Cool. So, you got max 83 Degrees on Gpu and 87 Degrees on Cpu at 3.9 in battle1. How much was rpm fan ?
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Usually I get 80-82 Degrees on the CPU and 78-81 on the GPU when playing BF1. However, my temperatures are somewhat higher due to the ambient room temperature being between 27 and 31 degrees degrees Celsius. It is quite hot here in Australia at the moment
.... Both fans were hovering between 2900-3200 RPM on both the CPU and GPU. I have a custom fan curve configured in MSI Dragon Center.
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I have not unlocked the TDP limitations. I will check how long I am able to sustain the higher TDP for you when I am on next.
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So I have done some further testing. The 45w TDP limitation was imposed after approximately 60 seconds when running the Prime95 "Blended" torture test as per readings in Throttlestop. P1 and P2 limits appear to be working as intended.
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Does anyone know if it is possible to under-volt the CPU in the BIOS by means of the combination key unlock? Do you require an unlocked BIOS (i.e. one from Svet) to modify the voltage offset.
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Might as well set Core IA AC and Core IA DC loadline to 1 in CPU VR settings also, then decide afterwards if you need to undervolt as you may have stability problems if you combine both together.
(note: default value for IA AC and IA DC loadline for Core IA Domain is 180, which is auto, or zero. (theoretically it's supposed to be 210 but who knows what MSI is thinking). Lower values cause load voltage to be amplified less. Under NO circumstances will you EVER exceed 180. 1 and 1 for both values gives lowest load voltage amplification at load (very important when using manual voltage overrides).Pureownuge69 likes this. -
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I have found the negative offset value but am concerned with changing it. To reiterate, my BIOS is the latest revision of the stock MSI BIOS. I am able to gain access to the advanced configuration options by using a key combination. Is using this key combination equivalent to flashing an unlocked BIOS though? Is there potential to brick my machine by changing the voltage offset in a stock BIOS (unlocked only via a key combination)?
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For best results is doing the bios change and not use intel XTU etc.
As Falkentyne suggested, it is better to put the loadline settings to 1 (or 5 perhaps for extra stability?) and don't undervolt at all. If you are going to do this, first remove any undervolt you currently have, and stop using intel XTU or throttlestop (specially if you have it to auto launch at startup) to avoid crashes.Dannemand, Papusan, Pureownuge69 and 1 other person like this. -
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You guys are OC pros.ryzeki and Pureownuge69 like this. -
I hate to ask, but seeing as I do not spend a great deal of time in my BIOS, could someone please list the steps to change the core voltage offset when in the Overclocking Menu. Am fearful of changing something incorrectly. Will +rep for the assistance.
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Quick and probably, dumb, question but just want to make sure. My unit shipped with a BIOS undervolt of -50mvh from HIDEvolution....if lets say I want to push that a little more with Throttlestop, i know i have to take that core BIOS undervolt into consideration. So i want to try a -100mvh undervolt so I would only undervolt an additional -50mvh in Throttlestop/XTU because the BIOS is already providing a -50mvh.
Basically BIOS Undervolt of -50 and then the Throttlestop/XTU Undervolt -50 = -100mvh total undervolt correct? This is my first laptop with a BIOS undervolt so want to make sure....
Getting great temps already with -50 Undervolt and LM repaste from them (see previous posts) but wouldn't mind pushing it a little further if I can. Figured if i can get it stable with -50mvh undervolts with BIOS and Throttlestop/XTU, and it doesn't crash or blue screen out or anything, i will them use the Bios unlock code and go in and change it to a -100mvh undervolt in the BIOS after testing.
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As per my last post, can anyone please provide an explanation as to how one can undervolt in an unlocked MSI BIOS. Steps would be much appreciated, in addition to noting what parameters must be configured. Thanks
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Never-mind, under-volting in the BIOS was relatively simple. Just had to refresh on BIOS specific terminology and acronyms to be sure I was adjusting the appropriate parameters.
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. If you don't mind me asking, what applications or processes are used by HID to evaluate and determine whether an undervolt is stable?
@captaincranium Apologies for not getting back to you on how to undervolt in the BIOS. I will post some steps for you tomorrow night when I return home.
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Mine is also stable at -125mV everyday. Had it at -150mV but turned it down a notch just for ease of mind.
But I might follow Donald's advice and lower the undervolt even more, closer to the -75 or -50mV. I have the modded bottom cover and good paste so temps are well under check and I always worry on how undervolts fare in the long run. They theoretically put more of a strain in some electrical parts, requiring them to filter voltage to lower amounts. It can't all be roses I'm sure. -
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Here is what we do for Q.C. testing:
Stress testing and Benchmarks:
Firestrike/Time Spy
PassMark/Performance test
AIDA64 Extreme
HDtunepro (for SSDs/HDDs)
Memtest86
Testmem5
Monitoring software:
HWiNFO64
GPU-Z
MSI Afterburner + Rivatuner Statistics Server
We also do at least 30mins-1hr of intense online gaming at Ultra settings with high end games for those with a heavy build and mods.
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And thank you too @Donald@HIDevolutionPureownuge69 likes this. -
Please ensure that any other voltage offset modifications you have made via the OS are reset to default (i.e. in Throttlestop OR Intel XTU). If you do not reset such configurations, you are effectively compounding a BIOS level configuration with an OS level configuration (undervolting and then undervolting further again). This may result in a system that will refuse to boot (into windows at least).
Once you have unlocked the BIOS with your magic combination:
- Navigate to Advance (tab) > OverClocking Performance Menu and enable "OverClocking Feature"
- Once the "OverClcoking Feature" parameter is enabled, you will be presented with new sub-menus. Navigate to, and select the now available "Processor" option.
- Whilst in the "Processor" sub menu, configure the "Offset Prefix" parameter beneath the "Core Voltage Offset" parameter to "-" (negative). Inversely, should you like to add voltage, you would simply set the value of the "Offset Prefix" to "+".
- Once you set the value of the "Offset Prefix", adjust the "Core Voltage Offset" parameter to the desired value. For example, if you enter "100" (and the offset prefix is "-"), this will equate to -100mv on the Core
- Be sure to save your configuration changes before exiting the BIOS and rebooting.
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Shout-out to GenTechPC for posting their video review and disassembly of the new MSI GT63 8SX (RTX2080).
Sadly, as can be seen in the screenshot below, there is very little chance of successfully upgrading from the GTX 1080 in the GT63 8RG to the RTX 2080On first glance, it appears the following have changed:
- Motherboard layout
- Heat sink mounting points
- GPU dimensions
- GPU placement (relative to the motherboard)
- GPU PCB layout
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Also thank you @Donald@HIDevolution for the follow up on my system as well. I might just leave it at the -50mv then since it sounds like you put it through the ringer. Kinda bummed that is the lowest it could possible go but what can ya do?Pureownuge69 likes this. -
Hey guys just got a GT63 Titan 2080 from @GenTechPC highly recommend them! Anyways, hitting 86c on a timespy loop and indicating thermal throttling. This is the opted w/ liquid metal variant. . This normal for these models?
One thing I noticed is the thermals go down very very slowly when there is no load anymore at max fans. I've had Sager's, modded M15x's, and a few predators back in the day and never seen it act like this.Last edited: Mar 5, 2019 -
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A stock GT63 8RG (GTX 1080) would typically be in the high 80s and low 90s under sustained load and never thermal throttle (auto fan). GPU Boost would slowly diminish though. Different (and in my opinion better) heatsink though.
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Can you share some benchmarks of your machine so we can compare with the GTX1080 machines like mine?
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Using the overlay and checked off temp limit along with gpu-z running in the background. As long as its normal then I am okay with it. However it seems like those fans are choked under the laptop as they have to funnel in air through the center cut out. I wonder if the is a special punchout tool where I can add some breathing room with some mesh on the bottom cover. -
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Many thanks!
10% to 15% more than the GTX1080 variants is not a big jump.
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Yeah the RTX series has been real bummer.
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With CoolerBoost enabled, and UV on the CPU, I get 80 / 82 on the GPU (GTX 1080) and 84 / 85 on the CPU on a long stress session.
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For some reason the most recent nvidia drivers aren't working so I edited the INF file in case anyone needs it on the 2080 variant. Luckily I knew how back from the m15x days with the 980m lol
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Anyone know if there are vbios mods available yet for the 2080? Premamod?
Even though the boost says up to 1590 this thing is boosting up to 2100 and hovers at about 1945 to 2070Mhz while gaming. Looking to see if I can do a vbios undervolt to help with temps.
+85core +1000memory
initial clocks
https://imgur.com/Bsru2Ij
sustained +2000Mhz core at 80c
https://imgur.com/a/75c8PsH
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Ordered an old GT-62vr bottom cover and did the hole cut out under the gpu/cpu fans. Added copper shims over the cpu/gpu base and along the heatpipes. Cpu/gpu stay in the sub 70's while doing heavy gaming at 100% fan speed.. Very happy with the outcome and gained a lot of insight over at the Eurocom Tornado f5 threads! Have pics if anyone is curious to see the mods. Idling with stock fan curve GPU stays at about 28-31c cpu is at about 33-37c.
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@Specv89 yeah if you could post the pics/procedures that would be great! I was thinking about doing at least the two hole cut. Has anyone confirmed if that procedure has any ill effect on any other party of the layout?
@Donald@HIDevolution , do you sell just that mod (two panel hole cutout on the bottom with mesh) for the GT63VR?
Also for the life of me, and I can't figure out why or WHAT i am doing wrong, but I can't get my profile to use a signature of any kind on this forum. I have my HID Evolution member tag and everything to post my specs and "team" affiliation, but its not working. I can't believe i am even asking for help on something so "noobish"....but alas.....here I am.... -
Here's some pics and and a quick video I made of thermals while playing Anthem. Figured it would be a good combination of gpu/cpu usage since the game isn’t really well optimized.
https://imgur.com/a/mu7Vie6
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Call me and I will help walk you through the signature building process.captaincranium likes this. -
Update: Added the MSI GT-62 Fan for the GPU. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077ZNG23K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Both of the original fans maxed out at around 3750rpm this one maxes out at about for 4900rpm. Replaced it for the GPU for even more optimal cooling. At full speed GPU stays in the high 60's low 70's now.
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Was it a Aavid Thermalloy PABD19735BM -N322?
Was contemplating making this change myself, but my concern is that the earlier revision of the fan used in the GT62VR was prone to failure. The fan is not my concern, but rather its potential to damage the motherboard.
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Will try and get some pics up sometime today. From what I see, they had the same part numbers "PABD19735BM-N395 and yes it was an AAVID Thermally only difference was the barcode on the backside.
Was plug and play for me. From the forums over at the Eurocom Tornado f5 threads the
LRHKF Asus ROG G750JH G750JH-DB71 series AB08812HX26DB00(00G750) 4pins was also recommended but depending and what variant you get may require rewire and slight modification to make it fit. Same connector though just shuffling around the wires.
As far as noise, yes, it is considerably louder but you can max it out to match the other fan so its about the same at about 70%ish but at least its good know you have a little headroom for extra cooling.Pureownuge69 likes this. -
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Hi!
I apologize if this is the wrong forum to ask, so please delete my post if inappropriate.
I'm strongly considering getting a GT63, and the only thing holding me back is I hear some people complain about dodgy build quality on some MSI-laptops, especially the screen hinges. I'm used to my old ASUS ROG (which is a solid 9,5 pounds, built like a tank and has lasted for 5 years with no problems), and the Titan-series looks really solid on pictures as well. But I have to buy it online (Norway), so I'm not going to be able to try before I buy, so therefore I'm I hope some of you GT63 owners can offer some useful feedback on build quality. Thanks! -
I must say that it strange to hear that MSI is being referenced for poor build quality in any scenario. With the obvious exception of manufacturing defects, I have never heard any complaints. That said, if you go searching for negative feedback, you will certainly find it.
But do keep in mind that a majority of those that purchase MSI laptops and have a positive experience, will go about their lives without posting anything.
After owning my GT63 for a little over a year, I am very happy with the build quality. And it is largely superior to my previous Clevo in every way. The hinges are just as firm as the day the laptop arrived on my doorstep.
Obviously if you take care of it, it will last you for many years to come. If you expect to throw it in a backpack, smash it into walls, drop it on the floor and then complain about build quality, you deserve the outcome.
Just my thoughts though. All commentary is obviously relative to experience, and mine has certainly been a positive one. If you do buy it, you won't be disappointed
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the plastic on the lid creaks when opened and closed. Also, the fans in these laptops are not of the best quality. They make a strange sound and often fail, just stop working. Therefore, many users install here fans from Asus. In addition, the heat sinks may be uneven, which causes overheating and throttling of the processor. These are the main flaws that I found in my GT62. -
Addition from other users of gt62
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283511.0
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