***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

I always undervolt my 4900MQ. Unless for some reason I get a crash, reset default BIOS/or update BIOS, Intel XTU holds onto the settings.

Daily clocks are 3.7ghz X4 CPUs with a -90mV dynamic core offset

BF4 clocks are 3.8ghz X4 CPUs with a -80mV dynamic core offset

These settings are fully stable, and the BF4 settings allow for the CPU to stay at 3.8ghz across all cores for the entire game.

I recommend you guys undervolt that chip. A -90mV will probably shave off around 10c.

 

I just received the 001 version before the weekend. I love this machine! The haters,the naysers,desktop trolls can all go take a hike. The cooling system is incredible I think. I always run the power cooling boost when playing my games. hope thats ok. The system stays cool regardless and comfortable to game on. I'm glad I made this purchase. Was hesitand at first, but well worth it now getting to play my game on ultra including WOW with zero issues or lag. Now since I'm in a middle of a blizzard it's time to game more on this impressive machine. There is nothing wrong with the screen resolution either. You can not get an 17 or 18 inch notebook with a higher resoultion anywhere except from what I saw an MSI 17 inch version. I just kinds wish we were able to customize the lighting but I'm not picky.

 

At -90 I the MSI GT80 system was unstable so down to around -50 to -60 seem to yeild the best results for me all around.

Talon this was your suggestion from the beginning so thanks.

 

Do you have your performance profile set to high performance?

If you set it to balanced or any other than high performance the CPU will throttle around. This will allow for better CPU temps at idle or when not loaded but it will also cause crashes when underrvolted.

If you have it at high performance 24/7 you can achieve better undervolts.

 

I usually do but I can't say I have for every test so I will continue to test and take that into consideration.

I did learn real quick don't use the on board graphics without going back to the default voltage.

 

Gathering all the information so far to be easy to compare and evaluate the options.
All Max Temperatures.

GT80 Titan 980M SLI
After testing, stress testing, benchmarking continuously and gaming some demanding games from ryzeki
4720HQ = 92°C
GPU1: 68°C
GPU2: 78°C

4980HQ = 92°C on Sky diver from GTVEVO
From -=$tR|k3r=-
GPU1: 67°C
GPU2: 78°C

Clevo P377SMA 980M SLI - From Notebookcheck and this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-p377sm-a-with-980m-sli-review-update.764790/

4940MX on Prime95 : 90°C
980M SLI on FurMark: 87°C

4810MQ on 3DMark11: 80°C
GPU1: 72°C
GPU2: 69°C

Alienware 18 880M SLI XoticPC review
On Fire Strike
4710MQ: 87°C
GPU1: 92°C
GPU2: 87°C

I know that these results are from different benchmarks, but this give us a perspective. As far as temperature goes this apparently is normal, since all the above show similar temperatures.
On a direct comparison, the P377SMA with the 4810MQ is cooler than the Titan.

 

Seems to me all you have shown here (and I appreciate your work) is that CPU's do get warm in SLI notebooks..... a given..... and this is still an apples and oranges comparison..... and in my case, 95C is getting a bit toasty, leaving little thermal headroom. The CPU class makes a difference, ambient room temps makes a difference, the benchmark makes a difference, the notebook's cooling solution design makes a difference, and even the TIM application can make a difference. Given that these are embedded processors, this concerns me a little bit more. It's not like these processors can be easily swapped. To establish a better baseline, I think we need more data related to this specific notebook.

BTW, it is still the cool season in my local, and ambient room temps are maintained at only 72F (22C).

 

I am very anxious to apply CLU on this machine and see the results.

With my AW18 I was in a position where I really didn't have a choice as it would reach thermal shutdown and CLU completely corrected the issue.

The GT80 has never done this but if it can pull the heat out with similar results there will be peace of mind for those who are looking for it.

 

I look forward to seeing your results...... also, in your previous benchmarks, what were your room temps?

 

You guys' concern make me started to worry

 

To me, gt80 is pretty cool, and I really want to have one. If that heating issue on the CPU is this serious, I might consider to buy the gt72 or some other laptop, even build a ITX and use surface as the mobile unit

 

Its nice to see that the GT80 appears to be able to use higher than the rated TDP values. I think the GT60/70s are more restricted in that regard.

Looking at how much power you're pulling it seems to be more unlocked which is great for that 4980HQ if you can cool it.

I just did a FireStrike run with stock GPU, TurboFan On, and CPU set to 39,39,39,39. Rock stable, zero throttling at all. Max CPU temps 69,71,74,71. And max voltage 1.074.

Now granted I'm not using a 980m, much less 2 of them. But I don't have 2 exhaust fans either. But I am cooling a 970m, and a decently clocked 4900MQ on a single fan.

Can you please post an Intel XTU screenshot? I'd like to see what settings you have unlocked and what values you have set. Maybe you guys should try limiting the TDP values? Maybe its just using more juice than it really needs.

 

In my opinion it is not serious or an issue. Haswell has always been a problem child with heat so all vendors have struggled. As for the GT80 it exceeds my expectations but we will always move forward with trying to improve and help.

 

I'm a student study at us, so desktop isn't very ideal for me. If there is a laptop that can have similar performance as most of mainstream desktop, I would like to pay for it.

 

I would highly recommend the GT80.

 

Whats the worry? You can always underclock for a cooler laptop. At the moment I haven't heard of any failures or anything unhappy with the performance.

 

Which cooling pad do you guys recommend? I was thinking on the Cooler Master Storm SF-19

 

So far im running at -60mv stable on the CPU, ran 3dmark, played metro last light and other games for a while and my max temps have been the following:

Ambient temps: approx 22°C
CPU: 86°C
GPU1: 65°C
GPU2: 78°C

I will try Talon's suggestion to limit max power for turboboost and see how it goes. According to HWmonitor, the max drawn power was 56W so I will limit it near that and see how it works. I am curious about the temp difference between GPUs.

And this was on stock fan, no cooler boost.

I simply tried putting my old, small Cooler Master U2, and while it looks tiny compared to the laptop, the cooling works since it is focused on the center of the laptop anyways.

 

@moviemarketing:

Here is the PC Mark 8 Creative benchmark.... excellent score!

 

The CPU on the GT80 runs hot because the CPU heatsink is badly designed. One thing is not having a dedicated CPU fan like you find on Alienware 18 or 17" SLI machine from Clevo.
But the CPU heatsink isnt connected to the GPU heatsinks at all. Its a separate block and it only got 2 heapipes going to the fans plus they are too far away from the fans.
" Cooler Boost 2" which they have on GT70 have the GPU and CPU connected together so why they ditched this design on the GT80 is beyond me. With GT80 they could have spread out the CPU heat to 2 fans.

http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/4830645.jpg

A possible fix would be to downvolt the CPU or downclock it (if you have 4980HQ) with Intel XTU. You probably don`t need 40x/39x/36x with 980M SLI anyway. Reducing the 2-core multiplier down from 39x to 36x could help.

 

I hate to say this but from my experience your statement has some issues because the AW 18 suffers from real heat issues such as thermal shutdown unlike the gt80.

 

My CPU maxed at 78c after an hour in FC4.

 

bahaha what??
The CPU cooling on my AW18 is far more superior than the GT80

Here is the Alienware 18. Notice the triple heatpipes and the short way to exhaust. Plus it have its own dedicated fan

 

Any help on those please?

 

I am speaking my experience I owned a AW18 with a 4930mx and it would thermally shutdown. I had to use ICD first and then move up to CLU to get any results and not experience thermal shutdown. I have not had to do either with the GT80.

Trust me I understand what it looks like and the mess of getting to it with this or a bios no post on the AW18.

 

The GT80 would explode with a 4930MX... not a fair comparison.

 

Geezzzz here it goes lol, there is really no need.

 

I was considering on upgrading my 001 to a 009 and getting the 4980hq, but now i'm scared with these temps, i am waiting on my retailer to get the 009 in stock and then ill make my decision i'm going to be repasting either my current 001 or the new 009 with CLU and also had the copper heatsink upgrade with an SF-19 cooler and see how that turns out, considering there should be decent airflow across the heatsinks

 

I am looking forward to CPU results with CLU... I don't have my 009 yet or I'd do it myself. It's been a miracle worker with other hot-running CPU scenarios and I hope it does the same here.

 

Please don't get me wrong the AW18 still is a great machine and without peoples help from this community the challenges it presented could not have be overcome as easily. Haswell is just a hot beast in any form factor, but like everyone if we can make it better we will try. Just didn't want to cause any mud to sling.

 

I HAVE the AW18 with 4940MX. Zero problems even running the overclock that comes from Dell: 4400MHz. Thats 400MHz higher than the 4980HQ

If I run the same clocks as GT80, ie 4000MHz I get temps in the 70s

The CPU cooling design on the GT80 is far from ideal. That was my point. No point getting defensive. We already see it from users here posting CPU temps running a simple 5minute benchmark.
The cooling for the GPUs however is great on the GT80. The fans MSI use in the machine moves much more air than my AW18 fans. I wish MSI would sacrifice the power port on the backside, move it to the side, and add a dedicated fan for the CPU. That would be better

 

In all fairness I am assuming you are using CLU and not the stock paste though correct?
When you come into a MSI thread and post the design is bad it seemed a bit bold and ironic that's all so I was just speaking of stock to stock experience as close as I could 4930 to 4980.

When I say from experience I HAD the AW18 with 4930mx.

 

Very nice, thank you! Which CPU, SSD and RAM do you have? (your sig doesn't include the specs for your GT80)

 

On the GT80 each fan have 2 exits (lateral and rear). The CPU pipes are connected directly to the rear heat sinks. Each fan are simultaneously contributing to the CPU cooling.
I've never seen a better cooling system. It's asymmetrical but both GPUs and CPU have the same pipe coverage. The GPU on the left have 3x 1U and the GPU on the right and CPU have 2x 1.5U.

 

I have no allegiance to any brand. I look at technical aspects of all things and say my opinion no matter what brand or forum it is. Its called honesty, not boldness.

Yes I have repasted my CPU and GPUs. I always do that. But it really doesnt matter because the paste Alienware use is very good anyway. I`ve had AW18 with 4900MQ earlier with same multipliers as 4980HQ for 4-core and used stock paste. I never saw temps over 75C.

Look at striker`s benchmarks. 90s with 4980HQ in a simple short benchmark with a thick notebook like GT80. Thats horrible engineering and you know it

The CPU have two thin heatpipes travelling a long way until it reach the exhaust even if its on the side or back. The CPU isnt connected to the GPU heatsinks at all. Look at my AW18 picture posted above. 3 heatpipes just for the CPU and a short way to the exhaust.
Huge difference. Which you see from the temps posted here.

 

Alienware stock paste is very good? You are joking right?

It's ok it doesn't matter that's your opinion, after hearing that I think I am good.

 

Measure the width.

 

Sorry, but I assumed that info was in my previous benchmarks. Anyhow, go back to my PC Mark 8 benchmark ( HERE), and I have included my config.

SIG changed.....

 

Striker how well your GT72 works? I mean, why did you choose to have both?

The GT72 is among my options for next notebook.

 

I would be very interested to see what CPU temps you would get if you bridged the CPU together with the GPU heatsinks.
Using for example the copper shim like XoticPC sell. The bridge between the CPU and heatsink seems small enough that you can mod something yourself there ( link)

Maybe something @XoticPC could try...

 

You may have an improvement if the GPUs are disabled but if they get hotter than the CPU you will have the opposite effect (CPU stealing heat from the GPUs).
Those cooling solutions are usually simulated on a CAE like Icepak[1]. I don't think you will find a better setup in the same price range.
Better thermal performance will certainly need better materials/devices.

[1] http://www.ansys.com/Products/Simulation Technology/Fluid Dynamics/Specialized Products/ANSYS Icepak

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa, Cloud! Don't go dragging me into this, LOL!

Folks, may I introduce the Cloudfire..... outspoken, well intended, a consummate Google researcher, fellow computing enthusiast, and by his own admission, a "Really Odd Person".

Cloud and I have butted-heads on more than one occasion over semantics, but for the most part, we have been on the same page. In this case he says, "GT80 runs hot because the CPU heatsink is badly designed". and I say, "At 95C, my 4980HQ is a bit toasty, and too warm for my liking". He says, "Thats horrible engineering and you know it", and I say, "I like the design, and the engineering is solid, but it could be improved with more focus to the CPU".

How we choose our words can have a significant impact on how we are received by others..... and herein lies the rub. When entering an Owner's Lounge thread, care should be taken, because owners DO NOT want to feel as though they have made a poor buying decision. It's a fine line between helpful constructive criticism, and trolling. Criticism need not be negative, and can actually be the pathway to progress. Lest we not forget, technology is ever improving and evolving, and next-gen tech is right around the corner. It is my hope (and belief) that MSI will use such criticism, to soon produce their greatest flagship, EVER! Imagine how great a next-gen GT82 could be!

In my opinion, I think Cloudfire and I are agreed here..... that the 4980HQ is toasty. But it is still within thermal limits, and thus far I have not seen evidence of thermal throttling. Do I feel CPU temps could be better? Yes! Am I suffering buyer's remorse due to this? Absolutely not! Over all, the GT80 is a gaming MONSTER, and with performance such as this, owner's can have pride in ownership. This is the best yet, Weapon of Mass Destruction!

 

I have a question about the high temps, is it only happen when you benchmarking or certain type of game? Or is it happen all the time?

 

Yes, it will be the benchmark. 3DMark Vantage puts a ton of stress on the CPU. Most notebooks see 90c on the CPU so Striker's 96c at the highest point is only a little off.

 

Given the temps of the 4980HQ, would you still recommend it over the 4720hq performance wise?

 

Agreed, regarding 3DMark Vantage, and folks should understand this is an old DX10 benchmark. I include this because many users still want to see it (us O'l farts). Take a look at the CPU temp with Vantage on my GT72, HERE. (peak @ only 73C)

Why do I have both? I have a tendency to spend too much money, and I love unboxing new tech.

I love the GT72, and even though the GT80 outperforms in the benchmarks, the GT72 is no slouch. The GT72 is also a gaming monster, and a single 980M will game most any game fluidly. It is almost the perfect balance of performance, great temps, and low fan noise considering it's powerful hardware. You can read my GT72 thoughts HERE.

A great choice! You'll like!

 

I still think the 4980HQ is pulling way too much power for the clocks it runs at. When I look at your guys screenshots of temps and power consumption, I am seeing around 75w. Thats ridiculous and not needed at all.

Go to Intel XTU, set your limits to Turbo Boost Max Power 47w

Turbo Boost Short Power Max 58W

Then undervolt to around -50mV (or more, I offset around -90mV) on the dynamic CPU voltage offset.

Then re run the benchmarks and tell me max temps.

 

Why do I have both? I have a tendency to spend too much money, and I love unboxing new tech.

I love the GT72, and even though the GT80 outperforms in the benchmarks, the GT72 is no slouch. The GT72 is also a gaming monster, and a single 980M will game most any game fluidly. It is almost the perfect balance of performance, great temps, and low fan noise considering it's powerful hardware. You can read my GT72 thoughts HERE.

A great choice! You'll like!

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I would argue the GT72 would be the perfect machine if (i) there was an IPS panel non-i7-4980hq version and (ii) it had only two m.2 slots rather than 4 hogging all of the SATA III slots.

Since the TN panel is average to subpar, there is not that much of a price difference between the GT80 Titan and the GT72 units with an IPS panel. At that price point, you might as well go all in on the second GPU.

 

Dang it. @-=$tR|k3r=- knows me better than my wife. Damn thats scary.

Yeah I agree with you. The temps for the GT80 is still within operational limits. But I still think they could have done a better job.

Also, still want to know if bridging the CPU/GPUs would help. Making all two of them one big heatsink (or all 3?) would def be interesting. They did exactly this with the GT70. It was 100W GPU plus 47W CPU on the same heatsink. This would spread out the CPU heat to 2 heatsinks instead of 1.

 

AH, but I didn't say 'perfect machine', now did I? I said an 'almost perfect balance' of ..... yada, yada, yada. I have been in search of the perfect machine for years, and still haven't found it.