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Probably. I mean my haswell version was short lived. I wouldn't be surprised if they would be preparing for the skylake version. Also, these machines are not for a market that moves around too much, so it is not expected to be carried by a lot of instore sellers.

 

It's still available on several sites like ourselves.

 

I have one I will sell , 009 model and it's no slouch.

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To be honest I'm really just waiting for the skylake model to come out. If you have any news on the release date feel free to pm me

 

Me too, awaiting the HK variant. Will do as soon as I see them arive into the US.

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Likely sales speak for, we can't get any more of these, so let me sell you something else

Go to the Frys website, go to the GT80 page, add to cart, select store pickup, select distance as 6.2pc, click find store, and see a number of locations with demo models.

Unfortunately Frys throws away the boxes for all demos, but you can get 10-15% off.

Ask the computer manager to ask the store manager to please order one through their buyers - and / or transfer store to store one of the demos from another store.

Let us know how it works out.

 

It would be really cool if MSI (if they can't find a 4k or 5k display) would put a 120 HZ display or at least have an option for one on their skylake model. They could integrate nvidia's 3d vision - they have space for the transmitter where the haptics motor used to be! It would be a cool selling point!

That or add a second subwoofer...
They should make use of all available space and pack this monster!

 

The 3K or 4K panels are really not up to MSI, it's up to the availability from the manufacturers who made the screen.

 

At the moment I'm just using the auto fan settings. If I installed MSI silent fan, does anyone have a good suggestion for custom fan setting %'s, that would give a good balance between noise and cooling? I actually don't mind a bit more noise than with the auto settings, if it will keep the temps a bit lower. Any suggestions based on experience are most appreciated.

 

If you install the setting allow to simply add additional duty via simple or specify the exact duty via advanced so you can experiment without worry.

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Well they did update the machine with a newer model newer processor and newer screen maybe i am unsure of the the previous screen specs. I was going to buy this machine i should of but spent way more on a gaming desktop. I am deciding on buying this machine later on only when they really finally come out with a 4k screen too. I have a cinema 4k lg monitor and it's amazing! The battery life on notebookcheck's test is rather impressive.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT80-2QD-Titan-Notebook-Review.148367.0.html

 

Why would the newer version have less powerful video cards?

 

What do you mean? GT80 has had configurations with 980m, 970m and 965m as far as I know. They only changed the CPU with broadwell and kept offering those GPU variants.

 

Yes that is correct they have been offering low , medium and high end graphic cards from the start of the sales.

 

Hes talking about the newer model with Broadwell CPUS not specifically the GPU. There are GPU options available - the 965m sli, 970m sli, 980m sli, and single 980m

 

Yeah but he is asking why the newer model has less powerful GPUs, which is not true. There is a broadwell 5700 and 5950, as well as all GPU variants.

I think he was thinking that the new GT80 was only 970m sli instead of 980m.

 

Yes, that's what I thought, thanks for the correction

 

No problem! Now I wonder what MSI has in store regarding Skylake.

 

Waiting for that HK unlocked variant to be announced. From what I gather the cpu won't be released until very end of Sept putting a possible October time frame on things if MSI is on top of things like broadwell. With it supporting ddr4 it won't be as cut and dry but hopefully we will hear something in the next month.

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I just purchased the GT80 2QC SLI-255 which has the 5700 and the 965 in SLI.

As far as waiting for the next best thing to come out, well, you will be waiting the rest of your life. There isn't a game out there right now that this machine won't run on ultra in all settings just fine.

 

I think that will last you some time and upgrades will keep it going even longer.

 

Has anyone heard anything about upgrading the gpus? I'm planning on getting one of these, but I'm currently undecided which model I want. I'm fine with getting the 965 sli version and just upgrading them to 980s or 990s down the road. And now that GT mentioned skylake, I'm super undecided if I should wait for that processor or just get a 5th gen.

 

Enjoy the best while it lasts.

You should wait for clearance promotion to get the best deal out of current generations.
If you can wait, then go ahead with Skylake, but because it's the latest and greatest so it's also the highest in $$$.

 

As far as I have seen the high end models like the GT80, are in short supply, and sell at full price the whole time, maybe a token $100 off, but never at a steep discount worth waiting till the last minute.

Trying to time that last minute purchase, only to save a couple of hundred $, seems like a poor decision. It's essentially the same as waiting until the next model comes out - since to get the maximum discount you will need to wait until the new model is out - and hope you are lucky enough to find one of the last of the previous generation still in stock.

The GT80 CPU's at the same model level are all about the same performance, slight improvement between Broadwell and Haswell, and likely the same for the bump to Skylake.

There have been lots of game testing showing little improvement in gaming performance, after a certain level of minimum CPU performance is met that keep the GPU's busy.

The price is the same across model / CPU generations, so you are paying about the same for the same performance gaming, discount or not.

No matter which model GT80 you get, within a few months, weeks, days your purchase will be outperformed measurably by the next model upgrade - but effective gaming performance will remain the same - until there is a GPU upgrade, and MSI has promised upgrades to the next 2 generations of GPU

This will be the same whether you purchase the Haswell, Broadwell, or Skylake model, they will all quickly become slightly less than the next model that releases. The nice thing is, your GT80 will still kick-ass on every game you play.

If the GT80 model cycle gets an upgrade / new model every 6 months, you could always be in a perpetual hold waiting for the next model to come out - you would only have to wait about 6 months for the next GT80 model upgrade.

The sooner you get your GT80 the sooner you can start gaming on it

I haven't seen MSI mention upgrades to the 980m MXM for the 970m/065m models. MSI might only provide upgrades to the next generation GPU.

You can email MSI support and ask them, please come back and let us know what MSI says.

 

As far as the upgrade.. I was told by A rep here on the Forum that With us with the single 980m will not have the option to add the second card. That an upgrade option with the new series will be made available to us. I dont know how well that would apply to say the 965sli version trying to go to 980. But we would be able to upgrade to the new series for sure.

 

Well I'm in a strange place this morning and need some advise.

Yesterday I switched from the dedicated gpus to the integrated graphics on my 009 and the machine bricked! I hit reboot and it never rebooted and I couldn't even get into the repair options.

All I can access is the bios.
Is this repairable or do I have to rma?

 

Jenima, sorry to hear that. I was worried about this very thing the first time I switched from Discrete to iGPU; it didn't happen, but I think about it each time I switch.

The first time I switched it took a while before it came up, gave me a fright, how long did you wait for boot up before giving up?

What are the symptoms of the bricking? What do you see / not see?

You could try connecting up an external monitor and see if you get a desktop. Use the function keys to switch.

In the BIOS do you see the RAID intact?

As a last ditch to recover, you could try to do a reinstall via F3, or use your BurnRecovery flash drive backup to boot from it and restore the OS.

Please let us know how this works out.

 

For about a week I've had a strange hang when I logged-in and when I checked event viewer it reported critical error caused by Intel's vga.exe attempting to start (with the dedicated gpus as default). So I decided to switch yesterday to the igpu to access the Iris Pro panel and it never got passed the logo screen.

I tried the Syatem Recovery stick I've made and a store-bought Win 10 but I think the demuxer is confused and so can't start the OS. The raid was wiped to check if it was one of the sticks. So I have to RMA.

 

Jenima, when you get it back, be sure and create the BurnRecovery USB boot drive, a 32GB USB 3.0 drive is needed - 19GB just for the recovery partition, and then you will be able to recover from any further problems, back to a known good/supported OS configuration.

If you haven't formatted the 1TB drive, you could install Windows 8.1 on the RAID SSD's, then install the BurnRecovery software on to the new Windows 8.1 install, and see if BurnRecovery will find the recovery partition on the 1TB - that is where MSI put it. Then you won't need to RMA to recovery back to your original Windows 8.1 MSI out of the box configuration

The GPU switch button needs MSI SCM installed to work - I had uninstalled SCM, and when I first tried to switch to Intel the button wouldn't work - I finally found the GPU switch button needed MSI SCM installed.

You would think there would be a way to switch back and forth between Intel/Nvidia GPU via BIOS... unless it defaults to Nvidia without the MSI software installed in the booted Windows - or it might default to Intel - would be nice to know.

Did you ask MSI yet what to do? They might have a tool / idea on how to reset the discrete graphics to default again without an OS installed - or a way to reset within a hidden BIOS option... something to ask MSI for sure - please let us know what they say.

I would strongly recommend stopping with the Windows 10 action, it is way too early - too many bugs - and adds another element of uncertainty.

I just got my SLI-263 a few weeks ago, and am very happy with the stable Windows 8.1 configuration, drivers, etc. I can't imagine debugging Windows 10 issues on top of trying to optimize performance of my new hardware. It's an unnecessary distraction that gains nothing good/useful that I have found.

Please keep us up to date on how the debugging / RMA goes

 

Is this an issue specific to the device or something? Is it common with SLI?

 

Maybe the new GT80 will get both Tobii eye tracking and Intel's realsense! That would be cool

https://insider.razerzone.com/index.php?threads/razer-idf-razer-x-intel-realsense.8139/

 

This is more of an iGPU/Discrete GPU issue. Even it it was a single discrete GPU this problem could occur.

 

That would be nice to eliminate my use of track IR.

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Just installed 4 m.2 samsung 500gb drives but I've never setup a raid before or don't know if it's even worth putting them in the msi super raid, whatever that is

 

MSI Super RAID is the same thing as RAID, its just what they call it.
You definitely want to set them up in RAID though.

 

In which raid format then? I see someone posting back some pages that there's no real difference when using SSDs other than losing a lot of space

 

chronoshift, congrats on the new killer RAID0 combo

You might test the drives individually first. In the BIOS set the type to RAID, with 1 drive in the RAID0. Then restore MSI Windows from BurnRecovery to a 2 drive RAID0 - use the default stripe setting, and then from Windows test performance of it and the other 3, like with CrystalDiskMark.

Then from Windows you can Add the other 2 drives to the RAID one at a time. Takes about an hour each. The nice thing is you can keep using the computer while the RAID is getting extended. You just need to remember to *NOT REBOOT* until each drive finishes being added

Adding the drives this way to the RAID exercises the new drive, and the existing drives in the RAID0, as the RAID0 is extended - any drive failure will show up quickly, and in a way that indicates which drive is bad. Creating the RAID0 with all 4 drives in the BIOS is very quick - seconds - but it doesn't exercise the drive - kinda like a quick format of a partition vs a full format in Windows.

Something else to check, download CrystalDiskInfo and watch the temperature of each M.2 drive.

The M.2 drives get hot. So far the Evo 850's are the coolest running. A full on 100% performance test against 4x RAID - copying huge files from one partition to another partition on the same RAID, the temperature rose to high 60c's.

There isn't direct cooling for the RAID x3 area, and the drives are mounted right over each other. Also those 3 drive M.2 slots and the 4th M.2 drive slot sit right over the CPU - which gets hot when under heavy load.

For now I am down to 2x 500GB, and am waiting for 1TB drives.

I am currently considering removing the thick insulation label sticker from the SSD, and maybe getting some copper cooling heat sinks and some Arctic Silver Céramique™ 2 and Arctic Silver™ Thermal Adhesive to glue them on... 60c is pretty hot.

But, the PCIe x4 drives are even hotter, reaching +110c!

M.2 drive temperature test (Samsung XP941 vs Plextor M6e)

 

Running into some issues, I tested clean installing windows 10 using a USB hdd without raid, from Windows 10 tool, no issues, now that I have the raid partition, the installer says it doesn't support installation from USB, wtf?

 

Also, it doesn't allow me to only select 1 drive, 2 to 6 for raid0

 

chronoshift, cool, I started from 2 too, and wished I had tried 1 first, thanks for testing that out, fixed mt post

IDK about the complaint from Windows 10 installer, I am avoiding Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.

You could put back your 2 original SSDs and boot from them (recovery partition is on the 1TB drive) to create the BurnRecovery USB boot drive, so you could install Windows 8.1 MSI out of the box configuration - that works fine restoring to RAID0 2x, 3x, and 4x, tried all combinations

 

What I don't understand is why I can't access the recovery partition from the 1tb drive which is still mounted, it shows up in the partition list but pressing f3 does nothing currently

It seems like for whatever reason windows 10 is installing with just two drives in raid0 instead of all 4, trying that out for now

- well , this is frustrating, I thought I was installing on raid partition and actually installed on the 1tb drive

 

Strangely though, when installing on the two drive raid0, the 4 drive raid0 partition was still in the list of partitions (and I did remove it from Intel manager thing) I hate little kinks like this, so might do everything over again once I have a solid plan

 

chronoshift, you should delete the RAID0 4 drive volume in the BIOS before starting to create the 2 drive volume... I didn't know you could do that - that's a bug

I rebuilt and restored from BurnRecovery boot USB many many times, with 4x M600 and 4x Evo 850, it takes a while to get it right.

Eventually you will look forward to the final config / install, the one that you can build from, install all your apps and games, and then backup that configuration using Macrium Reflect.

Once I did that, restoring a complete configuration back to the new RAID0's using the Macrium restore boot usb config was relatively quick and easy, and things were good to go right away - no more repeating updates and installs every time I tried a new configuration - btw data stripe size 16kb works best.

 

I definitely selected to delete it and did delete it but I guess I should have restarted first, I've gone and got myself a blank DVD and am down loadings the damned windows 10 clean install iso again, partitions all over the place, will try to figure them out then try redoing raid and clean install from DVD

 

Track ir?

 

Oh it's not entering the OS at all, not even repair menu.

I think the problem is a 'confused' muxer. Intel's gpu panel shouldn't be even starting with the Nvidia drivers selected as default and vice versa when using the igpu. All I could get to was the MSI bios logo screen and the bios.

I wiped the raid in case it was a bad ssd stick but could not even install a fresh Win OS on either ssd and I did have the Burn Recovery stick set- but again a no go. The raid was intact & storage manager said it was fine.

 

chronoshift, sorry to hear that, you lost your recovery partition when Win 10 installed to the 1TB.

For others benefit, to avoid this happening to them, I recommend pulling the cable from the motherboard to the 1TB drive - while power is off - I do that whenever restoring to the RAID, either by BurnRecovery or by Macrium restore boot USB.

This is a common problem. Asus Backtracker will actually wipe / format / re-partition *all internal drives* when doing a restore. So always pull all internal drives not involved in the restore install.

This is also why to create the BurnRecovery USB recovery backup immediately upon powering up the GT80 the first time - before you get distracted and forget to do it.

 

I would simply get an imaging program when you are up and running and take an image of the machine all set up and store it somewhere, that way you are equally protected and don't need to worry about restore partitions.

 

At any rate I've sent it out to rma. I'm hoping it's a simple reset of the vga muxer and I'll feel silly if I could have done it by simply disconnecting the battery and the CMOS.

 

Meaker, it's a multi-stage process. First secure the restore partition by making the BurnRecovery usb boot drive.

BurnRecovery is an "imaging program", dedicated to backing up and restoring the recovery image.

Then progress through selecting, configuring, and tuning the hardware. You can use the BurnRecovery restore for this, for me it only took 12-18 minutes for a restore.

Then do the final build installs, updates, configure, and backup to a recovery image file. Try to put the image file in several places, including one that you can restore from quickly. I had to restore 538GB from a 2TB HDD, and it took 2 hours. Next time I will restore from an SSD.

Trying to shortcut through the recovery backup is what foils many, and trips them into the ditch before they even get started. Needing to RMA back to the vendor to get the OS restored is a slow and painful wait. Better to use the provided recovery image backup software and avoid the RMA.

You could also use the image backup software to backup the original configuration, before you do anything, and that would be as good as the vendor recovery backup. But, even then, its good to have 2 different recoverable backups, just in case one gets lost, corrupted, or used in an emergency when you have no other usb drive available