***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

Okay people, lets tone down the bickering hahaha. Some are exploding due to the temp findings.

Striker's post hits spot on on how similar opinions can be very diverse. Cloudfire is probably right in that the issue on the CPU is partially attributed to the long distance it travels before reaching the exhausts. However, Talon is quite more spot on that what others have noticed so far. The CPUs are indeed drawing more power on their turbo boost state. After trying several settings yesterday, I found out the following regarding my 4720hq:

Turboboost cannot be maintained in 3.6ghz state at all. At best, it can cope with it at around 1 minute before reducing itself between 3,3 and 3.5ghz. So far, it seems 3.4ghz is the most stable constant clockspeed. It can boost to 3.5 and 3.6 but as mentioned before, it will go back to 3.3-3.4 anyways.

After limiting power on turboboost to 53w, and reducing the max ratio to 34 instead of 36, plus undervolting to -65mv so far my max temp seems to be 80°C and my clocks seem solid.

Also, a cooling pad does work to shave off a couple of degrees. Since the bottom panel is a big intake and the center is the CPU, it does help it.

I think the cooling design is exceptional and so far I am quite impressed with the build quality and performance. The only way to really improve the CPU cooling though, would have been to add an additonal fan for it, but that would have taken extra space. I don't mind the current design because the temps are under control, isolated from the GPUs, and the GPUs themselves have fantastic temps even overclocked.

I should try turbo fan with some tests, to see how temps fare with max fans haha

After I return home from work duties, I will open up the machine and see how we can mod it for cool running temps all around

But please do try Talon's advise. I think my machine was unstable at -75mv but I will keep trying.

 

Two new GT80 SKUs are inbound soon, most sources found are pointing towards mid-Feb release dates. These configs could be off a bit, but should be close. Sorry if this has been mentioned already. The 970m SLI actually sounds enticing to me. I wonder if they will include the heatsink for the missing card on the single GPU SKU.

GT80-047
i7 4720HQ
SINGLE 980m 8GB card
16GB DDR3 2*8GB
256GB SSD M.2 Raid (128gb each)
1TB 7200RPM
Approx. $2600 US

GT80-071
i7 4720HQ
SLI 970m 6GB cards
16GB DDR3 2*8GB
256GB SSD M.2 Raid
1TB 7200RPM
Approx. $2700 US

 

Very interesting Ryzeki. Thank you for doing that testing. I am sure some of the 4980hq owners will be doing the same.

Question for you. nowing that your cpu clockspeed is going to be around

Obviously, it can only be a guess, but do you feel confident that your CPU (figuring it will be clocking in on average at 3.3 ghz to 3.4ghz) will be enough to deliver enough power to support 1080p 60fps gaming for the next 3 years? It seems like that even if the CPU is bottlenecking the 980m sli configuration, the FPS output is well over 60fps (granted, I know the CPU plays more into minimum FPS which could be the issues in a few years time).

 

What will this end up doing to the pricing of the gt72? I cannot imagine getting a GT72 when you have the GT80-047 option with a better screen, slightly more storage and a mechanical keyboard.

The 970M sli option is also very interesting as while not every game supports sli, I have generally found that the games that would benefit the most from it generally do have decent profiles and the ones that do not are more CPU bound anyway (Company of Heroes 2 may be the exception here).

 

I was thinking the exact same thing. At this price point, I think the GT72 either has to see a fairly large price reduction, or its probably going to be dead in the water. Both of these SKUs make the GT80 more attractive, and at the very least the buy in price is much easier. You could buy in with a single 980m sku, and down the road upgrade with a second GPU.

 

You are welcome!

And yes, I am confident my CPU will be enough to support 1080p 60fps easily. The thing is, right now both current CPU choices are really close in terms of performance. So by the time my CPU is useless for gaming, so will the 4980HQ. Considering people, right now, game even on dual core Core i3s, i'd say 4720hq should be enough for 3 years.

If you notice, current development of APIs are shifting the burden OFF of the CPU, to get more juice out of it and focus on the GPU. At 3.4ghz quad core with HT, i'd say that is enough power for gaming in general. Even old CPUs from the first gen core i7s are still very much capable at gaming.

And well... for example, I ran bioshock infinite benchmark maxed out, and I think (don't remember but will recheck on wednesday/thursday) that I ended up with an average of 326fps. I am not worried about 60fps for quite a while haha

 

GT80-71 seems like an excellent deal. Great find! Personally I would have still gone for my 001, but I can definitely see the appeal of 970m SLI powerhouse for considerably cheaper price.

 

which turbo boost Power do i set to 53?

Turbo Boost Short Power Max, Turbo Boost Power Max?

 

Well i changed both of them to 53, and turbo multi to 34/34/34/34 and -65mv undervolt and temps during about 10 mins of Heaven maxed, resulted in CPU temps at 80c, 82c, 79c, 77c. and GPUs 71c and 83c, i'd say thats pretty impressive for afew quick settings, now just waiting on my CLU to arrive and copper heatsinks and a proper cooler.

 

The GT72 is still fairly lap usable and quite a bit more portable, certainly there is still a place for it.

 

Bad news fly!
http://tech4gamers.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980m-also-memory-problem/
Time to return your machines.

 

Here's another lie: http://gamenab.net/2015/01/26/truth...using-vesa-adaptive-sync-technology-freesync/
Can you guys test G-Sync on the GT80?

 

Just in case if you forgot:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...ffers-low-laptop-replacement-bumpgate-victims

 

WHATS UP GUYS I HAVE THE 001 MODEL AND I WAS HAVING A BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH THE MOUSE TOUCH PAD. WHEN I FIRST GOT THIS LAPTOP ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO I NOTICE WHEN I ACTIVATE THE NUMBER PAD IT DONT GIVE ME ANY HEPTIC FEEDBACK WHEN I PRESS THE NUMBERS, THEN ONE DAU O SHUT DOWN THE LAPTOP AND FOR SOME REASON THE TOUCH PAD NO LONGER ACTIVATED THE NUM PAD AT ALL. SO I UNINSTALLED THE DRIVERS RESTARTED THE LAPTOP THEN I RE INSTALLED THE DRIVERS
AND IT WORK AGAIN HAS ANYONE HAD THIS PROBLEM IS THIS A HARDWARE PROBLEM OR SOFTWARE PROBLEM

 

Are you sure you don`t have problems with the caps lock as well?

 

no the cap locks works fine

 

long time lurker here , do you guys think this laptop will run fine stock all day long for at least three years , im one of the few that doesn't need to overclock but i do need the laptop to run at least 12 to 20 hours a day and stay cool and reliable

 

Perhaps an ignorant question on my part, but does this apply to the 8gb 980m cards as well or just the 4gb 980m cards? If it does apply to the 8gb 980m cards then wow.

 

Many options here.

Downclock the CPU with Intel XTU.
Downvolt the CPU with Intel XTU
Try bridging the CPU and GPU heatsinks
Lifting the notebook further with rubber feets or using cooling pad

 

Yes keep it clean and without any alterations you will be fine I would say.

 

Sellers like Xotic offer additional heatpipe, maybe that can help. But i heard the warranty will be voided?

 

Sorry I couldn't respond. I did place 53W on both as well. Good to hear it is indeed working for you as intended and temps seem great! With CLU and copper mod, it should reduce temps further.

Will it be on 100% load on both CPU and GPUs for 12-20 hours continously? If yes, I do advise to first undervolt to keep temps even lower. Then again, if it will be on full load all that time, might as well try turbo fan from the get go! Heh

I'd say that good maintenance like cleaning vents and keeping it dirt/dust free, and you should be fine! The system runs very cool and so far, completely reliable.

 

Thanks for the tips , it will not be at 100 percent load but more like 40 to 60 percent

 

Hmmmmm, I may have been concerned with CPU temps over nothing. I think I may have found the problem, and why temps are a bit warmer than expected. Seems MSI shipped these notebooks with the Dragon Gaming Center set to 'Sport Mode', by default. In otherwords, the notebooks have OC applied (both CPU & GPU) right out of the box, and this was not expected, and I overlooked the Gaming Center settings. I'll be running some test soon in 'Comfort Mode, and let's see how this affects the CPU temps..... they should drop significantly. For more info, see the following link:

Power saving in MSI Notebooks?

Also, I would appreciated it if some other owner's could benchmark with this setting, and report you temps as well. I will be running Sky Diver for comparison.

THX!

 

That is correct! we ship these units out with "sport mode" applied by default. lets see what the temps look like when comfort mode is applied.

 

Thanks Geno! You guys are SUPER! Pass it on to MS. V that I am feeling a little better now,

Well, 'Comfort Mode' indeed helps the temps, and I'll probably remain in this mode during general use, and we definitely don't need an OC applied 24/7. In spite of a reduction in benchmark scores, the scores are still outstanding, and in 'Sport Mode', the improvement in gaming frame rates will be marginal overall.

I decided to look at both Sky Diver and Fire Strike in 'Comfort Mode', and in Sky Diver the CPU temp dropped 5 degrees C, and GPU temps dropped an average of 11 degrees C. Interestingly enough, Fire Strike seemed to benefit the most, with the CPU temp dropping 8 degrees C, and GPU's dropping an average of 10 degrees C.

Ambient room temps are @72F/22C.





Also for those interested, I ran the Unigine benchmarks (default settings) in the 'Comfort Mode', CPU peaked at 85C, and the GPU temps were 57C and 69C. These are older benchmarks and not updated often. As such, they report the onboard GDDR as only 4GB each.



Enjoy!

 

Just made an account to say that I'm now a proud of owner of a GT802QE. Had a GT60 with a 675MX so this should be a big upgrade. Gotta say though the keyboard is kinda messing me up a little bit but getting used to it will be the fun part.

 

Hi Jiki05, Welcome to the Party!

Upgrade? HUGE UPGRADE! ENJOY!

 

Wouldn't we generally be running in sport mode though especially later in the life of the notebook where maintaining 60fps in 1080p may become an issue?

 

Thanks, Striker. So far everything that I've thrown at it it just doesn't hiccup. Best gift I've given myself in awhile, Lol. Now to find a great monitor to hook up to.

 

Oh I wouldn't worry. I am sure users will come with some mods that will keep temps even under 80.

 

Sorry, but I am not following the question..... the Sport Mode setting is a manufacturer applied overclock preset, of both the CPU & GPU's, and with this powerful notebook, I cannot see where frame rates will ever be a problem in 1080P.



Did you understand the question ryzeki? LOL! Please explain it too me.

 

Oh he simply means that in a couple of years, we will need sport mode as default to run super demanding games at 60fps 1080p hehe

 

LOL! Sorry, I was having one of my idiot moments.

 

Sorry, I was not as clear with my question/point as I wanted to be (Late night of legal document drafting). My point was that as the machine gets older, overclocking of the CPU/GPU may be needed to maintain 60fps at 1080p on "ultra" settings and thus we will encounter these high temps later in the life of the machine out of necessity (realizing of course, that some people may "upgrade" their gpus at some point).

Thus, it's great that we don't need all that power now and can run in a normal clock setting, but down the line that power will probably be needed and thus those temps will need to be encountered.

For example, the Firestrike number in comfort mode above is nice, but it's not what I would consider great for a 980m sli machine. It is probably all that is needed for games today, but at this price point I am more concerned about two years from now.

 

I'd say you shouldn't worry. 4980hq can't really get higher temps, and 980m is so cool you can definitely push it.

 

Ok, noobish question. I've been playing some of my games in windowed fullscreen but now that I ran a game that was in fullscreen I get a ton of blueish flicker. I've tried changing the resolution and that helped a little bit but still get some flickering.

 

Congrats! Do be sure to use the included wrist rest, it made a difference for me on how the keyboard felt.

 

Ok, gotcha now..... again, Sport Mode is just a manufacturer OC preset, and there are 3rd party OC tools that will do the same and a lot more. As to upgrades, future GPU's will be more efficient and cooler...... and even if you never upgrade, by the time this system lacks gaming performance, your grandkids will ask, "What is that old thing Grandpa?"

I think you may be overthinking things a bit, and as ryzeki points out, don't worry. This notebook is a gaming monster, and will give many gaming DT's a run for the money. To give you an idea, I still carry my GT783 (Intel 2860QM, and a single 580M) on road trips, and it still games nicely, and most, fluidly.

 

No noobish questions here.... there are only questions, and heck, I ask questions all the time.

Tell us about your system model number and config, which game, is the game SLI compatible, have tried the game on a single GPU, have you read the game's FAQ's page for known issues, and does the game have any available updates?

 

I have two questions, but first, if anyone is experiencing a strange lag between your left and right touchpad buttons (I doubt it's been noticed since we mostly use a mouse) I found and posted a solution to the issue.

My first question: Has anyone found as good cooling pad for this laptop? My current cooling pad doesn't well. I'd prefer if the cooling pads is intended to be placed in a lap.

My second question: Has anyone attempted to bridge the CPU cooling pipe to the GPUs? I have no issue with the temps, but I do enjoy tinkering and find the idea intriguing.

 

Model is GT80 2QE i7 4720HQ 16GB 2xGTX980M. Ok, so I tried running Diablo3 through Nvidia Geforce Experience and optimized it. Blizzard doesn't support SLI but Nvidia does. Now the flickering isn't so bad but when its on the loading screen it would just flicker really badly. Reading through the internet and found that people with this problem said that its the SLI bridge connector. I don't know if a laptop has that. This is my first SLI laptop so, fish outta water here.

Edit: I'm using Nvidia Driver 344.79 if its make any difference.

 

I would try forcing vertical sync either on or off in nvidia control panel and matching the setting in game as well so if your forcing it off in nvidia control panel do the same in game and try that.

And if it is the SLI connector it's a long black ribbon that connects the video card on the far left and far right that goes right over the middle of the CPU, remove black plate and check and tighten the connector on each video card.

 

Can you guys please post the results of the VRAM bandwidth test[1] for a GT80 with 980M?
[1] http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/does-the-geforce-gtx-970-have-a-memory-allocation-bug.html

 

Be very careful because the sli cable is locked down with the 4 gpu screws 2 on each side with a plate holding it directly so it will not come loose. But if you loosen those screws holding the plate you could degrade your gpu cooling.

 

So it was the SLI bridge. It must have gotten unseated somewhat during shipping. I just took em out and reseated em. Started Diablo3 in fullscreen and no more blue flickering. I was afraid I might have to send it back after only using it one day, LOL.

Edit: Yeah, I made sure not to move the bottom part. Only took out the top part with the 2 screws.

 

Wow that's a great find maybe they didn't have it connected right from the oem build because with it being bolted down it would not come loose. Glad to hear you found it especially if others experience this.

 

Yea just did some research. I never had a laptop with SLI so I thought it might be a little different from the PC counterpart. Well, I had ordered from Xoticpc and I opted for the IC Diamond on both the CPU and GPU so maybe they just didn't seat it right.

 

Very good news for SLI owners!
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/43347...on-combine-vram-thanks-dx12-mantle/index.html

 

So I test 2 compounds last night after finding something down in the right rear exhaust, below is what I found. Yup blockage.



Now the puzzling piece is my temps seem to be better than others but some of that may boil down to my environment too, I usually keep my room about 72f if possible but though the day the temp climbs. With this plastic material moved I could feel more air flow from that side so I thought this should help but it wasn't the only piece of the puzzle.

Due to this finding I figured it might be smart to go ahead and test a couple of compounds so I tested what I had on hand which was Antec 7 and Cool Lab Ultra but first let me mention the stock paste. The stock thermal material seemed very thick and with all the testing done comparing stock to others in this thread who opted for the upgrade ICD so far no real gains are conclusive. First I applied Antec 7 using the spread method recommend by the Manufacturer and my results were worse than stock and I noticed this right away in XTU as temps spiked to 80-85 then 90 quickly at the stock clocks so I was shocked, I thought how could it be worse after clearing the exhaust? I moved forward to reinspect everything to ensure there were no blocks and everything checked out well.

Next I tested Antec 7 using the pea method, what usually proves best results and things did improve but the temps were still slightly higher than stock right away using XTU core test, I still wasn't happy but at this point I realized the stock thermal material fits the GT80 needs very well so I would not pay the change it in my opinion.

Finally I applied Cool Lab Ultra very carefully and immediately I noticed a visual improvement. Below are results of similar tests in the same environment and room. You will notice an improvement in score, CPU usage and Max Temps only reaching 79c. This tells me that CLU is the best option for me just like it was for the AW18 but it still tells me the stock material is very good and better that probably most off the shelf.

I hope this helps other with some decision making.