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    The Official MSI GT76 Titan Owners and Discussions Lounge

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by joskei, Jun 19, 2019.

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    I was so excited when I got a response to that question turns out it wasn’t meant for me LOL
     
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    MSI locked it down at 170w? @Falkentyne o_O
     
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    Anyone happy with this laptop? Thinking of getting one
     
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    170w is not bad man. if a socket + bios mod becomes available for the 10 core comet lake i'd turn HT off and throw it into the laptop, silicon lottery and undervolt the hell out of it.

    time to wait for the 10 cores laptop.. out in maybe 6-7 months and hope that there is BGA cancer design next time. clevo/msi/AW looking at you.
     
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    Do we know how much wattage the 2070 pulls in these and if the cooling solution is identical to the 2080 model?
     
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    Might be upcoming, I haven't seen anything about it yet. Might also only be for particular markets or vendors.
     
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    Here we go again - my laptop that had sleep function issues a few weeks ago, got a full factory reset that solved those issues.
    Now suddenly - nothing new has been installed - sleep is freezing my laptop. An RMA was offered by MSI and I managed to avoid it in the past, but not sure what's going on now.

    Grrrrr....
     
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    What BIOS are you on?
     
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    Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
     
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    I just moved over a 106 and it’s not as sleep and shutdown stable compared to 103.

    Of course the EC Firmware was updated at the same time so I’m not sure which is to blame.

    The GT76 definitely needs some attention. I’m all for growing pains but the early days of a laptops life are typically what it gets judged/reviewed on.
     
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    Bob if you look for the word "sleep" in MSI forums, and similar MSI laptop chats, you learn as I learned in the past few days, that other high-end laptops supper from unstable integration between windows and MSI hardware. This is unforgivable given the reputation MSI is pursuing, and the price of those laptops. I am getting close to giving up and RMA'ing my unit.
     
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    Great review as usual bro B0B. +rep :)

    I got a little curious in the 3DM FS Physics test(the CPU test). Didn't you see there's something weird with this sub test score? This doesn't look correct. Even lower than from Area-51m running equal clock speed.

    What I saw from your review was sub 23000 in the Physics with stock clocks and oc'd up to 5.0GHz barely above 24000.

    I run the same 3DMark firestrike test with stock clocks (4.7GHz on all cores) on my +4 years old Clevo P870.
    upload_2019-9-5_7-2-13.png
    This is 5.0GHz https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19419893

    Could you re-run the tests because the results from the review unit doesn't match what you should get from 9900K. Thanks
    upload_2019-9-5_6-47-0.png
    upload_2019-9-5_6-51-44.png
     
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    I ran them probably 20 times actually. The wattage limitation settling at 150w was the only thing I could figure. But even that, it’s not like the CPU is under constant load for it to settle.

    I can tell you this, the BIOS is really buggy (discussed in the description too) and it wants to fight with the DC software. In fact, the original setup I received from HID was the best version of this laptop. After trying to unlock more performance using the BIOS, (includes the hidden settings) uninstalling DC, reinstalling DC (which wasn’t the same even through it was the file from the direct MSI support page for this model) using BIOS 1.03 and 1.06 is was brought to my attention that HID and MSI are aware of this and are working on a solution.

    Because you’re definitely correct, the OC should have yield a higher score and I had a whole section planned to showcase performance scaling and how the desktop CPU offers so much more than the BGA “H” mobile CPUs.
     
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    Thanks. From what I think you said... You also tested without MSI's DC software. Aka tested with both bios versions and with only the most needed drivers.
    I also talked about the scores from Stock clocks. Because the problem ain't only with oc'd setup. Stock follow same paths.

    Continue your good work bro B0B. Because you're one of the very few Youtube reviewers of laptops it's worth look at. Too much Youtubers is more hunged up in design vs. how it should perform.
     
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    Absolutely tried it all. 5 weeks with this. The longer I messed with it the harder I knew this review was going to be.

    In the end, a few good BIOS updates later should help with the overall usability which is very welcome from an ownership standpoint.

    The other aspect is that, from my testing across many laptops the GT76 would have performed a little better if its GPU was directly connected to the display.

    Optimus was a really bizarre choice but that’s just my opinion.

    But, without even drawing a major attention to this fact, people have commented numerous times already that Optimus only is their deal breaker on purchasing the GT76.
     
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    Excellent review as ever, B0B :)

    Pretty surprised by those GPU temps for the 2080 though:
    2080 GPU temps.JPG

    That seems pretty high for using Liquid Metal imo, here are my GTX 980 temps with IC Diamond and max fans in a P870DM-G for comparision:
    980 temps.JPG

    That was ~30 mins in Unigine Valley and just under an hour gaming with FPS limits disabled. My GPU was slightly overclocked too:
    980 standard OC.gif

    I would imagine the GT76 has more powerful fans than the 5V models that Clevo use in the P870DM-G, the heatsink looks a bit beefier too so i'm not sure why the temps seem to be worse. Unless you have a much higher ambient than my 24 degrees :D
     
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    Play BFV in 64p Conquest for about 3 hours and see if it’ll run that cool.

    I’m not sure how Maxwell architecture cools per wattage compared to these 2k series so perhaps there’s something to consider, not sure.
     
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    Challenge accepted :)

    That could be the case, the die sizes and core layouts are different which could be affecting it. Its also possible the temps could be improved with slightly thinner thermal pads. I believe they are using fujipoly pads? Those are pretty hard and do not deform as much as the gelid ones i'm using.
     
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    Yeap, Optimus has dropped the GT76 off my list. Might as well get another GT75 with all the updated parts.
     
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    Quick question guys, is the rtx2080 in the gt76 a 200watt card?
    Also I can't seem to find a gt76 with the i9900k and a 1080p screen only 4k option in UK. I only game and dont fancy 4k just yet.
     
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    Yep - my thoughts exactly, which is why I went for the GT75...
     
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    Can anyone with the 2080 model share its vbios along with a GPU-Z screenshot?

    It's 200w right?
     
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    I can't find any specific mention of the GT76 GPU power limit by MSI or elsewhere - that's usually a sign it's probably not worth mentioning - likely it's 180w or less, and since it's a soldered part MSI probably would try to not push it as far.

    In reviews the GT76 2080 is not benchmarking as fast as full 2080's on the desktop, but doing well otherwise - especially against the 2080 max-q's, so I wouldn't worry about it.

    The only 2080 laptop I'm currently interested in is the Asus G703GX-XB96K which clearly says by Asus that the 2080 is 200w:

    ASUS ROG G703GX-XB96K 17.3” 144Hz G-Sync, Intel i9-9980HK, GeForce RTX 2080
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/asus-rog-g703gx-xb96k-17-3”-144hz-g-sync-intel-i9-9980hk-geforce-rtx-2080.830346/
     
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    I know that the Asus ROG G703GX, Acer Triton 700 and A51m have 200w vbioses. The GT76 seems to be in a similar class so I thought it would also sport a 200w vbios.
     
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    Since I can't find a specific quote anywhere for the GT76 as to the 2080 power, it might well be anything, but usually the top performance numbers are promoted front and center, and MSI hasn't done that for the 2080 power...
     
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    Fair point, that's how marketing works.

    Does anyone here a 2080 unit? What power draw is being reported by hwinfo64?
     
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    GT76 has a 200W 2080
    The Triton 900 has a 150W version and the 700 an even lower Max-Q design.

    Clevo P7 has a 150W and AW 51M everything from 180-200W depending on revision.
     
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    I'd appreciate recommendations for a sturdy backpack for the MSI GT76 and it's power bricks. Not planning daily trips with this thing, but I do need to travel with it occasionally. Need a backpack for this beast.
    Any suggestions? product links would be much appreciated.
     
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    I can get my gt75 into a 511 backpack, but I prefer a messenger bag. I use the Everki Lunar.
     
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    The everki is way more than I'd be willing to pay..

    Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk
     
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    Over time you'll find that with a heavy laptop you've gotta buy the most expensive most solidly built backpack, or you'll end up buying 3 or 4 over the life of a laptop, and then there's the next laptop to consider.

    I ended up buying the "Kitchen Sink" backpack from Oakley 4 or 5 years ago, and it's still a solid functional backpack, and it's carried 18" / 17", even multiple laptops, tablets, books, parts, etc.
    https://www.oakley.com/en-us/product/92060A?variant=887288724329

    I've had so many backpacks in the $50-$100 range fail at the straps over the years with heavy loads that I finally had to admit I needed a well built "expensive" bag that would last.

    I used a briefcase / satchel bag as well intermittently, but I wouldn't depend on them to last long against the weight I loaded up on back then

    Update: Darn the current model is cheap plastic, my "Kitchen Sink" is all leather with thick solid chromed metal fittings, so it looks like the quality has been degraded over the years:

    2 years ago
    Not as good as previous model
    This is my 3rd Designer Kitchen Sink Backpack. The quality of this backpack is not the same as previous models. My previous model was all leather and this model is like plastic. In the past, the top handle and fixtures at the bottom was Chrome and now they're black plastic. This new model is definitely inferior to my previous ones.
    https://www.oakley.com/en-us/product/921018#pdpBazaarVoice

    So if not that one, find a bag with solid strap construction - with wide straps with over-stitched seams - because with all that weight most backpacks straps will "roll over" and cut in to your shoulder, right before they pull apart at the seam.

    Everki was good when I checked it out years ago, but get up to date reports from owners before buying.
     
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    Yup, that's the kind of solid construction backpack that will last a long time. Love the thick padded wide ride harness too. Thanks for the link. :)



    Gotta love the John Wick 3 tie-in. :)

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    We got our popcorn and we're all ready to go watch John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum! To browse the same gear the actors used during weapons training:
    ...out https://www.511tactical.com/

    If you love the action scenes from this franchise as much as we do, watch this video showing the elite firearm training Taran Tactical provided for Keanu Reeves and Halle Berry.

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    It will actually hold my GT75 but its tight at the top, so something narrower would fit better. I use the stuff pouch for my headphones. At the very top by the grab handle it has a optics pouch. It holds my Oakley Flak Jacket hardcase and a spare set of glasses.

    For those trips that I know I will be stuck in tin can regional jets(they get anal with a full size carry on with wheels), I will use the Everki for the laptop and some extras and then drop the power bricks in the smaller main compartment. I have velcro in there to hold them to the MOLLE.
     
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    Hello.And please show me how the game will look wow on the monitor of this laptop in 4 K. Аnd in games you like to reduce the resolution?Does that make the picture much worse?
     
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    BadAss video!

    So, is the lack of GSYNC actually noticeable while gaming at higher settings/refresh?
     
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    The absence of Gsync is more noticeable after you’ve used it for awhile and now it’s gone.
     
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    I have to use my decoder ring for that one...

    So at first you see it, then after awhile you really don't notice it?
     
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    I believe hes saying going from a laptop WITH G-SYNC to one WITHOUT, there is a difference. However, your question was, "Is the lack of G-SYNC noticeable in games at higher refresh rates?" That's going to depend on what you're USED to gaming on and seeing. If, like @B0B you were just gaming on a laptop WITH G-SYNC enabled then YES there is a noticeable difference in those games comparatively. IF you're not used to seeing G-SYNC enabled I would think you won't notice any difference in lack of G-SYNC.
     
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    No one had that laptop after sleep or re-on does not connect to wifi?Asks to enter password and after entering is a cyclical connection.Access point deleted.Tried on different routers, the problem remained.The first connection goes normally, and then after reboot of a laptop or an exit from a sleep mode again demands input of the password from a point and does not connect though the password I enter correct.
     
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    I haven't seen the problem, but here's a detailed solution from a year ago... have you been updating Windows 10 in the last year?, not that it would fix it but just curious if this is a patched issue or a long unpatched problem that is still around:

    SOLVED: Windows 10 Will Not Save WiFi Password
    By Kevin Arrows March 11, 2018
    https://appuals.com/windows-10-will-not-save-wifi-password/

    Livne Niv Ainbinder2 years ago
    "or just disable "secure boot" in Bios. this solves the issue."

    Alexander Estrina month ago
    "Thanks. This actually worked."

    jermine evans8 months ago
    "Method 1 & 4 Worked . Thumbs Up"
     
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    Thank you, tried, not helped. I have a slightly different problem. The laptop not just does not save the password,and at input anew, the router does not define it,some minutes there is a connection,then again asks input the password.Although the password is correct.
     
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    And how in the BIOS to disable secure boot?
     
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    MSI has the Mystic Knight which should both accommodate the GT76 if you wanted to match the brand.
    https://us.msi.com/Collections/pages/Mystic-Knight-Gaming-Backpack
     
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