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I'm in no rush but....

Most likely a MS-1763 from Gentech once the new chipset stepping in in them.

The SR2 adapter I have should work nicely in it.

Another option is a pair in a GX70 bought locally.

 

WTP

Glad you got the adapter
Interesting SSD the one you posted. However I can't seem to find any info regarding specs. It's all in korean. Their half-size mSATA boasts pretty high numbers for being only a 128GB drive.
If the regular mSATA goes higher, this could become a real performer
Even the controller (rat8500) is new.

 

Yup, it's OEM (actually QS) from a seller in China. Got it for $549 shipped and promised no duties etc.

Here in Canada the 4900MQ's are (at cheapest) $615 + $13 shipping + tax = $710

Buying from the US might have saved me a little, but shipping costs, duties, and tax would have mostly killed the deal.

I'm not too concerned about a retail package - so long as the CPU works, that's all that matters

 

QS chips are illegal and may still have bugs in them ofc and have no warranty :/

 

Sometimes in our efforts to save a little, it ends up costing a lot. Interestingly enough, my OEM 4900MQ was $543 from Ken@GenTech, but had I opted it in the original purchase, the upgrade would have only been $425. Hind-sight is so 20/20, isn't it?

ES and QS processors are frequently and illegally sold out of China. I hope you can back out of the deal, or a least you do not have embedded code issues, and that it is ' fully' functional. Problems with these processors can also be a latent condition. That is to say, a problem may not manifest itself immediately..... just like a component suffering ESD. If you have any problems, good luck with any warranty you may have been promised. I wish you the best.

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I'm not particularly worried about it. QS processors are generally fine.
They are one step prior to OEM release and have all the functionality of the final product.

That said, I'm keeping my 4700MQ just in case something does go wrong.


ES processors on the other hand I'd stay away from. They often have certain features disabled and can be dodgy for stability.

 

It shall be a race to see who get's theirs first!! I will toast my drink to you this evening. Good purchase

Btw, I did standard shipping, so if you paid for extra shipping, I have no chance of winning. lol

 

eBay, right?

My own experiences, and many cases I've seen, are not quite so optimistic..... but I do wish you the best. It's your choice, your money risked, and your satisfaction is all that matters, I guess.

ES and QS processors are from the same cloth, you have no warranty, and Intel's position is quite clear on the matter.

I hope the perceived $161 savings, doesn't turn to a $549 loss.

 

can anybody tell me if the heat issue is already fixed?
from what I heard by doing a paste/pad job it is fixed right? (do resellers provide these service?)

this is really keeping me from buying

also, can anyone give me links to make this beast utilize at full performance? (I'm very noob, I tried to look around and there were just too many for me to at the moment, so a link would be very much appreciated)

Thanks

 

How are the CPU temps on this model?

I currently have an MSI GT780DXR had it two years), and am seriously considering buying a GT70-20D, but only if they have fixed the CPU temp issues. On my MSI GT780DXR, any games which use the CPU for 100% (whhich is most) will push the cpu temps to the thermal throttle limit of 100c within about 20-30mins. This laptop has been back to MSI once to have this problem fixed, but whatever they did made no difference. (GPU temps on this laptop are fine by the way).

I just bought an Alienware 17, but returned it today as they thermal throttle the GPU to a stupid low temp of 77c. I want to get a GT70-20D, but only if I can be confident that I won't have the same CPU temp issue as with my MSI GT780DXR.

 

Hey Guys i just got my dragon edition 2, i installed starcraft 2 and run the game with the nvidia card

It is throttling a lot, i end up setting the graphics to medium and still sometimes glitches, after sometime some cracking started from the speakers

I push the nos button and it worked much better but still glitching from time to time, i may have some bad configuration or something is wrong with my laptop, any advice?

 

The CPU is temps are fine. In fact temps on this machine overall are actually pretty dang good when you use turbo fan. Now without turbo fan if I run BF3 on stock fan profiles (which are quiet while gaming) I will get 80s CPU and 90-92C GPU. If you go above 92C the card will throttle down from turbo boosted core 849 to 771mhz. I tested this the other day and it only made a 4-5fps difference. Not super noticeable.

With turbo fan on its a hugely different machine. I ran Bioshock Infinte Maxed settings last night for 1hr with turbo fan on and I got 68-70C GPU/ and 50s-60s CPU. BF3 with turbo fan will get around 70-75C GPU and 70sC CPU. This can all vary depending on ambient temps though.

 

Cheers for the quick response. So with this model it sounds like the GPU temps are higher than the CPU temps. Running stock without boost, is the turbo fan necessary to ensure the GPU temps stay below the throttle point? (even when running a game like Crysis that maxxes the CPU for 100%). I'm trying to understand if turbo fan is only necessary when boosting, or if its required even at stock.

It sounds like this might be the model to go for, but after my problems with my current MSI I really want to be sure that I won't have temp issues.

 

I just received my GT70-2OD-064US (With IC Diamond upgrade, Samsung Pro 256gb SSD and 16gb RAM) and so far I'm very happy with it. Temperatures on the GTX780M are steady in the low 80's running on ultra on Bioshock Infinite with stock fan profiles. I imagine with turbo fans on temps would be even lower, but it is loud for sure.

Here are the numbers from benchmarks I ran. I'm running 311.48 drivers on a clean Windows 8 install.



Are these numbers consistent with my configuration? If not, what could I do to improve my numbers?



Here's CDM numbers for good measures.

 

It depends on the game. BF3 for example will tax the GPU to 99%, and yes I would recommend turbo fan, otherwise it will probably throttle and then crank up and then throttle etc. Its not dangerous as it protects itself, and really not that noticeable as I said before, but if you want max performance at all times use the turbo fan. Other games it is not necessary as the GPU doesn't get nearly as taxed and doesn't get as hot. Hope that helps.

Also I wouldn't doubt it if MSI is going to release a Fan Profile update soon, and using Turbo fan won't be necessary. As it is now, without turbo fan, the fans run a bit too low, preferring low noise over low temps. I think they will find a nice middle ground.

 

Cheers mate - good to know. Expected availability date on the GT70-20 here in The Netherlands seems to be around the 20th July (at least in the shop I buy all my hardware from). This gives me another week to lurk around here reading before I decide if I'm going to pull the trigger

 

You should use the turbo fan button before you start the game and also download MSI after burner and Hwinfo 64 so you can monitor your temps and see what is going on with the throttling.

You can set up HWinfo and Afterburner so they show up on the screen while your playing the game and you can monitor the temps in realtime instead of having to ALT-TAB back to the desktop to check your temps .

Beyond that the current drivers for the MSI machines are not the newest and we dont know what fixes a newer set of drivers could bring . So your glitching could be driver related or heat related its hard to say until you start monitoring your temperatures.

 

I try putting the power options to game and the eco mode to game also, push the turbo and start the game... all in ultra, temperatures stay on ~50, sweet

Thanks for the help

 

Try installing the 320.xx drivers with a modded inf file, the instructions should be a few pages back in this thread, i saw a small increase in snythetic benchmarks, and others have confirmed noticable in game FPS increases. The 311.48 drivers are alrigh, but since theyre not official 780m gtx drivers they may be a little immature compared to something official. I also think the Sagers with the 780m w/o optimus perform slightly better (around 5 percent) than the laptops with optimus due to the fact the cpu doesn't have to decide which gfx card to use

 

I'm waiting on the Haswell USB bug to be fixed before purchasing this.

Any word on when exactly this will be? End of July/August?

It's the only thing that is stopping me from purchasing right now. My computer sleeps a lot and although I rarely have a USB device connected, it is not outside the realm of possibility that I will.

Any thoughts on this? I want one of these so bad.

 

Have people confirmed this bug is actually a problem ? or is this all based on the original comment that Intel would be shipping the machines with the problem . I cant say i have ever seen it happen with mine in the couple times i left external drives plugged in for abit and let the computer sleep.

 

so I'm almost at the point of ordering one today - but I'm slightly worried by the fact that non of the sellers here in The Netherlands offer re-pasting as an option. Am I going to be OK with the stock paste job, or will I hit throttling? I understand that with GPU heavy games I will need to use turbofan, but I absolutely don't want it still to throttle with turbofan on.

 

According to MSI Intel has patched it through driver and BIOS.

the quality of stock paste varies, sometimes they just put too much MX-2. however, if you are worry you can always re-paste with IC Diamond yourself and don't worry about the warrant issues.

 

Thats the thing, I don't feel comfortable repasting myself, and nor should I have to on a laptop of this price.

 

With turbo fan on you will not get any throttling.

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Cheers - thats what I'm hoping - however on my MSI GT780DXR the CPU will hit 100c and throttle in heavy games, even with turbofan on. Has the cooling design been improved in the newer models? This MSI GT780DXR has been back to them once to fix this problem - but whatever they did it made no difference. It will be 2 years old at the end of this month. Really want to get the GT70-20D, but don't want to go through the same crap again....

 

I just got my latest issue of one of my monthly PC mags (APC) and the editors had a conversation with an anonymous source at a major motherboard manufacturer who said the so-called C2-stepping chipsets were arriving at their factories as early as June. When they did testing of the USB issue, the issue was STILL present. What's more, the problem seemed to only affect Windows 8 builds.

The source also claimed that the problem had indeed been fixed on both C1 and C2 stepping boards through a series of Windows 8 hotfixes in combination with the latest driver software from Intel. This begs the question of why Intel released C2 stepping boards and also if the C2 stepping doesn't fix the USB issue, what does it fix?

At the time of editing, the mag was still waiting on Intel to respond. So maybe the issue has been fixed after all.

 

Throttling only starts at 92 degrees C. With turbo fan ON even when gpu is overclocked temps should stay in the 80s. Cpu with be 70-80 range.

With stock fan profile gpu in crysis 3 can get to 92 degrees C, CPU high 80s. Less intensive games should stay in mid to high 80s.

Current msi gt70 models have a thermal bridge between cpu and gpu which is supposed to improve cooling efficiency 10 to 15%.

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All of this has been covered numerous times within the thread, but I'll add a thought or two......

As to paste, the common issue with ALL manufacturers (a production issue) is usually the over application of the TIM. This problem generally becomes more apparent when dealing with high-end, power hungry hardware. Gaming notebooks are a breed apart, and it is a constant challenge for manufacturers, battling heat and noise.... and trying to establish a happy-medium thereof. Chances are, your factory TIM application will be fine, but with any manufacturer, this can be hit-or-miss. I think most notebook gamers and enthusiast understand this, and it is common-place checking, testing, and replacing the TIM application. Heck, for mere peace of mind, I do this or have it done, with every new notebook. Should you have to do this? NO, and perhaps you will not need to...... but I think most gaming notebook owners do for assurances sake, especially given the money they've spent.

Has MSI improved the cooling design? Certainly, but along with this has also come significant advancements in the hardware as-well, and the challenges remain. Does this notebook get warm? Yes, all high-end gaming notebooks do, but making comparisons with a GT780DXR is of little value. The GT70 2OD is an entirely different animal, with improvements across the board. I have owned (or still own), two GT780's (my wife still loves hers), GT783 (still my mobile platform), GT70 0NE (SOLD - temps & throttling), and now pleasantly pleased with (and still testing) the GT70 2OD. Frankly, previous models are not even in the same league with the GT70 2OD, and again given it's hardware, there is better power mgmt., little to no throttling, and reasonable temp and noise levels. Also, let's not forget that the GT70 2OD is still in it's infancy, and we have yet to see little more than production release drivers. A current 'game-optimized' 780M release alone, will be a significant improvement. At the moment, most current game test and benchmarks mean little to me, but more an indicator of better things to come. Heck, look how fast we've seen GPU and GPU unlocks!

All of this said, overall MSI has done a really decent job given the current tech.

As to folks concerned with the USB bug, yes, this could be a nuisance to some, but is really of no major consequence. As Quadzilla mentioned, I simply am not seeing this issue, so I also feel this must have been addressed.

 

I suspect it has been fixed.

I have a few different USB 3.0 storage devices and even more that are USB 2.0.
So far I haven't had a single problem on any of them with the GT70-2OD being put to sleep mode.

 

Cheers! Are those temps with the stock paste job, or after a re-paste?

 

I really appreciate the summary information I've dug through almost 50 pages of this thread now, and found lots of useful information on the temps, but nothing that I would consider really conclusive. Your post really helps. I think I will pull the trigger on this one, as I am very impressed with MSI overall (despite the temp issue on my current laptop).

 

stock.

.............

 

Continued thinking on your two year old GT780DXR has brought on another thought.......

In time, TIM can degrade and dust WILL accumulate, causing temps to elevate significantly. Have you noticed your fan seems to spin-up more than usual? I so, time for a good internal cleaning and re-paste. I've known some owners in dusty environments (especially with smoke or pets) that need a good cleaning, quarterly. All gaming notebook owners should expect periodic cleaning, and eventually a re-paste. My wife's GT780DX (same age) fan now spins noticeably harder, so that's on my honey-do list.

Every time I seat behind the Dragon 2, I find myself smiling a little bit inside. You'll like the GT70 2OD, and I bet you'll agree, there is no turning back.

Also, I think you will find the GT60 2OD and Bareboner's threads are helpful. When reviewing reported temps, there are variables to consider, such as testing conditions or ambient room temps. Manys times this info is not represented..... so drawing meaningful conclusions can be difficult. Have you seen THIS POST or THIS POST? If you continue reading therein, you will find other helpful contributions and data from other users.

 

I've had the back off my GT780DXR a few times, and its currently nicely dust free (always was in fact). It went back to MSI about 4 months ago, with specific instructions from my reseller for them to repaste CPU and GPU. Not sure what MSI did, but its not making much difference. in the colder months the temps are OK (as in 5-10c below the CPU thermal limit of 100c when pushed hard). Its more in summer when its a problem. Strangely the idle temps are actually not bad at all (CPU currently idling at 43c whilst I type this). With ambient room temps of 24c I can run crysis 3 with turbofan on, and the CPU will eventually reach about 96c (after about 30mins), but not higher. With turbofan off it will throttle. The GPU has never been an issue, and currently tops-out at around 85c without turbofan under sustained load.

Going to speak to my reseller next week and pull the trigger on this one I think:

MSI GT70 2OD-084NL - Laptopshop.nl

Their price is not the best, but their service is excellent - and I've bought my last 3 laptops from them so they will probably knock a bit off the price this time around.

 

WHAT, no Google Translate link? No matter, I figured it out!

Coming from the GT780, you are going to love those mSATA SSD's and the 780M!

Enjoy!

 

Can someone help me find Pherein's fan control tool download? I've looked everywhere
Or just post the the program so I can try it, will be much appreciated.

 

Message me your email and ill send you what is needed.

 

I am tempted to double my vector in my next setup lol.

 

Anybody have cyberlink powerdvd i uninstalled because i wanted to reinstall it since it wasnt playing blurays but is not on the cd that came with the laptop :S

 

I tried both 320.20 and 320.49 with modded inf and the benchmarks wouldn't complete due to some problems. That and the control panel was missing a bunch of setting options. Went back to 311.48 and I'll just wait until MSI release their own drivers.

I have a similar issue with having the Blu-Ray drive with no software. The reseller said to contact MSI support first to see if they'll help with that. Odd that they didn't just include it in the drivers disk in the first place.

 

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i wonder did any 1 try this before ?
Cooling down the laptop ....
Not sure how effective it is...
Have two version ,1 is suck the hot air out another is push cool air

original link from China website :
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That's pretty cool, Mini coolers !
Probably not but they do look interesting, have you tried them?

 

no,but i already place an order
which push the cold air to inner laptop component will be more suitable since the GPU are near to the DVD-ROM

 

I've created a basic fan control program for the GT70 20D that allows you to manually set the speed of the fan. I've only tested it on my dragon edition 2 with 4900mq cpu. The fast mode is probably the only setting that will be of use to most people because it is better than stock when gaming but quieter than the cooler boost turbo fan mode. If anyone is interested in trying it then let me know. Here's a screenshot:

 

is this compatible with msi-1763 barebone??

 

nice job, if you place the percentage of fan load then will be a lot helpful :thumbsup:

 

That just steals air from the main fan, it might actually hurt your temperatures.

 

hmm but MSI main fan place so far away from the DVD-ROM ...... main fan is suck the hot air out and attach with the heat sink with connected to the GPU and CPU.....not sure how to steals the air from the main fan....

For (push cold air ) version it look like create the air flow or it can say the more air flow create , the faster the heat dissipation
but also need to consider the enough hole for the air flow out