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    ***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Jan 13, 2015.

  1. Cormogram

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    That's a great improvement.
    I bet you will get even better results with Liquid Pro. Probably 4F less.
     
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    CPU Overclock only test here and I was really impressed with the physics score for those who question, 4.2ghz held no other adjustments. This test was ran with several others and temps still don't look bad for that clock.
    Firestrike_CLU_-60-4200_20140204.JPG
     
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    The good thing is that you found a solution immediately! I don't think people have attempted bridging the CPU and GPU. Personally, I wouldn't do it, just to keep temperatures isolated. From my Gt60 esperience, the hotter component ends up adding temp to the cooler running component, and it doesn't really help in the grand scheme of things.

    As for cooling pad, sorry, I only use for my desktop, the cooler master U2, and it is not exactly lap friendly. :)

    I can test that most likely tomorrow when I return home from work. I wouldn't worry though. Even if it does have the memory situation, it will still perform well for 90% of its massive memory pool haha.

    Excellent work! I am glad you found your solution and it is always great to read about users looking for answers and managing to fix issues.

    Hmmm hopefully things end up improving multiGPU configurations in general :) while having a bigger memory pool, I am not sure 16GB of vRAM for gaming is needed at this time haha :D Maybe for future gens!

    Excellent findings! How hard is it to apply CLU? I might consider it in the future, when it the mood to improve the already great temps, further! :)
     
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    Thank you!

    That will enable 2 or more games playing simultaneously (on different monitors off course). ;)
     
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    Nice run GTVEVO) Can the laltop hold 4Ghz during Intel XTU test under 90C?

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
     
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    Hello everyone, so i have been reading this forum for a couple of weeks now. Nearly since it has began and there is some really useful information. Im aiming to get this laptop because of 1. its up gradable down the line and 2. its gtx 980 sli from the start. Im looking at buying off of xoticpc but there are some few questions.
    1. Witch is better stock cooling or the copper cooling upgrade?
    2. Stock thermal paste or upgrade? (Already answered from above (post 450))
    3. (question that really shouldn't be asked but heck why not) This laptop looks cooler than the sagar np9377-s but dos anyone know which one keeps temps down better? (I figured gt80 because of the fan boost)
    4. Which to buy 4720HQ or 4980HQ and why?
    5. Any suggestions to people looking to buy this? (Upgrade mods? Useful tips? Suggestions?)


    Im looking to upgrade this from the start, i have seen that because of the 4- m.2 sata that the other 2 hard drive areas are SATA II. Is there a big differents in gaming with SATA II vs III? Do you suggest just getting large amount of m.2 space?
     
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    During raw stress it will hold 4.0 for around 30-45 sec with temps at only 80c , the bios is locked at this time so you can not extend that window. During gaming with vsync this is not a issue but in other instances it would clock down to 3.5-3.6 then ramp back up due to a power throttle kicking in.
     
  8. Red Line

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    Oh, ok thanks)

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
     
  9. Cormogram

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    Here are some benefits of the 4980HQ vs. 4720HQ:
    • 32% higher on 8-threads "CPU Mark"[1] (10060/7639)
    • 27% higher on single thread "CPU Mark"[1] (2248/1771)
    • 115% higher on 3DMark 11 GPU[2] (1957/910.5)
    • 71% higher FPS on Unigine Heaven 2.1[2] (26.1/15.3)
    • 3 times more overclock on Intel XTU (600MHz/200MHz)
    • Intel vPro Technology
    • Intel Trusted Execution Technology
    NOTES:
    • Same TDP 47W
    • $245 more expensive
    Take a look at [3] for some mods ideas. ;)

    The performance impact depends on the game, but to me the biggest advantage of having a fast SSD is to be able to start the match sooner than your opponents.
    I would recommend to make a RAID 0 of all M.2 drives and leave the SATA 3Gb/s for backup.

    [1] http://www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm
    [2] http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html
    [3] http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gt80-titan-mods.770137/
     
  10. sk3tch

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    Do you have a more detailed/specific source for those numbers? They do not add up at all. A CPU that is (at most) 400 MHz faster achieving gains of 20, 30, and 115% over the other?
    http://ark.intel.com/compare/78934,83503
     
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    The sources are links [1] and [2].
    The 115% is from the 3DMark 11 GPU results. The 4980HQ has an Iris Pro 5200. This IGP is so fast you can play all games of today in low or medium settings.
     
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    I doubt anyone would use onboard graphics very often if at all ever honestly
     
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    You will very likely not notice the difference at all in game with a 4720HQ vs a 4980HQ. Unless you can tell the difference between a couple FPS.
     
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    That's assuming onboard graphics which no one is going to use very often at all
     
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    I spend most of my time working on my laptop -- during those hours I don't need a GPU, not to mention two of them. An IGP will give me a lot more time when running on battery.
    If you're going for Dota 2 or something light like that, no need to spend all your energy on two heavy drainers such as the 980Ms of the GT80.
    On Dota 2 ultra 1920x1080 the 4980HQ will give 40.7fps[1]!!!
    4720HQ is crap compared to 4980HQ. Not worth the price.

    [1] http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Pro-Graphics-5200.90965.0.html
     
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    I will!
     
  18. sk3tch

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    Ah, now I understand. You're comparing the CPU's graphics...that is LOL-worthy at best when you're talking about a 10lb. GTX 980 SLI laptop.
    BTW - the links you gave were very generic and did not point to specifics. Hence my ask for clarification.
     
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    I wanted to LOL a few times myself, But everyone is allowed their own opinion and usage of any machine they purchase
     
  20. sk3tch

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    Definitely.
    As a point of clarification - my concern is merely that his post did not clarify the differences were based on iGPU and not pure CPU numbers.
    CPU numbers are what *most* people care about when comparing...so it was disingenuous of him to not state what he was outlining.
     
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    Now I need to decide on getting anew 001 since mine went dead, or waiting for a 009 or scraping it all for a clevo p570wm with a hexacore and 980m's
     
  22. Cormogram

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    lol that's really incredible! lol
     
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    Read again dude
     
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    I did. This is your link for Passmark results: http://www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm - the product page?

    The 3DMark 11 results make sense now that we know you're talking about iGPU.
     
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    That's the benchmark software used to calculate the "CPU Mark" score.
    You can enter the name of the processor, such as "4980HQ" in the search field (top right corner) and it will lead you to a page like this[1].
    There you can click on the button "+ Compare" to add it to the compare list. After adding a few processors you will be able to "Compare". ;)
    Off course it's the IGP! It's a comparison of CPUs.

    [1] http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel Core i7-4980HQ @ 2.80GHz&id=2327
     
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    Thanks for the clarification. Your information is incorrect for the 4720HQ. Close though. 8,031 is the number (source: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel Core i7-4720HQ @ 2.60GHz&id=2448).

    When someone is comparing 4720HQ to 4980HQ for the GT80 they'd be wanting to see the difference in gaming with the GTX 980 SLI - not the CPU iGPU (otherwise just buy a $500 laptop). Hence why I was confused as your post was not clear. Hence why I asked for clarification. It only took like 6 posts but here we are. Thanks.
     
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    P570wm with 4960x 980m SLI or MSI gt80 4720hq and 980m SLI what should I do?!?
     
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    You'd be insane to buy a mobile system with a desktop CPU in it. Completely overkill for gaming. Nevermind that the 4960X is a ~$1,000 part. For the dollars spent - you would not gain much in terms of gaming capability and you would regret the purchase.
     
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    I'm part gamer part overclocker part bencher, I do have a 4930k in my desktop rig with three 780Ti's but I obviously can't chuck that around with me lol
     
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    Those numbers change every time a new submission is made. It's a moving average.
     
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    The P570WM is a nice machine but doesn't offer a fourth SSD/HDD space.
    I guess the only option you would have to make a RAID 0 of four drives would be taking away the ODD and replacing it with an improvised bracket for the 4th element! lol
    It's outdated for sure. Better wait for the next over-mega-super-laptop-personal-computer from Clevo because Skylake Z170 is in the oven[1].

    [1] http://www.techspot.com/news/59616-intel-skylake-chipsets-reported-upgraded-pcie.html
     
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    Ah, then you will appreciate my post even more. I have a 4930K (GTX 980) system, a 5930K (GTX 980 SLI) system, and a 4770K (R9 290X) system to go along with my "puny" 4710HQ/980M system. Believe me - it's not worth it to go "all out" on mobile because no matter what you try - you're going to still end up with an approximation of the desktop experience at a huge cost.
     
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    I just went ahead and got a replacement 001 and upgraded to 4 msata in raid 0 instead extra speed is always nice

    And I'm doing copper upgrade but repasting myself with liquid ultra

    Ant suggestions on a laptop cooler? My current idea is the sf-19 by cooler Master
     
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    What SSDs did you get?
     
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    Just whatever MSI spec ones are
     
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    Currently using driver 344.91 and went searching for a newer driver. Got driver 347.25. Would that be safe to install?
     
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    I didn't try it yet but this thing[1] promise to reduce 20ºC!!!
    Seems to be less noisy than the regular cooling pads and it's only $23 on Newegg[2].

    [1] http://mycoolcold.com/en/products01.asp?idd=52&ids=5&SortID=16&id=16&ord=100
    [2] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA65425X5055
     
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    A bit of an update.

    More CPU tweaks so far! The key to maintain a higher core clock is to remain at, or lower than, TDP. One of the tweaks you can use is to modify uncore speeds and voltages. So far I have tested with stock clocks and as low as 2.8ghz for the uncore and I have yet to see any dips in performance.

    Thanks to lowering uncore and undervolt, I have managed 100% stable 3.5ghz speeds. I can boost to 3.6ghz for about 3mins before it starts self regulating between 3.54 and 3.6ghz. It's not bad. Additionally, temps should be slightly lower, considering we are running at stock TDP, not going over it. So, I am almost running at 3.6ghz. In my review I will go more in dept with tests, comparing stock settings and uncore speeds to the modified settings and see which performs better etc.

    My current settings are:
    Processor dynamic voltage -80mv
    Processor cache voltage -70mv (this is the uncore btw)
    CPU ratios maxed (36/36/37/38)
    Processor cache ratio: 28

    I tested going from -5mv on each individual voltage setting and then running 3dmark and intel stress test. I haven't gone lower yet.

    Here is what you wanted I hope: http://i.imgur.com/h8igLDO.png
     
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    Do you have the 4980 or 4720?
     
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    Same as you my friend :) the sig should help! :D

    So far I am not convinced there is that much to be gained going to 3.6ghz so I will be using stock turbo boost of 3.4ghz. After I posted and fired up some more test, my system was unstable, so I had to raise the voltage a bit and retest heh.
     
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    Sorry Tapatalk don't show sigs

    I feel like there isn't any good laptop cooling pads, I can't find anything decent besides the sf-19
     
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    Do you need one in particular? I know I do mention it a lot, but after using several cooling pads, my number one choice is still the Cooler master U2/3 series. But you don't really need it...

    without proper testing, I have noticed a maximum temp drop of 2 degrees C using a cooling pad. I tested it using the same load with, and then testing the same load without.
     
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    I love my Cooler master U3, but is the angle a bit awkward using with the GT80? On a desk it's probably fine, but I used mine on a lap desk on my recliner (or in bed).

    I think I'm starting to lean to the 4720hq now....$400 is just a lot for the CPU upgrade that may not show much of an impact in 1080p gaming (plus the lack of 2.5" SATA III slots means I'm going to need to be buying two 512gb m.2. drives).
     
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    Ill be adding the copper heatsinks to my gt80 so I want to force airflow over them with most likely the sf-19 and I'll replace fans with quieter higher cfm variants I can find
     
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    Given what we saw with the 980m 4gb version those results make sense.

    Basically first 7gb transfers are fine (3.5gb + 3.5gb) with the last 1gb transfers being the issue.

    Well, there's your answer as to whether there's any reason to get an 8gb 980m over 4 gb 980m.
     
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    Very helpful GTVEVO. It may only be a $35 upgrade savings to stay with the Stock Thermal Compound, but hey every dollar counts on a machine in this price range if ICD is not going to make that much of an impact :)
     
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    I would totally go for the 4980hq if it were possible to fully use 4.4ghz 100% stable, but my bet is that only around 3.8ghz will be the best clocks for continous full load. At such speeds, I just couldn't spend more money to get it. I am perfectly happy with my 3.4ghz core i7 :)

    Let us know how it goes when you install the heatsinks! I might consider repasting in the future, but for now I am content :D

    So our GTX980m can access at full speed only about 7GB of their 8GB? Well, at least that is still a huge amount of video memory!
     
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    It is a huge amount of video memory and probably will not be needed for the life of the machine. However, more than 3.5gb of video memory might be needed in the next 2-3 years with some games at least. Thus, I really do think it's worth investing in a laptop with the 8gb 980m rather than the 4gb 980m that you see in the Asus g751, the new Alienware laptops and the Clevo P650.
     
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    I bet Nvidia will always be to tweak their way through driver patches, etc so the result is still going to be good as far as user experience is concerned.
     
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