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this question is unrelated to your problem:

I've noticed in your picture that you have mini heatsinks attached to the gpu and cpu heat tubes. How much difference do these make to your temps? if at all.

 

NVIDIA Kepler VBIOS mods - Overclocking Editions, modified clocks, voltage tweaks - Page 46

It free here, I flash mine and running perfectly fine .

 

I don't recall a minimum, but I have supported him through several GPU's now, he updates frequently, and has always responded well with support or answers to you questions. I have not tried this release yet, since I just received the email, but based on past history and his expertise, I am confident it will work. I will say this however..... though the software provides back-up & recovery options, if you are nervous messing with such, keep it stock and don't bother with it.

@ddtran83,

The link you provided is just a modded vbios (.BIN or .ROM) download, correct? Svet's tuner provides many options, and allows the user to customize, and determine the degree of their vbios modification...... quick & easy, with a fair margin of safety.

To get an idea, watch this old demo (version 0.12c) video of Svet's Tuner:



Enjoy!

 

Not nervous about editing. Done it on older cards using nibitor.

what version of nvflash is needed to write the vbios. I tried this one (link is below) and it wont flash. it says newer version required. Thanks

Download NVFlash 5.128.0.1 | techPowerUp

 

Try this one.......

NVFlash 5.134.0.1 for Windows



EDIT: Just noticed the WIN version has the same file date, so now I am wondering if you had any luck at all. I ran into this before with a newly released GPU, and Svet sent me a working NVFlash version. I'll email him now, but I know he went to bed about an hour ago. We'll get it, so not to worry. Surely someone knows which version is working on the 780M.

KEN! HELLO! KEN!...... working NVFlash please! LOL!

 

if i buy the cheapest GT70 2OD model which only has a 750GB HDD

Does it still have the 3x mSATA COMBo in it ?

 

Windows one also doesn't work. Says no nvidia adaptor found.

The dos one finds the adaptor but wont write.

 

Yep, sorry..... read my edit above..... emailed Ken & Svet.

Hey He1p,

Choose a model with at least one mSATA SSD. This should insure you have the mSATA adapter (for 3x mSATA SSD's), but double-check with your reseller to make sure. I believe the cheapest model only has a single 1TB HDD.

 

Yeah I just got the email from Svet (nice work ) and will try it out later today.

 

I haven't personally tried the WIN version of NVFlash, but Svet just replied, and says the link I posted works fine with the 780M. I replied back asking if he had any ideas for you.



:hi2: EDIT: NEWS FLASH! This just in......... (derrrrrr, why didn't I think of this, LOL!) Thanks Svet!

 

Use this one, it will work with the 780m.

Latest NVFLASH for Windows & DOS

 

Maybe you guys can upload what your edited vbios profiles? A profile that you find stable. I know that all cards aren't created equally, but unless its something crazy extreme, I would say that its fair to say that most cards should be able to use the profiles. I wouldn't mind trying a slight OC vbios. Maybe we would get lucky and get a slight OC with a slight undervolt!

 

NICE! Thanks ddtran83! I looked for that briefly and got fed-up....... the version Svet suggested should work too, but it's great to have the latest. For future reference, I've added the link you provided to the 'Other Downloads' section of the thread's lead post.

 

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Guys PLEASE HELP ME, i bought an Msi Gt70 dragon edition recently . touch sensor panel worked fine but after few days i reset the pc to default settings . now touch panel sensor is not working . i cant turn on cooler boost or any touch sensor .

Do i need to install any driver or something for sensor ? Please reply me asap . Btw i'm using windows 8 which was installed in the laptop .

 

You need to sign up an account there and have five post then you can download.

 

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Hi again!
(sorry for the delay)

@Ken@GenTechPC,
The CDM benches I posted before show exactly each Plextor passing through the ''bad slot'' and the performance decrease in each case. At the end, I just changed the position of each SSD of the 2x Raid system between the 3 slots. The pic of my laptop back shows the only position where the 2x RAID system performs as it should. If one of the SSDs occupies the "bad slot" than performance goes down. Since you asked about the picture, can you actually see if the raid board is defective, just by looking at it? I don't see any visible scratch on any track or board in general.


@davepearson and WhatsThePoint,
The ASU benchmark is in "accordance" with CDM, although the final results vary between both. Both 2x Raid and 1x SSD in the "bad slot" show alignment 1024KB OK (Compression 100% (Incompressible)). WhatsThePoint, I ran benches in safe mode as well and they slightly improve over the same bench in default mode. Still does not explain the big difference. I was not expecting a big difference here since all the benches I made in default mode were under the same conditions: fresh windows and drivers install only (no antivirus, no nothing). Even if some software is running on the background, it runs equally on all benches.

davepearson, the small heatsinks attached to the gpu and cpu are part of the copper cooling upgrade service at XoticPC. According to Roland@XoticPC you can generally see a 2-5c lower temp because of it. I don't know how true is that, I just saw that and ICd and added them automatically. I do not have a stock reference cooling system to compare that, or just haven't looked into to it too much since I have been more worried about the SSDs.. and I dont have much time to spend on this.


@-=$tR|k3r=-,

HD Tune scores equivalently the same as the CDM tests I presented. I tested it before. But you were right in checking the SATA transfer rate on each port in IRST. So, what is happening is the following: every time I boot windows all ports (0,1 and 4 in my case, where port 0 corresponds to the "bad slot" depicted as the empty slot in my previous laptop pic) are as they should:


The problem is that, after booting, and while running for example a CDM bench, somehow the IRST automatically changes port 0, the "bad slot", to a transfer rate of 3Gb/s (SATA II) and then it stays there indefinitely, until I boot windows again... I say 'WHILE running for example a CDM bench' because this SATA transfer rate change can happen at different stages of the CDM bench (as an example):

LEFT: 3Gb/s transfer rate is set after the sequential read test and from then on it underperforms; MIDDLE: 3Gb/s transfer rate is set after the sequential write test and then it underperforms; RIGHT: 3Gb/s transfer rate is set right at the beginning, and all the read/write tests underperform as shown on my previous post (second row of CDM benches: RIGHT-CDM for the remaining SSD).


Note that, right after this first benchmark run, the IRST stays on 3Gb/s at port 0 and all the following benchmarks are equivalent to the ASU benchmark above, and hence the low performances in port 0 (the "bad slot"). Note that all tests were always made in Write back cache mode, windows High Performance settings and after running WEI. Changing the position of the SSDs on the 3 slots of board raid in a manner that now one of the SSDs of the 2x RAID system is on port 0 ("bad slot"), yields the same results. The only difference now is that, since windows is installed in the RAID system and this enters into full load to boot windows during booting, when the computer finishes booting (windows is ready to be used) the SATA transfer rate for port 0 is already on 3Gb/s, so the first benchmark tests already underperform (in this case the raid system always underperforms from the moment windows is ready to be used). So, apparently IRST is setting the SATA transfer rate of port 0 to 3GB/s (SATA II) when port 0 enters in full load (as occurs in the benchmark case). What do you think is causing this behaviour?


Finally, I tried the Sandisk X100's (always fresh clean windows install, drivers only, Write back cache mode, High Performance (power options) and after running WEI), and unexpectedly the same behaviour does not happen. For some reason, IRST is now keeping the SATA transfer rate of port 0 at 6GB/s at all times (2X RAID + single SSD, or 3x RAID) - there is no "bad slot". Results show:

LEFT: ASU bench for 2x sandisk RAID; MIDDLE and RIGHT: Equivalent CDM and ASU bench performance for 3x sandisk RAID (I found that CDM has a lot more variability in consecutive 5x tests than ASU - you were right WhatsThePoint, it is a much better bench! - I show both benches because there's a lot of variability between both and because -=$tR|k3r=- only showed his CDM bench for comparison).


Although IRST is showing 6Gb/s for all 3 ports in the Sandisk's case, it seems to me that performances are not quite there yet when compared to HD Tune bench by -=$tR|k3r=- at post #700, missing about 400Mb/s CDM (or 200Mb/s ASU) which I cannot get just by optimizing the SSDs...

So, why do you guys think with the Plextors, IRST changes the SATA transfer rate of port 0 to 3GB/s (SATA II) and keeps the expected 6Gb/s with the Sandisk X100's?? If the Sandisk X100's are all on SATA 3 ports, how are they not performing as -=$tR|k3r=- showed? Defective Raid board is still a possibility?
Also, can anyone with a SuperRaid 2 system (3 Sandisks) please perform and post a ASU benchmark for comparison?


Many thanks for your help and time!

 

Okay so I've had my new machine for about a week and a half now, the only really annoying issue I've had is the clicking of the spacebar near the right hand side when I am typing. It doesn't happen all the time but I've really noticed it lately. If all the keys did it I wouldn't be so concerned but since it is, I'm a little worried about it. I'd rather not have any issues (I'm a perfectionist when it comes to my machines) Has anyone else noticed this sound when typing? My wife thinks I'm just going crazy but really that's just par for the course. I did have an issue related to the touchpad not working in games if you had more than 1 key pressed, but that's related to the driver by synaptics (uninstalled the software as requested by MSI, rebooted, tested works, install driver again, quits working).

After you get these new machines do most "power gamers" reformat and install everything from scratch? I use to always do that just to make sure nothing I didn't want installed was there, but now that seems like more of a pain..

I do like the speed of the machine I have, programs to open up quite nicely but after logging into windows it does take it's sweet time, I've disabled most things that aren't needed, but it still takes a bit for it to get going. Afterwards it does seem quite happy.

I've not tried the new drivers for Nvidia yet, but I do look forward to seeing what else they can pump out from this 780m!!

 

So I started to have a BSoD issue pop up with the error DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION. I've read that it might be my SSDs in RAID causing it. I read drivers could cause the issue but I'm a bit scared to touch BIOs based updates. I'm Worried I'll mess up the RAID config. I'm also worried because I've had my machine for less than a month and I'm running into problems.
Symptom wise I've noticed it occurs with games mostly (This occurs when the game is installed on either the SSD or the HDD, but steam is installed on the SSD) and the game just spazzes out and locks up with a ticking sounds coming out of my speakers.
Any advice on the matter would be helpful
thanks.

 

Try doing a full system restore from the recovery partition or updating ssd firmware.

 

same thing happened to me yesterday. I rebooted few times and it still didn't work. Turned laptop on today and it started working again??? .

 

Looks like you really have a bad mSATA board. No you can't tell if one of the slot is bad or not, you can only tell by running benchmarks with each slot.

I've seen the clicking of the keyboard issue, since it's brand new maybe give it sometime to "break-in" see if the sound goes away, if not then you can request replacement of the keyboard with MSI or your reseller.

Not sure which GT70 you got but even with factory OS pre-installed it's still pretty fast to boot to Windows desktop.

There are too many factors causing the DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION issue. first you can try to update the firmware of your SSD.

 

Make sure your wireless drivers are the newest from killergaming.com

Download the newest driver for your device.

Remove the old driver in Control Panel>Programs and Features>reboot>install the new driver.
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If you have a printer connected to the notebook through a USB hub remove the printer cable from the hub and insert it directly into a USB port.
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Windows 8 by default doesn't have the Advanced Boot Menu on a bootup pressing of the F8 key.To enable F8 Advanced Boot Menu do this.

While in Windows 8 run the Adninistrator Command Prompt and enter the command

BCDEDIT /SET {DEFAULT} BOOTMENUPOLICY LEGACY

Then press enter and exit.
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Reboot the notebook while pressing F8 to enter the Advanced Boot Menu.

Choose Safe Mode

Once in Safe Mode open the Administrator Command Prompt

Run the command sfc /scannow

When it finishes run checkdisk

Type in the command CHKDSK C: /F /R then press enter

On the displayed confirmation message, type Y to allow the Windows to check the disk the next time when the computer restarts.

Close the command prompt window and restart the computer to start the disk checking process.

 

just done benchmarks on my super raid 2 and results are very poor. My benchmarks were good (1200mb/s +) when I first tested a couple of weeks ago). I don't think the trim function is working correctly on the raid (it does says it is enabled) because trimcheck fails. Manually triggered trim using ASU but it has made no difference. Here's screenshot of my results. Does anyone know how to fix this.

 

SSDs will slow as they start to fill a bit, have you got the right TRIM drivers from intel?

 

I have the stock rst raid drivers v12.5 that came pre-installed with the laptop. there are no newer ones on intel site.

 

@Doom4Ox,

I have no way of knowing if there was a procedural error when you set-up your Plextor SSD's (RAID driver, OS, Chipset, IRST, etc.), but from what I am reading, it appears you did everything correctly..... and I am inclined to agree with Ken on the mSATA board. Though it is odd your X100's now seem to work, it seems you sufficiently ruled-out a bad Plextor SSD, and the issue seems to point to a specific port. At this point I believe I would approach this in one of two ways. Either, 1.) elevate this to your reseller or RMA to MSI...... or 2.) start over again, from scratch, as though installing your Plextor SSD's for the first time. I suggest option #2 only if you have the patience, and want to rule-out the possibility of a persistent software glitch or installation error. As to Plextor installation procedure, perhaps your reseller will have some ideas. I realize the process is pretty straight forward, but perhaps something was overlooked. Where did you purchase your Plextor's? From your reseller, or an E-tailer like Newegg, Amazon, etc.? Anyhow, otherwise the only other option I see is having, is RMA to MSI for testing of your SATA ports and mainboard.

I wish I could be more helpful, but our systems seem the same, and I am not experiencing port or trim issues. If I did, right about now this would be my resellers problem, not mine. Good luck, and I hope you get this resolved soon.

Trimcheck work fine here, but I am hoping we do not have a pattern developing. Have you also checked to see if your ports are maintaining SATA III rates, or is one of them also dropping to SATA II?

 

Hello everyone,
I'm new here to the forums and a bit of a noob, I ordered my GT70 20D Dragon recently (huge upgrade from my last laptop that died recently, good old Dell XPS M1530 with an Intel T9500 and a GT8600m) and I'm expecting it in a few weeks. I was just wonder if the 780m update issue with the 320.49 driver were affecting those with barebones or all models of the GT70/60 with the 780m and if Nvidia have added correct ID's for our 780m's. From what I've read on Nvidia forums the driver itself has been causing a lot of problems in games and I'd just like to get a little feed back on the issue from you guys and your experiences. I know some of you got it working by editing the INF yourselves but I'd rather have Nvidia sort it out before installing it, unless they decide to take their merry time then I might just have to edit it as well

 

The issue affects all models and won't officially be be fixed till the next round of drivers come out at the earliest.

 

WOW BonbonGaming, HUGE upgrade, INDEED! You'll like, and CONGRATz!

NVidia driver? Meh, patient folks are simply awaiting the next release, which isn't that far off..... not to worry.

 

I've got the gt70 2od-064us. I'm quite pleased with the way it boots, and the programs I have installed so far are quite fast compared to my 4 year old laptop, I'm just now getting the rest of my programs installed and running on this puppy. I did notice a bit of a second hang with Guild Wars 2 sometimes when I turn my character or do something on screen, but it's far and few inbetween and I'm quite happy with the system.

I will let the keyboard issue not persuade me to do a return just for the keyboard that seems silly when everything else seems to be rock solid. I wanted to get a model with SSD but felt I couldn't justify the price. I figured I can always get an SSD and upgrade the hard drive later if needed.

This board has helped me with all my issues so I thank you all for your input. I posted in the base MSI about the touchpad issue I was having, I think MSI is going to look into it, but it seems if you are using the synaptic drivers, when you go to press more than two keys in a game, it won't register you are moving the trackpad. While this isn't that big of a deal because we are mainly going to be using an external mouse when gaming, I found that quite odd it would do that.

When no drivers was installed, just the basic windows driver, it didn't have any issues even when I had all four movement keys held down.

hope that helps someone out at least.

 

You are benchmarking your raid0 array while it's the C: primary boot drive so scores will be lower than the benchmarks you see that are not the C: drive or are benchmarked empty drives.

As for trimcheck not working on the raid array try installing the "full version" of the Official WHQL Intel RST v12.6.0.1033.The factory W8 installation may only have the bare F6 version installed or the operating system included iaStorA storage driver.
intel drivers pour Raid/Sata/Ata/Ahci

Install the 12.6.0.1033 from the link and then run the benchmarks and trimcheck again.

Sometimes it takes a reboot after running trimcheck to get a positive reading. When it's run again after the reboot.a reboot with the Intel RST installed you should get a Trim is Working return.

 

I actually just figured out the solution to that problem! Go to "Mouse" in hardware and settings in the control panel, then click the device settings tab and click settings yet again. There should be a little menu that pops up, from that menu you will want to click the dropdown on the pointer tab, then click the cogwheel icon that pops up when you hover over PalmCheck and set the slider all the way to minimum, then you're set!

 

So I got this back in the sfc reports:
http://goo.gl/O4CWQ
http://goo.gl/XJ7oh

Also the CHKDSK command seems to not work once I reboot. at the MSI logo screen it says to press any key to skip the check which i do not press anything. However I don't see any checks performed as if it is skipping the check anyway.

also, will updating my drivers for the SSDs affect the RAID or anything in anyway? I've never had to do firmware from the BIOS before and I'm paranoid due to issues with other drivers I've installed.
Such as when/if I update to the latest Intel drivers for the Intel GPU it messes with my Nvidia GPU in various ways, including preventing PhyisX from working at all. (on the plus side it fixes the aspect ratio of the icons in the Intel menu)

 

Here's a few things you can do.

Optimize the SSDs
Run the Microsoft WEI
Then:
Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Optimize Drives
SSDs should be listed as Solid State Drives.

Right Click Lower Left Corner>File Explorer>right Click on Drive>Properties>Tools>Check

Control Panel>Action Center>Mainenance>Start Maintenance

Administrator Command Prompt run command
chkdsk/scan c:

Run admin cmd > chkdsk <drive letter>: /f /s from a different boot drive to check the W8 volume of the raid array.

 

Very weird today , 1 of the MSI reseller say :" year 2013 MSI notebook no include Turbo Drive Engine because Intel 4th Generation processor cannot be overclock, this 4th generation processor is design for power saving purpose "
this statement true ?

 

Thanks with the new drivers trimcheck now works. Crystal disk benchmarks still low???(800mb/seq read). HDtune seems ok at 1427mb/s max (see screenshot). what do you guys think.

 

Turbo drive engine overclocks the gpu but with turbo boost 2.0 its built into the gpu itself and automatic.

The cpu can be overclocked with xtu and its been 3 generations since msi directly supported overclocking it with tde.

 

Actually I see this oppositely, and the 2013 models are a vast improvement. Essentially, TDE (Turbo Drive Engine) was an MSI marketing feature, which provided little to no real benefit boosting performance. In the GT783 (580M), and GT70 0NE (680M) models, TDE was engaged by pressing the 'P1' button on the touch-bar, which launched MSI's own NVidia VGA OC tool. This with changes in power mgmt. only effected a mild performance boost at best. Let's look at how TDE was marketed in these models:



Now what performance improvement does TDE really brings to the table, in a ' stock' system? For the sake of example, I'll use 3DMark Vantage testing the GT70 0NE (680M)..... first without TDE, then with 'P1' TDE engaged.

Without 'P1' TDE

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With 'P1' TDE



As you can see, TDE is of little significance, and users obtain far better performance results with other tools. I will say TDE provided better gains with the GT783 (580M), but not really worthwhile.

Now for 2013, MSI has replaced TDE with it's newly marketed 'NOS'..... which now utilizes the latest-gen hardware's advanced power mgmt. features.



Again, I still see this somewhat as marketing fluff, but let's look at the difference this makes in Vantage. Instead of a 'P1' button on the touch-bar, we now have the 'G' button. If you press this, it brings up the SCM (System Control Manager) screen. In the 'ECO' mode column, by default this will be set to 'ECO Off'. Let now see what Vantage scores on a 'stock' system with this setting:



Now if we go back to the SCM, and select ECO mode to 'Game', how does this affect the Vantage score? Let's now look at this:



As you can see, a much greater degree or margin of performance improvement with NOS vs. TDE. Here is the 4900MQ processor (same notebook) with SCM also set to 'Game' mode, and I am still using the factory NVidia 311.48 driver:

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Anyhow, I think you get the idea....... personally I'll settle for the current tech any day, and TDE is now a non-issue for me.

Enjoy!

 

I did some random testing last night with and with Hybrid mode running in the background . Vantage was about 800 points more with Hybrid running and Crysis 1 benchmark was 1.5 frames more. I ran these tests 3 times with it on and off to be 100% certain of the effect . Certainly nothing to get excited over but worth noting i suppose. I checked my battery after an hour of playing some Crysis 3 in Hybrid mode and it was eating away at my battery life plus the Hybrid app shows its working with the yellow bar filling up the application window.

I had never tried Hybrid mode since getting my machine and yes i have the Barebone version of this machine but i think functionally they are the same from what i can tell now as i have tested all the little gadgets that come on the retail model.

Another interesting thing i have found with this notebook is i must be in high performance/Game mode to take advantage of the GPU/CPU to its max. On all my older machines i could run balanced mode 24/7 and have the exact same results in all benchmarks as High Performance mode but this one requires it.

Reason i love running balanced mode and i learned this along time ago is the CPU will spin down to 800ish mhz while idling and then spin up full tilt when needed. Power on demand so to speak. This one though demands i keep it in High performance and keeps the CPU running at 3200mhz all the time regardless which is just extra wear on the PSU and or machine in general.

The ECO mode of the pictures you showed Striker are exactly that because ECO mode is Balanced power profile and Game Mode is High performace and why there is such a big difference and something that was not required in the past to achieve full performance from the machine.

 

WhatsThePoint , why are you not using the latest ones from that link? 12.6.3.1001 WHQL?

Also, why does intel only has v12.5.0.1066 as the latest one, when that website is already providing beta v12.7.0.1018?


Many thanks!

 

Yes, and this is why I alluded to 'Marketing Fluff', suggesting far better tools for the job. I do feel however, for 2013 MSI has made good use of the current tech's power mgmt. features, and as such I am not seeing the throttling seen in the GT70 0NE.

 

Ordered a 4900MQ this morning... should arrive sometime early next week.

Moar powah for da beastie!

I've always found that my desktop PC runs better in performance mode compared to balanced.
Based on this, I make it a point to enable and configure performance mode on any of my PC's after getting the initial OS setup complete.

The only time I enable balanced mode, is on my laptop(s) when I want to save a little on battery drain.

 

Nice! Where did you order it from? OEM? I purchased mine from Provantage. Was the best price I found anywhere @ $551. I have kept my 4700MQ for now in case I ever need a warranty service. Maybe I will call MSI up and ask what their stance would be on a user upgraded CPU and warranty status.

Edit:

Called tech support and was told that changing CPU would NOT void warranty, unless you actually damage something. But gave me a mixed answer on when you send it back for warranty service they wouldn't cover the upgraded cpu, and would test if it were defective. Then said that you would actually need to place the original cpu in the system before sending it back. I think I'll just hang onto mine. The small recovery from selling it wouldn't be worth the hassle if I needed it.

Always best to get this stuff in writing or calling on your own, but I do trust that they're not lying to me.

 

Woohoo - I am the proud purchaser of a MSI GT70 2OD-064US from Gentech.. and now the wait begins

Went with the 4900MQ CPU, IC Diamond, 16GB 1600 RAM, I went for the 750GB 7200RPM drive but will make that secondary and order a 840 Pro 256 or 512 through work. Also went with the AC wireless.

 

My GT70 2OD is now ordered through Gentech and now I wait. I'm so excited .

Took me a while to decide between the gt60 and gt70 but I really wanted that larger screen. Summer break is gonna be sweet .

 

Intel® Matrix Storage Technology

There's a lot of performance difference in all RST versions.

Though testing of just about every alpha,beta,WHQL and Official Intel RST version I have found the recommended one to be stable and produce the best results.

I recommend testing all versions to find the best results in your system on your hardware.

I tested v12.6.0.1033 on 2 x 256GB OCZ Vector SSDs in raid0 array and not on mSATA

I'll test on mSATA SSDs as soon as I make a decision on which ones to purchase.

I'm leaning toward this one but waiting to learn about the yet to be available Intel 530 series.

 

So, which notebook are you going to put those mSATA SSD's in?

 

hi, my new laptop will coming next monday ...
I like to add Plextor SSD mSATA 128GB into my new laptop and create RAID 2 since this laptop only come with 64GB x 2 mSATA SSD ...
If different capacity and brand of SSD mSATA ,can RAID 2 work ?