job, raising temps 20c higher overall, then that won't affect the Laptop CPU's.

The 7700HQ, 7820HK, and 7920HQ come bare, with no IHS

 

Yes, that's exactly what I said in my last post.

 

I'm still on my GT80s. Its fallen off an Uber Truck (don't ask) and been run over by a 120+ lb robot at like 10 ft+/sec and it still runs BF1 at 55 fps on ultra at 100%res.

My friends always called my Razer a worthless $3k paperweight.

They call my gt80s a tank.


Razer also (after promising indefinite support) pulled the plug on SBUI and lied to us owners about the dev forum which they said was being renovated and would be back... Still isn't back.

When I first bought the laptop some of the sbui apps didn't work... 1 year later most stopped working properly...

My advice... Stay AWAY from Razer.

There were other problems too and my brother had had issues with his blade 2014....

 

@hmscott I tried and the converter box requires both psu's to be plugged in.

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The Kabylake frequency improvements are likely only creation process or minor layout improvements after studying the Skylake parts coming off the line.

New lay out's some areas, or changing the process chemistry could account for the improvements.

This silly idea of binning parts from K CPU's to make "bad" Laptop CPU's is brainless thoughtless rumor, and has been dispeled many times, but it just keeps coming back.

Intel is making "Zombie" Laptop Parts from Living "K" CPU's -> horror film at midnight.

 

I'd be very surprised if MSI pulled a Dell and used a sense pin to identify what was actually plugged in. I'm sure you could buy an ADP-330 and use it with SLI disabled.

 

Probably. I kinda want to see if I can bother one of the HID evolution or eurocom techs into plugging in their new 700w power brick into the gt83.

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I think you meant to say the "Internal Display" only does 1080 @ 60hz native, OC'able to 100hz, which most have been able to reach, sometimes more, sometimes a little less.

To support external displays there are lots of ports

 

I would bet dollars to donuts that it works just fine. Just need to make sure MSI didn't make theirs proprietary by swapping pin polarity or something. I'll check when I receive mine and test it on my GT80 if it looks kosher.

 

Dude, 4 returns?? That's not a good sign for long term use either.

This is typical for Razer, with following failures throughout the lifetime of the unit, including past warranty coverage. So get 3-4 years of extended warranty coverage as it's the only way you are going to be able to keep that Razer running.

There are a lot of games that still come out with DX11 versions that support SLI, the rest we can play on an Xbox, or single GPU on the our SLI rigs.

It's easy to point and complain, it's cooler to look at the positives and enjoy what you have

 

Yes sorry. I run the x34 as my main display with the gt83 off to the side in place of the normal desktop.

My x34 gets up to 95 hertz before I get flickering issues. I have yet to figure out if it's the cable which has a female display port to male mini display port between it and the laptop.

I set up the gt83's display to be the same, though I got it up to 100 no issue.

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Not really, there are new games that even with a single 1080 can't make 60 fps at Ultra 1080 settings, so that 2nd GPU will push it over 60 with higher settings.

And, with the display OC'd to 100hz, you can run 100 FPS no problem

Most games on a single 1080 still won't run at 1080p 120 fps at Ultra settings, so the 120 hz screens are going to be running games right at the physical limits of the GPU and CPU, better to tone it down a bit and limit it to 100hz, and let the parts run cooler and quieter.

 

Sounds good. Though isn't the gt80 power limited to 330w?

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That's a good point, the Razer GPU is soldered so a failure is going to require new motherboard, or a surface mount pull of the GPU - wonder what the success rate of that is?

Of course that doesn't really matter to us during warranty, but after warranty is up, the single MXM GPU should be cheaper than a whole motherboard with CPU and GPU.

 

Dude, then why are you doing this again?

MSI gave an upgrade path, noone else did, but at least MSI is trying to fulfill their GPU upgrade promise.

If you already ordered the GT83, and have GT80 experience, you shouldn't need to be asking these questions, just enjoy what you have and are getting

Get rid of that limp Razer, and enjoy your awesome new GT83

 

Haha I wasn't thinking, I was going to use it to make sure it's the right polarity, but the GT80 is known to use the same adapter as the P870 series so if MSI changed it it would only be for the GT83. What would need to happen is someone with a GT83 adapter would need to plug it into a GT80 to see if it worked. Or vice versa, but the GT83 is a lot more expensive if something goes afoul for whatever reason.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't keep the Razer, but the GT73VR is a good suggestion, the single 1080 GT73VR model is the sweet spot of the MSI offerings right now.

Although the 1070 SLI GT73VR is pretty cool too

I don't think the 120hz TN screen is worth giving up the 1080 IPS GT8X series screen at 100hz.

@ryzeki is happy with his GT73VR and it's TN screen

 

It's easy to disable SLI, and not that hard to disable the 2nd GPU device.

For that matter, you could pull one of the GPU's, and run single that way too

Recently someone with a GT80 SLI-263 pulled both 980m's to sell, and is living on the iGPU only, wild right?

 

Ssd is also soldered I believe so if it fails u lose all files (not that they don't automatically wipe it anyways)

 

Nah, Razer doesn't solder the SSD/RAM in the top end model, that would be nutz... links?