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Owners of GT75VR, can you please do two quick-tests?

1) Any of you by any change, own the game Assassins Creed Origins?

Im going to ask you for a favor, id love to see some pics of INTEL XTU monitor while playing, lets say, the game for 20 minutes straight, on the most demading areas of the game, like Memphis or Alexandria. (you can get a 100% savegame online in case you arent that far in the game)

Why im asking you this, you say, well im having some troubles with my current laptop, and if msi cant fix my problems with it, i will buy a different model, such as GT75VR model.

So, i need some feedback first.

2) Lock the frame-rate at 60fps, and check if you have any flickering, on the right side of the screen, top of the corner of the screen, while playing your favorite games with G-Sync On and V-Sync OFF?

Please guys, i need to know if i have a problem with my screen.

(answer on my thread about this issue)

Thank you all.

 

1) I own ACO. I will do an XTU monitor/ HWINFO monitor. My CPU and GPU normally range around 70degs and I'm on ULTRA settings. I have never crashed or auto shutdown, neither has my fans run on MAX after repaste.

2) I only had issues with FPS when it's above 100. This is ACO's issue as I have discovered searching google. With FPS above 100, it makes mouse input lag. I have since locked to 60FPS and never had any issues or crash. I have G-Sync On.

No problems whatsoever.

 

Yes I held it down and screw diagonally, 3 rotations per screw. No screws loose. This is the dot method. I realised from @Falkentyne 's post from GT73VR thread that it dries the paste really quickly. I have since used Noctua with the spreading method and my temps seems to be better but 5-10deg differences in Core0,2 and 1,3. I have a feeling the HS is not very flat. I'm thinking of lapping, thoughts?

I'll show VID tonight, at work now. Yes the kryonaut degraded with the dot method. I've since swapped back to Noctua with spreadding with a bookmark , can't find a creditcard small enough to fit.

FYI, I can't go above 4.2ghz. It crashes and I'm not that amazing at OCing. I just used @Phoenix settings from GT73VR post.

 

Thanks for the response, man!

You never noticed stutters while playing the game at all? and no flickering on the screen with G-Sync ON and V-Sync off? (with 60fps lock)

Thank you man, i will wait for you feedback.

 

Nope. No flickering. As I said, the only issue was mouse input lag for about 1-2sec because on high FPS. If you do a search "ACO mouse input lag". You'll see there's tons of it.

I can do a shadow play for you tonight to show you with the FPS overlay.

Its an amazing machine for ACO. No stutter, no frame rate drop, no flicker, no crash.



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These are times that try men's soul's

3 turns, 1/4 turn at a time? It's important to tighten them all in small increments so as to not tilt the surfaces...

There must be some technique to affixing the parts that ends up aligning those surfaces correctly, as it was done in production.

As @Donald@HIDevolution said they aren't seeing this problem and they pull apart GT73's for re-pasting as part of some orders, so they must know how to do it correctly too...

Same for the other boutique shops that offering GT73 repasting...

This situation is one of those that is at the core of my recommendation for non-professionals to *not* re-paste, as it's a nightmare waiting to happen to you.

If the laptop isn't cooling to your satisfaction upon opening it up and undervolting - really required due to the standard BIOS CPU voltage being too high - if after undervolting it's still thermal throttling, then return it and get another unit.

Otherwise, as long as it isn't thermal throttling - where you lose performance - there is no reason to re-paste - it's a vanity mod if it's not for performance.

Anyway, for those of you caught in this, I'd return it and get another one. Or RMA it and explain to MSI your travails and humbly beg for mercy.

Or send it to one of the boutique shops and ask them to re-paste it for you - but they won't do it for the low price included in a build, since you didn't buy it from them they will charge real money.

I wouldn't waste time lapping, or looking for longer screws, or magic paste, I'd cash in my hand, maybe change tables, and re-deal a better hand.

If you are using the spread method, use a *THIN* coverage, where you can see the high spots through the paste. The paste isn't supposed to be a pancake, it's supposed to be a thin veil that fills low spots and doesn't cover high spots. The last photo's I saw they used *waaaay* too much paste, as it squirted out the edges of the CPU over time, and showed thick ridges on the heatplate, yipe!

Thick paste with heat applied on a low pressure mating over time will "flow" out from the pressure reducing the volume in random spots, and the surfaces will tilt... causing varying thermals, core temperature differentials, and general instability of readings due to pressure changes from movement and uneven changes in pressure. Thin paste won't do that...

Sorry to see so many having such a bad time... sigh.

 

I did RMA, and MSI replaced the heatsinks, fans and motherboard but was seeing 99deg in AIDA64 tests and they emailed and said they do not know what's going on and asked if I wanted a full replacement.

I said no because I forgot to backup my drives. Hehe. Lol.


Edit -

I have a feeling, sooner or later the OCD architect in me is going to make a screw jig that screws all 4 at the same time with my 3D printer that has been sitting idle lol.


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I hope that really is a joke, because MSI should have been happy to swap the drives between the units, and sent you the new unit with your data... call them asap and see if they can still do it.

 

You want to do a trade? I get no mouse input lag hahahaha

Thanks for the feedback man, im really grateful

How does the shadow play works? (sorry im a noob)

 

Yeah, well what if the "right" way to do it is to hold down at the center of the heatplate, pressing the surfaces together, and feeling the tilt as each screw is turned, adjusting for balance in turns by the feel. The 3d printer won't have that feature.

 

They said they needed to wipe in order to see if it's a software issue that's causing the CPU to run high. (Perhaps a Bitcoin virus/miner).

I am currently still quite happy with the computer so far. Will wait and see.

Shadowplay is Nvidia's Screen Capture program, native to the GPU.

Haha, I'm sure I can work out a gear rig with a pressure sensor in my free time..

 

Ah, yeah, that's why I suggest backing up the MSI OS using MSI's boot image creator - BurnRecovery onto a bootable USB thumb drive - or DVD set - to allow you to restore it for a sanity check before RMA - and as a base to send back to MSI clean for them to debug the hardware problems.

Many don't know that and immediately blow away all the partitions and do a "clean install", which is silly really - just disable or uninstall any MSI tools you don't want running.

There is no advantage to a clean install performance wise, and even so at least backup the original image so you can have it for future use - when you can't find or solve a problem, it helps to have it as a sanity check - restore to the out of the box OS configuration, and if it still has a problem then it's a hardware issue and not an OS image issue.

MSI could have used their own bench spares to load the OS for testing - pulling your drives to preserve them, just ask nicely. Saves the round trip of shipping to backup your stuff, and their time repacking and then unpacking again.

They get measured on turn over - in / out - not successes, so you need to know the correct state to RMA it so they won't pull that crap on you to get it off their table.

Return it for RMA like it came out of the box, provide clear reproducible test results to identify the problem and focus their attention, and don't ask for extra's, that's the best way to assure a single trip in for RMA.

 

Thanks to Mr @Falkentyne my GT75VR is now up and running with LM. i forget to do some test before and after.. shame on me.
regarding to the flat (just 2 rooms) i can't use cooler boost for gaming and the temps are only 1-2° better (use IC Diamond before) when i use it with the standard fan control.

My experience so far with my 1080 with normal fan use:
i change from standard paste to grizzly kryonaut and the temps drop down from 85°+ to 82° with peaks to 84°
from grizzly to ic diamond and my temps drops from 82° to 80° with peaks to 82°
from ic to lm just 1° to 79° with peaks to 82°.
to provide more and better values i need more testing but i don't have so much time for this.

the next days i get an GE73VR 7RF which i bought for my sister and i bought an GS63VR 6RF for my wife. so i will do some tests with this devices.

 

The fans are low speed until 76C. And gain another speed after 81C So Kryonaut and LM will not show much difference on a 1080 because the fans are not spinning fast enough.
But 1080 must be kept cool, it will throttle 13 mhz every 6C (or 8C, i forgot). For faster speed, pascal must not run hot...

 

Guys, is there any poing of buying gt75vr with gtx 1080 and 7820k on board or it is better to wait for new models of 8th generator processors and 20x GPUs ?

 

Just watched Fury again a couple of nights ago...I love that movie!

Buy now or wait. That is always the question because something new is always right around the corner. Just know that if you wait for the next gen GTX 20xx it won't be released until sometime this Fall.

What are you going to use the computer to do?

 

Nothing wrong with buying that, since the intel security fiasco sort of made buying chips a bad proposition right now to begin with. If you really want a BGAbook, that has a really nice FULL PER KEY RGB keyboard that Phoenix would die for. But I personally would never touch BGA again, and I know Master @Papusan and Phoenix will always fail to marry each other just because of how Brother @Phoenix loves his steelseries keyboard and his well built reliable MSI Megabook (official name), while Brother @Papusan wouldn't be caught with a MSI cancerbook NOSbook Jokebook Turdbook on his gravestone.

 

I heard someone mentioning my name...

 

nice, can you speak english plz ? ))

 

If I could click a dislike button for that post, I woulid....

 

Ouch...no need for that. @antonydizzz is new to the forum, so doesn't know the long history behind your post...so to him, it doesn't make sense.

 

what is a BGAbook and why is it bad ?

 

It was a joke. He still had no reason to tell me to speak english, however. he could simply ask me to explain something he is confused about.
That was extremely tilting.

 

@Papusan ?

 

Lol man, it was my way of asking you to explain )

 

Papusan will explain. He'll have alot of fun with this.

 

When @Papusan and/or @Mr. Fox, @Johnksss, @Rage Set and countless others get finished explaining their loathing for BGA laptops, and @Phoenix explains his loathing for the Clevo keyboard on the LGA models, you will have a clearer picture.

However keep in mind that for Benching, an LGA is a MUST, but for most other tasks, including gaming, not so much. When all is said and done, you will typically get a cooler running laptop with a BGA CPU, and for most applications it isn't worth the extra heat, and necessary tuning, that comes with an LGA CPU.

 

It depends what you need it for. The gt75vr is still a very capable bit of kit and I'd imagine there will be some nice discounts on the old tech when the new stuff is released.

 

BGABOOK is known by many names. JokeBook, Turdbook, FilthBook etc. What's the name BGA comes from... Ball grid array .

Land grid array This is tech used for desktops and a few nice Clevo laptops and a single Msi Barbones.

BGAbooks use soldered/welded on hardware instead of of socketed hardware. It's a reason for this... It's cheaper to implement in notebooks and you can't change your hardware a easy way (it's soldered on Motheboard - You need to replace the whole MB).
Always pay for the longest possible warranty. Or BGA could or will be an expencive experience for you.

BGA processors will never perform the same way as LGA processors from same processor family. This most likely due the processor binning and often use of flimsy cooling... See TRIPOD heatsink design.

Want a better processor than the one you got... This will be a damn lottery.

Unacceptable options and limited alternative choices if you want better performance. Non-upgradable aka freedom of choice if you want change your hardware to something better.

Low processor performance from BGA = Because of this will OEM's use Weak cooling. Often use of Unified HS design (shared heatsink/pipes between cpu gpu). Inferior cooling due thin flimsy laptop design(BGA is designed for CrApple thin laptop design).

BGA is introduced because laptops can be thinner. See... inferior cooling. Forget Good motherboard build quality. Often low end MB components.

MXM video card and i7 processors can't be replace when each of them fail. Need to replace the whole MB. Good luck if you draw a shorter than average straw in the silicon lottery with a needed MB replacement.

Most BGA machines is normally more difficult to maintenance inside vs. the socket machines. +++ BGA is TRASH!!

A few threads with info...

BGA Venting Thread It's a long thread, but read it

BGA vs PGA continuation

How Dell cripple performance explained Not so much about MSI. But can give you some info why BGA is bad.

This is from Alienwares first BGAbooks in history... Alienware 15 R1 Throttle mess to 0.78 GHz

 

Well stated. If you go BGA, lower your expectations accordingly. Expect less performance, less quality, poor thermal management, more expensive repairs. Expect to pay too much for what you get in return for the money spent. Prepare yourself to live with the mistake, as you will have only yourself to blame for it.

 

In General yes, but in the case of the MSI GT73VR and GT75VR they actually have very decent cooling

 

Yeah, this should be the normal, but I have seen too much to be fully agree with this statement. Some run hot whatever you feed them.

Lower clock speed will create lower heat. The way it should be. I tested BGA clocks last year with my Clevo

 

Unfortunately, that is not the norm. It's good to have at least one or two exceptions to the rule as proof of what a really inexcusably poor job of engineering most of the manufacturers do at thermal management with BGA turdbooks. Having an exception or two allows us to hold them accountable for the plethora of screw-ups and for not trying harder to do a good job. And, we don't know how effective the cooling would be if it could run stable at 5.0GHz or more and pulling 150-200W from the CPU. Since it can't, we don't know if it would be up for that task.

So, we can scratch the incompetent thermal management off the list for one model, maybe two, but all of the other reasons BGA sucks are (unfortunately) still applicable. A thin and light form factor will always result in failure if one expects high performance and respectable overclocking. If you're not hell bent on having thin and light, settling for a big, thick and heavy BGA turdbook doesn't make a lot of sense either.

 

Bro @Phoenix I really like this one +rep

 

Considering I can overclock my taptop from its base 3.6 GHz to 4.4 GHz without any mods and just by changing 2 or 3 parameters in the BIOS is a pretty darn good thing IMO for a BGA laptop. When it comes to BGA, if one must do it, MSI is the best with their screens, cooling, and keyboards.

They are not for winning contests in benchmarking or anything like that I agree, and everyone here knows why I ditched LGA for an MSI.... because of this guy >>>>>>

 

What are you a

How do you find my posts from 3 years ago and exactly for the right situation.......

ok, this is me right now...

 

Yikes! You pulled that from 2 1/2 years ago...yup, things do change over time.
What amazes me @Papusan, is how you can remember and dig up these old posts...amazing indeed!

 

It is fun when you can look at both sides.

There is a lot more to read about the LGA vs. BGA battle all over this forum, but the main point is, to let people know the differences, pros and cons of each, and can then make a decision for themselves about what suits them best.

Welcome to the culture of the Notebookreview Forum Community.

 

I can live well with the Clevo keyboards, but not with inferior performance or soldered hardware. Better keyboard, prettyer chassis design or fancy keyboard lights won't let you do the job faster. I have also the last Alienware with normal proper hardware as well in my portefolio of notebooks. It contain a highly priced keyboard that most computer users talk about even today. But I can't say it is in an much higher league. I manage my dayly tasks pretty normal with what I have... The keyboard some of you will call inferior or not happy with.

Old, doesn't mean you have lost your mind

Yees, sir. Forum like notebookreview can and will give a lot more useful info to the people than many of the review sites And if people don't listening on you.. Repeat it

 

Phoenix, you just got owned by the kitty I can't find. By your best friend @Papusan

 

Phoenix =

PS: Download the Phoenix Smilies and insert the appropriate BB Code for a smiley where needed

The Kitty smiley is called PWND with a P not an O

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What more can be said about LGA vs. BGA than you can see in this pict DESIGNED BY ME? I'm 100% sure bro @Mr. Fox is agree.

 

Not to go too far off topic, but even yes, if you MUST choose a BGA desktop replacement, your best bet is the GT73VR or GT75VR throttlebook @Papusan , but even THESE still have issues with the cooling sometimes.

@Shehary , someone who has been VERY helpful with disassembly and parts pictures in the GT73VR thread, has had to deal with MSI's lackluster QA. The guts (internals) are good, since they do make their own motherboards and video cards, but they've had some VERY big issues with the exterior. Like the solder coming off of AC jacks, the GT72s hinge problem (this is legendary), the prochot issue some GT72VR users are now having in an active thread (ok that's not exterior, but still), and warped heatsinks on the CPU. Shehary had to sand down his heatsink after seeing defects on the surface, as well as change to 0.5mm thermal pads, to prevent core temp difference from uneven pressure. And uneven pressure will cause aftermarket thermal paste to slowly 'dry out' and pump out (from thermal stress changes) on the side with the least pressure. I had to do some sanding for my liquid metal application, and saw Kryonaut degrading on the "hotter" 2 cores, just like several others, and @Ivan994 recently struggled massively with extremely bad core temp differences, until he also sanded down the heatsink and then did extra sanding on the bottom side, to get the pressure balanced. End result: almost perfect core temp balances for both ivan994 and Shehary.

The exact reason Phoenix had Kryonaut degrade wasnt due to Kryonaut being crap. it was due to imbalanced heatsink pressure. But at the time, no one knew what was going on. Only after I started seeing core temp differences when switching to LM, and seeing core temp differences (and degradation) of both Phobya Nanogrese Extreme (ALWAYS on cores 0 and 2) and Kryonaut, did I figure out what was happening.

The CPU heatsink blocks are mass produced. The exact same block is used on several MSIbooks, not just the GT73VR and GT75VR. Just the soldering of the heatpipes are different to accommodate different layouts. With mass produced blocks being used across different lines, and a thick thermal "paste stamp" used to cover up defects in the engineering, you are going to get some issues when using aftermarket paste.

@GENOCID is going through the same problem.

And this isn't a rant singling out MSI either. The warped and imbalanced heatsink problems on the P870 DM series was just as legendary, requiring sanding and mods and shims just to fix Clevo's incompetence.

The one thing MSI completely nailed down perfectly is SINGLE CARD GPU Cooling. They put in some work with that. Clevo could learn a thing or two from that.

 

Thanks for the secret codes.

 

What does the Fox say?

 

BGA Venting Thread

 

wow, it's not as easy as I thought.. My friend has gt62 dominator (or something like that) with 970 on board and he is totally fine with it, until yesterday lol, his laptop started to turn off after temps reach 81> degrees, but with cooler boost it still works, i think he needs to repaste it, his laptop has been working fine for about 2 or 3 years.
Actually I don't care about points in benchs or performance in some heavy applications (like falcon heavy flight path building and 3d model rendering of its engines lol ) just want a laptop to play games when I have to stay at job for nights and have an ability to take it for weekend in suburb.
I think there is no alternative in performance power and LGA except of Clevo with 8th intel generation, but i dont' have this one in my country, it seems that the only one thing I can buy is BGAbook (yes I already hate it after reading some pages of your holywar guys )) ) gt75 with 7820hk and pray for getting the good silicon quality example or somthing like that. Hope I will not get 90C brick.

By the way, is there any chance of getting a microstuttering problem, like with ge73?

My friend which I mentioned above hasn't even heard the vents while gaming pubg and etc (until yesterday lol). mb I will get the same experience ).

Am I right in my case ?
But thank you all guys for informing me even in the way you do it)

 

I don't think so... GT and GE are different Series Notebooks.
GT has no otpimus in use because you use the GT's with the GTX card or you use it with the GTX card.
only one choise and no compromise and to be honest to buy the GT75VR 7RF 033 Titan Pro was the best choice for me.
I sold my GT73VR for a good prize and i got an good prize when i bought this beauty...
And i love this fantastic mechanical Keyboard.

I have an GE73 here in use and no stuttering at all.
The only thing is that creepy freezing for a few seconds when the os/driver is not able to use the iGPU instead of the GTX but this is an os or driver related issue which must be fix from nvidia/intel/microsoft.

And if you want to mod your lady... then you are at the best forum to find informmations from all the guys here!