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    ***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Jan 13, 2015.

  1. Quokka

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    Indeed, Nahimic prevents GTA5 from loading. It crashes back to desktop when trying to load story mode. Very occasionally I've gotten it to load, but not often. The moment I exit Nahimic it loads just fine. Bring back SB I say.
     
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    Found an easy way to get rid of Killer Suite useless nonsense, download the whole suite from their website, run the installation, when the installation is over, run the installation again and you get a prompt to modify/repair/uninstall, click modify, uncheck all useless crap and just keep drivers
     
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    I tried the new killer drivers. They seem to have fixed the issues I had with downloading and CPU usage/ performance issues, however I noticed I get higher speeds without the software and only use the drivers.

    [​IMG]
     
  4. hmscott

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    ryzeki, I tried uninstalling the other stuff, and only leave the drivers installed, and I am getting the same, or slightly less throughput - likely a time of day load issue with the ISP's - throughput is only 1 or 2MB/sec slower, about what you are showing.

    I think if you disable the bandwidth shaping and select max throughput for the Wifi, you will have the same effect, and get the benefits of the network manager software. I especially like the Wifi view of other AP's/routers Wifi signals.

    Nice upload speed, University network? :)
     
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  5. hmscott

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    chronoshift, the Killer tools aren't nonsense, they are useful, but you need to spend some time with them to understand their usefulness.

    I uninstalled the Network Manger, Bandwidth Filter, and .NET packages, and have the same or slightly less throughput without them installed.
    killer suite installer 2nd run select modify.JPG
    killer suite installer 2nd run unselect manager and filter and .NET.JPG
    killer suite installer 2nd run unselect manager and filter and .NET - after.JPG

    I tried 6 different ISP's, and only 1 is at the same 180Mbips, the rest are in the high 170's, likely due to heavy load at this time of day due to usage.

    I reinstalled the Killer tools, and disabled the Network Bandwidth Control, and in Wifi selected Max Throughput, and I am getting the same throughput. As long as you disable the Bandwidth Control in Network and select Max Throughput in Wifi, it doesn't matter if you keep the Killer software installed.

    Check out the Wifi Manger, and you can see the AP's/routers local to you - possibly interfering with your signal - you can see where there is a clear center channel and move your Wifi router/AP to that channel - less interference helps throughput and reduces connection drops.

    With the software installed, you can disable the bandwidth shaping for the Network and select Max Throughput for Wifi and you get the fast throughput, with the benefits of the network manager tools.

    If we took the time to set up and tune the bandwidth control that might be useful too. I usually set all that up in the router, but a software solution, like under Linux, is also widely accepted.

    I do wish Killer would have a non-interfering default, and maybe a wizard to help set up / tune the bandwidth shaping software, that would make it much less uninstall worthy.

    Seems a shame to let all their software development work be wasted. :)
     
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  6. ExhenHero

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    Hi guys, I have an issue that is my Titan restart automatically, while surfing internet or using office word. It happens frequently. Did anybody experience this self-restart problem? How can I fix it?
     
  7. hmscott

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    ExhenHero, when did it start happening? Did it start after a recent install of software? Have you tuned the CPU/GPU with Intel XTU or MSI Afterburner? Did you add memory or storage?

    If you were stable, then try to uninstall what you can until it is stable again. If you recall the day/time it started crashing, and can recall what it was that was installed / changed just before then, undo/uninstall that change and see if you are stable again.

    With all the crashing, you should check the integrity of your boot partition, right click on the C drive in Explorer and select Properties, Tools tab, Error checking, and Scan the drive for errors - then if it asks Scan and Repair - it will ask to reboot if needed. If a repair is needed, it might actually be the problem that was causing the crashes.

    How new is your laptop? If still in the return period, debug quickly so you can return it if you can't get it stable, to return and replace with a new one.
     
  8. Claude-François Brassard

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    Same thing is happening to me.
    I've updated my titan 2qe-033us to windows 10, no problem there..

    but since the last geforce update, i've had random freezes and crash/reboot. every once in a while, sometimes it can happens three to four times in an hour.
    the weird thing is that it mostly happens while browsing the web/youtube, whatever. Not while playing games.

    I can usually play games (Alien Isolation, Witcher 3, Starcraft 2, Tomb Raider) without any problem/sudden reboot.

    I'm gonna try rolling back to the old drivers or something like that.
     
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    Everyone avoid the latest geforce drivers. I had constant crashes and reboots. They have stopped once I went back to older drivers. Some users went to the latest MSI website drivers.
     
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    I first tried your settings with the new drivers and they did improve over my older stock drivers by a large margin. Speed test showed very similar results from both stand alone drivers vs the full network suit. The difference was with actual usage, steam download etc etc. The stand alone drivers proved to be better in general, but all in all the latest drivers are a massive improvement over the older stuff.

    And those I showed are my wifi speeds for my home haha :) I have good old mexican internets. With ethernet cable I get 200/200 :D

    all for the nice price of 62dlrs a month~ aprox. It is really among the few things, technology wise, that I can actually enjoy better than a lot of countries.
     
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  11. hmscott

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    ryzeki, due to the Alienware 18" LG screen disasters - blown LG 17" screens after upgrading to Windows 10 and new Nvidia drivers + newest Nvidia drivers on Windows 7 - maybe Windows 8.X too, long thread.

    *** Windows 10 Upgrade Warning for Alienware Owners ***
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-alienware-owners.779449/page-2#post-10070956

    They found that the drivers after 353.06 are blowing out their AW18 LG screens - in Windows 7 and 10 confirmed, so I figure since we have the same 18" LG screen in our GT80's, for now I will play it safe and hold at 353.06...

    There might be nothing related in our GT80 18" LG screen implementation, but for now I am playing it safe.

    Please let us know if your crashes stop when you downgrade the Nvidia driver, or what ever else you find is the problem.
     
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    Well my crashes were constant with the latest drivers. I even had a couple of driver crashes themselves, among several reboots doing menial tasks and all. I was furiously searching for the culprit and ended up uninstalling almost everything. Right now I think I am running 353.06 or perhaps a newer one. I will go back to original MSI ones and read about the alienware 18. I just read today about it actually, so I got curious.

    I was thinking "Oh we have some SLI 18 incher competition" but honestly, I was not so thrilled with the A18.
     
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    ryzeki, yup. :)
     
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    In the end the new machine might indeed mean better BIOS support for their previous AW18 owners.

    I prefer the clevo offerings, but I guess the one good point the AW18 has is that they can slap in an MX processor. I wish we could mod the EC firmware on our machines as well as the BIOS to maybe unlock these HQ processors into shape. I wouldn't mind setting max TDP at 60w to ensure constant 100% performance at all times.

    Hopefully the unlocked Skylake delivers on this subject.
     
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    ryzeki, like you said, it isn't appealing.

    And also like you said, I am happy for the AW18 owners that will be able to fix their BIOS/vBIOS issues with the new images from the new AW18 :)
     
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    They have dug the old design out of the grave rather than working on it which is odd.
     
  17. dip0

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    I'm back on 353.62 and have no problems at all, compared to daily freezes with the newest
     
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    dip0, so you had freezes with 355.60 ? In specific games, or?
     
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    My laptop freezes on this one too with bsod's and then the gpu goes dead when it boots back up with a black screen on startup...
     
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    Always easier to squeeze more cash out of old R&D work than do something totally new.

    Homer
     
  21. dip0

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    I've not really played anything but Heroes of the Storm recently and had 1-2 freezes a day with 355.60, none with 353.62, which is what I used to be on before.

    I made sure to do Clean install of both (including when reverting)
     
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    btw - is it normal that one 980M runs hotter than the other? For example after an hour gaming session one will be maybe 70c with the other 80c. GPU 1 runs maybe 10-15c cooler than GPU2 under load. I presume its something to do with the fan location?
     
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    Maybe the paste application? A few degrees is negligible, but 10 - 15 C is quite a margin. What game(s) are you playing?
     
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    Various. Witcher 3, GTA5 etc. The hottest one does not usually get about 80-84c, even after an hour of gaming on auto fan setting, but the cooler one is more like 70-72c. Both show 100% usage so thats not the cause. I'm not worried as the temps are fine, just curious that one was hotter than the other.
     
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    This sounds pretty normal under the normal fan profiles, reason being is one gpu is handling physx and the die placement of the CPU is not exactly center so the GPU on the left side usually runs a bit warmer. The important point is that neither GPU is close to the overheat zone but if you wish to run cooler simply install the MSI silent option and customize your fan tables.
     
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    I did a rollback, now I'm on 353.30, hope there won't be any problems.
    I'm staying away from installing geforce experience for now, I'll wait for a while before updating again.
     
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    This is true. If your utilization looks stable and the temps are within the ranges you reported, you shouldn't be facing any underlying problems. 10+ C between the cards seems unusual, but not an automatic red flag.
     
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    nvidia drivers seem to cause this, I had similar problems and have had none since using the drivers off the MSI website instead of the geforce experience ones
     
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    Already wrote a few pages back to use the drivers from the MSI website, I had the exact same issues, mainly while browsing youtube/etc and never while playing games. Since going back to MSI website nvidia drivers I've had no problems whatsoever
     
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    There have been some driver issues on the NV side of things, I'm hoping the next main branch will be a bit more stable.
     
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    Guys, those of you with a GT80 with a Broadwell 5950HQ CPU, have you updated your BIOS?

    My SLI-263 came with: E1812IMS.10F

    Update available: E1812IMS.113
    http://us.msi.com/support/nb/GT80-Titan-SLI-GTX-980M-SLI-5.html#down-bios

    My 5950HQ is having trouble going past 40x through XTU without adding positive offset voltage. At 41x I need to add +35mV, and at 42x +80mV, and 43x/44x aren't stable at all.

    Has anyone with a 5950HQ tuned with XTU seen similar results, or better? Did you try to update the BIOS?

    Thanks!!
     
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    355.60 now is avaiable :).
     
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    How about that unlock bios? Me needs it. $

    Sent from my SM-G925T using Tapatalk
     
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    Without any problems :) just press 4 keys in BIOS :p. Just kidding. On forum I am not able to post such information. Why don`t you ask msi team on NBR maybe they will provide how to unlock bios.
     
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    I'm still trying to figure out customizations and software to achieve that.

    When playing any somewhat new game (Total War, Witcher3) even, after about 30-40 mins, the machine gets really hot (and CPU shows 84+ C) and I need to manually press the max fan button to cool it down again.

    Is there any way to make it generally not heat up that much before it auto cools? I'd rather have some constant small background noise than periods of not being able to hear anything.

    Also, I did wonder if it was normal for the CPU to heat up that much (GPU usually around the 70 odd marks) - maybe because I got the haswell(?) CPU one?

    I already run most games at around medium settings to reduce any potential overheating and have the max cpu load set to 90% in windows power options.

    The HIDEv machine also (to the best of my knowledge) has extra mini heatsinks on top of the MSI supplied ones and custom paste.
     
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    84C is a normal temp for the CPU while under load. Max fans does help as you've mentioned.
     
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    Hi folks. Very much thinking of buying one of these, primarily for the position of the keyboard as I'm a coffee table type gamer with constantly sore shoulders. This would see me sitting a lot straighter. 2 questions though. The reason I'm a coffee table gamer is its less antisocial to be in the same living space as the family, so what is the noise like, both from the mechanical keys (If any?) and the fans? I'm already on a 17" clevo based laptop with a 680m sitting on a Zalman Cooling pad so they're used to some noise, but is there anything excessive about the GT80?

    Thanks for any help - if this has been asked already apologies but wading through 250 pages at midnight seemed like a bad option.
     
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    I can't even find the "Start New Thread" button in this forum, let alone the technical answers I'm looking for. I feel like a total newbee, which is really weird considering I've been using and programming computers longer than most folks who read this forum have been alive :(. Maybe I'm just becoming senile?

    Anyway, if this message winds up in an inappropriate thread, feel free to scream at me or redirect me. I've simply wasted too many hours looking for the information I want/need, so at this point it's easier to break protocol and blunder in the door somewhere like an idiot.

    I have an MSI GT80 Titan, and someone GAVE me (free :D) a Samsung XP941 512GB AHCI M.2 PCIe 2.0 x4 80mm SSD. But I can't find any hard detailed specs about this laptop's motherboard anywhere, just lots of advertising/hype/useless user info etc. Are any of the bays in this laptop mobo PCIe compatible, or are they all just SATA? If any of them are PCIe compatible, are they two or four lanes?

    Thanks in advance for your time :).
     
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    Just look on youtube, look at a post hmscott made about a week ago to me where he embedded a youtube video, there's a few youtube videos where they open up the front part and look at the drive bays
     
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    Any reason to update the Bios on the sli 263 if you're not planning on doing any tuning?
     
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    What can you do with an unlocked bios?
     
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    355.60 are currently causing issues in some titans including mine. When using 355.60, the computer constantly reboots or experiences hiccups/freezes at random intervals, while doing any sort of work from light browsing to heavy gaming.

    Going to previous drivers so far has everything working fine.

    Just pressing 4 keys?! Like with the older GX660R? That would be nice actually. I asked MSI regarding the unlocking of bios and they said no hahaha :p

    I want the unlocked bios! There is much to test!

    :)

    Current GT80 titans are using SATA with the physical m.2 connector, so PCIe is out of the question for now. With the coming of the new Skylake CPU, motherboards are bound to now sport m.2 PCIe ports.

    It's too bad we don't have PCIe support for the m.2 but at least there are still excellent SSDs with sata interface.
     
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    Win10 64bit no problems with 355.60 so far.
     
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    Depends on the game really. Newer games tend to get the machine quite hot, which tends to necessitate higher fan speeds -> noise
    Game released say 2 years ago or older (or just generally not demanding) tend to not cause any heat issues and you probably won't notice the fans after a while.
    At baseline, it definitely is more quiet than having a laptop cooler fan running

    Keyboard is definitely louder (and sounds different) to a usual laptop keyboard. Tbh it sounds identical to a desktop/usb keyboard.
     
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    One would think that you could override the cpu power settings.

    Sent from my SM-G925T using Tapatalk
     
  49. hmscott

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    chronoshift, the answer for whether to upgrade the BIOS on a motherboard/laptop is: it depends :)

    For the most part, updates for BIOS are fixes to support new hardware memory / CPU's, fix bugs in previous BIOS, and so in general I always recommend upgrading to the current BIOS.

    The new Broadwells might need BIOS fixes after initial release to tweak performance. There is only 1 mention, setting Broadwell CPU turn off at 100c - but there may be other Broadwell tunings, it is common for all the fixes in a BIOS to not be listed.

    I was hoping to find someone with a Broadwell GT80 that has updated the BIOS and found they can reach 42x-44x multipliers, or someone with the Broadwell GT80 that also hasn't updated the BIOS and also has problems with using multipliers 42x-44x.

    Due to the response (lack of) I will be doing the BIOS update and see if anything improves :)
     
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    Went to FRY's again. The GT80 was not on display. They said it was out for repair? Lol.
    Also they said it was discontinued- is this because there will be a skylake model soon or will it be completely discontinued?
     
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