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@hmscott i was just wracking my brain on how to do that. lol i havent used any of those tools since early highschool.......6 years ago. lmao

Edit: I haven't had this thing a week and I'm already thinking about swapping stuff around in it. I'm thinking about stuffing the HDD into the DVD Bay with a drive caddy and putting my 240gb Kingston in its spot as an OS.

 

Unfortunately the DVD SATA is v. 1.5 which isn't fast, but for an older SSD it might be ok for a large storage drive - IDK if I'd want the OS on it, kinda slow.

Glad you are having fun, it's magical joy in the first few months.

 

You sure? The GT80S had SATA 6Gbps for the optical bay.

 

@NuclearLizard

That wouldn't make much sense, as I recall the GT80S 2.5" was downgraded to SATA II as well, so check that one too. Why would the optical port be upgraded and the storage drive port downgraded to SATA II?

As I recall, the GT80S needed PCIE lanes to drive the 2 new M.2 PCIE x4 slots, so 1 M.2 SATA slot was retired and the 2.5" SATA III was downgraded to SATA II.

Someone is gonna need to check the GT83VR to make sure. Check for the port SATA level and with a drive connected.

You need to check with a drive connected that supports SATA III, as the interface may read as SATA III, but the connection only shows as SATA 1.5.

What does it say with the DVD/BD drive connected?

hwinfo64 works well for this too.

 

I had an SSD installed in the optical bay. Both the drive and interface showed SATA 6Gbps, and it performed at full speed.

 

As I recall, the GT80S needed PCIE lanes to drive the 2 new M.2 PCIE x4 slots, so 1 M.2 SATA slot was retired and the 2.5" SATA III was downgraded to SATA II.

Why would they waste bandwidth on the optical port, when it was SATA 1.5 in the GT80 previously? The throughput was enough for DVD / BD, and that's what was put in that slot on the GT80S.

How many MB / Sec did you get from that SSD on that port?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...n-owners-lounge.769092/page-464#post-10135441

 

The most likely reason they removed the fourth M.2 slot is because it overlaps with the others. MSI opted to put gigantic thermal pad blocks underneath and above to sink heat from the NVMe drives, and the third drive would have cut straight through them. CDM was reporting the full 500 and change MB/s. If you look at the CM236 datasheet, if you put the NVMe devices on lanes 15-18 and 23-26, you can fit 4 SATA 6Gbps devices on lanes 19-22 and 6 if a max of one NVMe drive is installed, so it's not like they were cannibalizing controller ports from other devices.

My reseller asked MSI for me before I purchased and said the same thing. But as I'm sure you know, when it comes to specs and other things MSI is often the poster child for the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

 

Yup rarely a clear line to the real info on ports with MSI, I don't recall someone posting the real speeds of both 2.5" SATA ports on the GT80S before now, thanks for the info, now I wonder how the GT83VR does, @NuclearLizard ?

 

Geeze you guys get real busy when I sleep. Lmao morning.

From my tinkering in the various things that show stuff. If I recall correctly the 2.5 inch Bay is sata 3 with 6gb/s and the DVD drive is sata 2.

Now I don't think you guys caught what I meant -that might have been my wording sorry if it was- but what I'm after is install the ssd in the HDD Bay as the OS drive as running my old laptop and my new one side by side I don't notice a whole lot of difference in OS times and "snappyness" and then move the HDD to the drive Bay as an archive drive to make backups or for things like media/photos /documents.

I thought it would be a quick little project as I have all the parts already (save the drive caddy but that's 6 dollars at my local shop).

Spoiler: What HWinfo is reporting

Spoiler: I'm playing witcher 3

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thats good find bro. z170 chipset is a bit different than cm236 where as total of 6 sata 6gbps devices share lanes with 3 pcie nvme ssds. so if you used two pcie drives then remaining only two 6gbps sata port can be used while rest are 3gbps i think.

 

Four of the SATA devices share HSIO lanes with one NVMe and two share lanes with another. If you use the 0 and the 2 NVMe allocations, you have 4 6Gbps left.

 

It likes undervolting because the way it's set, the voltage range is far wider than it would be on a desktop board. This allows them to generalize the other voltage settings that you do not see. Thus giving a broader range for default, since default scales with core clocks. Just not as optimal in laptops.

 

Ah ok, so if i understand right they over loosened the tolerances so that they could just shoot it out the door?

Edit: also i found out why the wither 3 is so smooth even after a bunch of mods where installed. its capped at 60fps. well within Gsync territory.

 

Pretty much so.

Ah, that would do it. And for the record....G-Sync does work. I could totally see it while playing GTA V.

 

I haven't gotten to see it due to everything being buttery smooth. lmao.

before i start playing around more im looking for something that i can cap the top end of my FPS with....riva turner was for that correct?

also does anyone know the dimensions for the BD drive?

 

Almost definitely a standard 9.5mm optical drive, but you should double check yourself. If it's anything like the GT80S, it's pretty easy to remove.

 

Yea im looking at it, it looks a lot like the drive in my asus which is a 9.5 for sure. I've pretty much decided to keep it. ( like it a lot and I'm quite satisfied as I can OC the cpu to 4.0 which allows space engineers to run well) So I'm gonna go about making it mine.

 

was hoping for a thicker space like 12.5mm lol

aside from two NVMe pcie slot, one BD bay and one 6gbps 2.5" storage bay, what other storage connection are there?

 

I think there is a standard m.2 sata in there.

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m.2 sata? 6gbps or 3gbps? given the BD bay and 2.5" bay already at 6gbps im assuming that m.2 sata is now 3gbps?

 

BD Bay is 3gbs I thing the m.2 and 2.5 are 6gb's




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That's from HWInfo, which will give the current link speed, not what the controller is capable of. That's why it's showing 1.5Gbps, which I guarantee you will not find on any motherboard from the past few years. There was some software package which would show the controller's maximum link speed, but I've forgotten what it's called. In any case, I would gladly bet $50 that if you put a 6Gbps device into a caddy and installed it, it would give you the full speed.

 

Ahh ok....well when I pick up the caddy I'll try it. I want to move the 1tb HDD to that Bay to use for backup and archival.

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Definitely can't go wrong doing that even if they regressed the ODD bay to 3Gbps for some reason, since it'll never saturate that. Incidentally, be careful if you're pulling the bezel from the ODD, since it's very easy to snap one of the tabs off. I did that by accident and ended up supergluing that one to my caddy and ordering a new one from MSI to replace the one on the ODD.

 

Yea I did that with my Asus.

I figured it would be a sensible upgrade as save for a single part I have all the peices. Plus I'm a tad skittish about keeping my OS on the NVME drive as I have been hearing about high rates of infant mortality with OEM drives.

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best is to have two 2.5" SSD in raid 0, aside from the two nvme pcie ssds. that last m.2, well its alone.

 

Or, run all 3 M.2 slots as SATA III, and RAID0 all 3

And, it used to be possible to add the 2.5" into the RAID0 for 4x speed.

You need to find the same SSD model/size in 2.5" and M.2

Not all MSI's do, the MSI 16L13 is the last I heard confirmed to work RAID0'ing the M.2 + 2.5" - @Diversion did it with his MSI 16L13.

 

Raid generally never cares what kind of drives are being used if you're going for RAID0.. You can stripe multiple makes and models.. and even speed.. My only recommendation is that the drives share similar read/writes to make make the most of the striping. Raiding the 2.5" to a single m2 runs great.. Both drives are Sata6 that cap out the Sata6 bandwidth of 550mb/sec.. And I benched the raid0 setup to do exactly a peak of 1.1gb/sec read and about 900mb/writes.. So it's a solid setup.

 

Although you can experiment with different disks in RAID, my best results are when you match the drives make / model uniformly across the array, including 2x RAID0.

There's really not much effort required to match the drives, there are lots of M.2/2.5" same make / model / size choices.

JBOD is a different story, you can mix drives, and speeds to get the most out of what you have.

There are other proprietary implementations that let you mix and match drive sizes and makes / models, but then you are still limited to replacing drives of a combined like size when failing in a new replacement drive.

JBOD vs. RAID
http://www.raidinc.com/blog/jbod/jbod-vs-raid

JBOD vs. RAID Features and Advantages:

Fundamentally, JBOD, means “just a bunch of disks” combined and presented to the OS. JBOD has some big advantages including the fact that each of the drives in a JBOD arrangement can be accessed from the host computer as a separate drive.

RAID, which literally means “redundant array of inexpensive/independent disks”, has traditionally been the standard for configuring multiple hard drives. RAID Types include: RAID 0 (striping), RAID 1 and its variants (mirroring), RAID 5 (distributed parity), and RAID 6 (dual parity).

JBOD vs. RAID Scalability: JBODs are preferred by many as they are relatively easy to scale by just adding another drive. The JBOD configuration also allows for the combined space of all the drives to be used by the end Operating System. You can also mix different disk sizes in JBOD.

RAID treats a collection of drives as a single storage unit, so RAID configurations don’t allow different disk sizes to be used in the array. It requires all drives to be of similar capacity and model type.

 

I have a JBOD raid for basic storage connected to my NAS at home.. I threw in all my spare old drives from way back when (mid 2000s to late 2000s) and was able to create a single 2.5TB storage solution.. While JBOD is a dangerous setup, if one drive goes out, you'll lose everything.. it's been up and running for 2+ years to my surprise!

 

Yup, if you get a good set of drives they'll run for many years

 

Lol it's a mess of drives.. two VelociRaptors mixed with a Seagate and Hitachi, etc.. it's hilarious really and it works fine.

 

I got my GT83VR in, and my excitement has turned into disgust

I can not even run 3dMark spy demo without it crashing with a driver error. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the temperature of the graphics cards because they start off fine and as they start "howling" the demo just crashes. I have tried games too... in about 3-5 mins they crash also.

I'm uploading a video to share on youtube. Man this really sucks, I really liked this keyboard, I honestly would never go back to a desktop, but now I'm not so sure...

 

I had the same issue as well. I haven't solved time spy but a lot of my other issues have been solved by nipping out dragon control center, Norton and fiddling around with a new driver.

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well the failure rate of SSD is pretty high lol i get scared when i do that. i have had samsung/sandisk/crucial SSDs all fail on me.. but i owned maybe 30 ssds and thats 3.. 10% failure rate is pretty high.

 

uninstalled norton and dragon commando center, still no good

 

Interesting.....I haven't gotten that error it....just refuses to run. I think I'm running 375.63(?need to confirm ) maybe try that. The only thing I could think of in this case would be to use NVinspector or a similar driver loader/unloader to strip out any possible left over bits.

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER as the only guy that I know of that really does benchmarks might you have some insite?




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Overall the failure rate seems lower (than what you experienced). We sell a lot of the Samsung Evos and I almost never see those come back.

 

@Alkaline i made a video through shadow play but im pretty terrible at it. sorry.....

Spoiler: TimeSPY run

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/15930354? - bonus stock time spy run....be nice i was also pulling video through nvidia shadow play because my phone was in another rooom

 

I fixed my problem!

You need to go to the nvidia website and dowload the latest 375 driver. The geforce experience does not auto update and this is causing problems, so you need to go to the geforece website, choose 1080 (NOTEBOOK) and then windows 10 x64 bit.

This new driver fixes the issue and now I am able to run 3d mark, play games, its all good. I'll be posting me review shortly.

Hrm I only got 19500 in firestrike? About the same as a single 1080GTX? I'm guessing the cpu is lowering my score?

 

Yea that's pretty much what I had to do...the provided driver isn't all that great.
Which cpu do you have?
Did you check for sli being enabled?

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i7-6920hq

here is my video review:

 

You can get bad make/model or a bad batch, I have had similar high failure rates on occasion, but overall I haven't had many RAID0 failures.

Once they "burn-in" for a couple of weeks, while running data through them to exercise for failures, and they live through that I haven't had a failure.

The secret is don't rely on them until you have tested them

 

Yea, that's the same cpu I have. If you have XTU you can bump it up...I have managed to get mine to play nice with a 4.0ghtz and a -130mv on core. I'm still tweaking cache and haven't even played with GPU yet.

Though if your looking for gaming I find it works well enough....maybe a little tweaking helps in Arma3, space engineers, and the like.

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It has been mentioned and explained many times before. You should use the Graphics score and physics score of your system in firestrike to gauge the relative performance. The overall score is a bad metric.

Your GPU score is 37k which is very good, although maybe not as high as it could be. For comparison, my stock 980m SLI score is around 18-19K, so you are getting literally twice the GPU score out of the box.

And yeah, I would recommend installing the latest stable drivers using DDU, if anything goes wrong. Sometimes reinstalling drivers ends up causing problems, like 3dmark won't launch, full screen won't work etc, and those are fixed by reinstalling/upgrading.

 

Keep in mind, not everyone will reach those clocks and undervoltage setting It is best to find out on your own which settings work best. A bad setting is a quick way to autocrash your system.

 

I thought that might have been implied already, though I'll keep in mind its a much bigger pond than I anticipated. lol.

does anyone know if the 3.5mm headphone jack is connected to the internal DAC?

 

"Not all procs were built equal".

 

If it's like the GT80S, the ESS Sabre DAC is connected to the gold-plated jack.